prodigal bari
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Rank and Rate is a great excuse for BOA judges that are doing regional's because they have never seen most of the groups that are performing. THESE ARE DCI JUDGES. They have been watching the corps all summer long and most have had the chance to make several viewings of each corps by now. If anything .. they should be ranking and rating against that corps prior performances AS IT RELATES TO THE BOX CRITERIA.
Besides another fact that the DCI judges can use the FAN NETWORK to study the shows and become familiar enough with them to know what to look for in the live performance...
...which leads to another question...Is this being done by the adjudication community and what value is it (either good or bad) as well as the professional ethics of said practice?
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Personally, I too think it is extremely disrespectful to the 2008 corps that is on the field right now. To me it seems as if the "higher ups" of the Cadets have given up on this season and wish to start looking past it. It isn't the corps fault that the 2008 show they have is on the field. I think they have done the best they can with what they were given. Tsk, tsk.......... Back up what you put on the field this year, if you had the nerve to put it out there, you better have the nerve to back it up, then you can talk about what you plan to put out there next year.
I disagree...every corps is doing '09 recruitment right now; in some fashion. Those who do not will find themselves in a deep hole come May...and there is no better recruitment tool for '09 than a '08 live performance!
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Official update from the Blue Devils
UPDATE Friday August 1, 2008
On Friday Joe sat up in a chair and was breathing on his own. He was able to have conversations with the doctors and family. He can use his arms and legs and was eating Jello and drinking water on his own. This is miraculous news and we are all thrilled.
THANK YOU so much for the outpouring of thoughts, prayers and emails. We truly believe it is with the grace of God and the prayers that have helped Joe recover at this amazing rate. The Blue Devils, Joe and his family are so blessed to have the drum corps family behind all of us at this critical time.
There is still a 48 to 72 hour critical time that Joe will have to be watched very carefully. Joe will be in the hospital for a extended period. Please continue sending thoughts and prayers. The Blue Devils delivered to Joe over 200 emails that came in during a 12 hour period that made for a very uplifting and emotional reading experience.
Thank You!!!!
THANK GOD.
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I second this motion...although I wonder whether ESPN may have tied DCI's hands on this (since the cancellation of the Final contract..)
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Put it this way. When I saw it, I literally #### my pants with glee.
Did you hear the crowd, though? I bet it was hazardous walking the rest of the night...
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This is starting to rival 1980...
AND...you can actually tell the stylistic difference between the corps again! Almost all the corps are unique in some major way...and I have not seen that since the 80's!
This next week may be epic in the history of this activity...
(and this is coming from an old phart...
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WOO HOO !!!!
I AM SPART *Explodes*
... woops, I think I may have just been murder #5 from pure over stimulation.
Actually, that may have been the 'la petite morte'!!!!!
(At least that is what I had...
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I don't think anyone mentioned it yet, but the on field narration next year will also be in Latin.
Maybe they will throw down with some Gregorian Chant....
($1 from George Hopkins...
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I am all about properly stretching and feeding members of any corps. But, to say that we should lower the difficulty level of the drill because people might get hurt is a bit " absurd."
Look at any football team, tell me a season where someone at least doesn't break there arm? Or get carted off in an EMS truck.
This is a risk, to march on a field with instruments , flags, rifles, at a high pace all summer. It is a voluntary activity that we all took. You can leave at any time. Why would you SUE an organization for your voluntary action? Sounds really silly guys...
It is silly, I agree. The problem is; not everyone...and especially some trial lawyers, will agree...and there will be someone who will try at some point in time to 'recover damages' from this voluntary activity. (Especially since the participants pay fairly high fees to participate.)
Therefore, the corps should...and IMO have to, protect both the participants AND the organization; with both information, training, on-hand trainers and medical care, and legal protections from frivilous and/or malicious lawsuits. Even then, injuries will occur...especially with the extreme physical demands today's visual programs require.
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And you did not even post any nekkid pics!!!!
Good luck in the ivory tower, Tsar
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I'm sorry but enough with the whinning about Troopers...every year it is another corps fans complaining about this or that.
So I guess it is not whining when YOU complain about PC's placement????
You just got caught.
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Combined total was in performance order, but if you look at individual captions over the course of the entire prelims, placement was all over the place, so I can't but into the implied "slotting" conspiracy of that statement. Looking over the recap I can for once say that I can see justifications in most of the numbers. In fact I might have had the spread between Troopers and Pacific Crest closer in visual ensemble, especially in the excellence subcaption, but with Troopers still up.
Also as a side note, anyone who is talking about sending a message to DCI (I would think something directed at John Philips rather than the DCI office would get better recognition if not any actual help) would also make sure they communicate directly with the caption heads at the Troopers and make sure that they too have taken the correct measures to flag potential judging inconsistencies.
I had an op to talk to some of them. They are; believe me.
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Actually, they caught them blood-doping.
Just a bad TourdeFrance joke...
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No, of course I meant next summer. This has been a multi-year issue for Troop and it has to be solved if you want to move higher. 12? guard isn't going to make semis.
Don't shoot the messenger, who may be more neutral than you. Make an effort to evaluate the message on its merits. You have the visual design elements now, but you need guard numbers + quality = moving up.
I had a chance to talk with people connected with the corps this week; and I brought this up.
Here is what I found out:
The guard problem was addressed with a change of instuctors in April...there had been no recruiting...NONE...by the previous guard staff; and the new staff had to literally miracle up all the members it now has from April on. They had an almost impossible task; and they did as well as could possibly be hoped for. The quality is there; it was just tough to start from scratch in April to build a large guard from scratch. They are planning to change recruitment to an aggressive all-year style similar to what has created the results in the horns and percussion. This will fix this problem, once and for all.
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With this being the last time before Finals that all WC corps meet at the same time this is a critical positioning event...not only for the top corps; but the 8-12-17 groupings. I do not recall scores being this close...particularly in the semi-to-12th pack.
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I agree, a Drum and Bugle Corps show would not be as entertaining to go see if they just stood in horn arc and played through their show. One reason the visual scores have such a discrepancy is because that's actually the difference between the corps visual performance. This is probably one of the best years for brass lines I've ever heard in DCI, but in terms of visual packages, I feel it's kind of lacking. i haven't seen the Devils live, but I feel Cavalier's and Cadet's visual design and performance is a bit down from recent years. If you ask me, once you get past BD, Cavaliers, and Cadets, there's a significant drop off in performance and design of visual, not so much in Brass. Hence the spread in Visual. in short, a Drum and Bugle Corps show is not just about the music; music and visual should probably be as equal as possible. It's time for corps to step up to the plate in terms of visual performance and design.
I disagree to a point....these three corps you mention have at times sacrificed music for visual; and I think that is a problem with the activity. When the emphasis is on visual, you lose a lot of the emotion and impact that can be created with the hornline/percussion ensembles (for there are human limits as to what can be done on the move). I do agree that there are a lot of visual packages lacking; but I also think that visual has been overempahsized due to the fact that there are Visual and GE judges in DC that have NO musical experience. I see this as a conumdrum in the activity; for without that background the judges cannot evaluate the appropriateness or difficulty of a horn/battery move from their own experience. (In turn; a brass specialist cannot fully judge a guard unless they also have experience in equipment as well.)
Right now, I honestly think (as opposed to I believe..
) that way, way too much emphasis is given on visual in the jusging ranks; and it takes away from the musical packages from a lot of these groups. After all; isn't it ironic that two of the most storied hornlines (BD and Cadets) are making hay off of VISUAL????...at the expense of horns? -
The scores are either going to compress or spread....and I will predict compression; since it is hard to jutify dropping scores without reason. (After all, these judges are fully aware of score histories...)
And with compression, comes the increased potential for upsets....
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I've been to every Murfreesboro show since it went to the top 8 format, and I've loved it every year. It may not be relevant, but it's not supposed to be, is it? It's fun (for fans and, from what I've heard, performers too), it's sort of on the way to Atlanta, and it's big show in a part of the country that doesn't get too many big shows.
Sadly, I won't be able to make it tomorrow, but anyone who does needs to stop at the Slick Pig BBQ for chicken wings and banana pudding. It won't disappoint. And if you're in town early, be sure to check out the Stones River Battlefield for a chilling lesson in American history.
Ohhhhh, the Slick Pig...it is so good you will lick your fingers clean to the bone with the flavor! Try the smoked chicken wings; they are different and to die for. (If you are a chicken, that is...
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Whaddya mean? All those Auburn fans have to have SOMEPLACE to sit!
Actually, I was referring to the humbling ULA gave Alabama recently. That Tide really ran Crimson that day.
(Of course, how can I cry about THAT as being from TN....)
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I don't know why they built it that BIG....their football progam just doesn't substantiate building a stadium that size. Oh well...for those fans sitting at the top, that is one heck of a view of the drill! And maybe, that will be the first location that the pits don't seem over-amped
Don't tell Alabama that.....
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Big show tonight in Monroe LA. The big question of course is what will happen when Crown and Phantom go head to head again.
My question is- who will be able to reach the pressbox? Those are some of the tallest stands I've ever SEEN!
GOOD GRIEF!!!! What is the capacity of that stadium...with the short visitors stands (and Monroe playing D1 football and requiring 30,000+ for NCAA) it could approach Finals seating capacity...
That might be the best DC stadium I have ever seen.
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INT is playing SO high right now that you can't even hear them. But you can hear a lot of dogs barking nearby....
While they are doing this, their camoflouge uniforms make them blend right into the field. Total invisibility in every sense of the word. I think they could take BD if they keep this up!
They play and move sooo well...it's inhuman. I just can't see it.
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Funny. I seem to remember sitting on the backside in Dallas, TX to watch the show every year I was a marching member and a staff member up to an including 2007. Didn't seem to be any room on the front side there.
Same goes for Stillwater, MN. As I recall, they still sell a good number of paying fan seats at that show on the back sideline.
Cedarburg, WI routinely sells out the back side.
All you "Drum corss is teh suxors cuz ofe teh muzicks" people really get irritating. DCI attendence is astronomically greater than 10 years ago when corps played so-called "recognizable music".
Actually, it was 25 or so years ago...and the back sidelines that are being mentioned here are for the major shows at the large NFL/college stadiums; not the smaller stadiums.
And yes, the attendance was a LOT larger back then (as I personally witnessed at Legion Field, Montreal, Grant Field, and Madison in the 80's.) However, fuel prices are a mitigating factor this year.
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I feel the same way you do. As much as I have loved Crown's show this year and the past few years, the one thing that bothers me is that someone made a comment about "everyone else being carbon copies of each other" but at the same time, Crown is borrowing drill moves from other corps. I mean it's not really a big deal, but it just proves my point that there is a huge double standard on this forum.
Come on now everyone....I see no carbon-copying of a show here...and if you use as a standard that you cannot borrow drill moves; then that cuts out every block, line, arc, and scatter drill in existence (no matter differences in context); for that matter, you could not use HUMANS to march.
Imagine how difficult it would be for a duck to buzz a mouthpiece....
(Besides, tha context of the 'carbon copy' comes from the trend about a decade or so ago of all corps looking and sounding a lot alike in order to be competitive. Relax, have a beer....or whatever Tom Brace used to prescribe...
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Judges and the Fan Network
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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I brought this up in another topic; and especially with the success of the Fan Network and with both its accessibility and the adjudicational communities' need to learn about the shows they are asked to judges on a nightly basis I am wondering:
(a run-on sentence break here...)
Is the FN a legitimate tool for a judge's need to know about the shows they are about to adjudicate? (As an expansion of the post-show critique and the long-standing practice of staff/adjudicator communication and education on the various products on the field)
Is it being used by judges as such (or is it ethical or even recommended/frowned upon) to better guide each adjudicator's attempt to accurately rank each performance.....OR can it skew the results?