Jay B
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It was always a little weird seeing the Madison Scouts in that West Point uniform. Thankfully didn't last.
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So how long does the family have copyrights? Isn't there a limit like patents?
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For those too young to remember, once upon a time, football broadcasts used to show the halftime show instead of just commentary. Hawthorne Caballeros must have been a frequent beneficiary of this practice when they played at Washington Redskins games like the one on 11/15/59 and others in the early 1960s. Archer-Epler played halftime at the 1960 NFL championship game, and though commentators talked over the first minute, they stopped and allowed viewers to enjoy half of Archie's show without interruption. There must have been others....
IIRC, it was the mid-late 1970s when halftime shows were pushed off the air in favor of game commentary.
I remember seeing that 59 Cab performance somewhere on the internet. The 70 Troopers did a halftime show for a nationally televised game on there way back home after the season was over. Don't remember the game though.
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Weren't the Guardsmen in a KFC commercial? 70's I think.
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Its probably been discussed, but why did the church get out of drum corps? Why was the corps "dumped"?
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Middle/late sixties I think given YMCA affiliation.
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As far as undefeated major division junior corps are concerned, that list is REALLY small. The 1961 Cavaliers were the last unbeaten prior to DCI being formed.
I did an article for Drum Corps World back in the 90s on the quest for the undefeated season, and you have to go back more than 55 years to find another unbeaten junior corps.
Sounds interesting. I'd like to read it.
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How about Larry McCormick? An alum and living.
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Thanks DP great pics. How could you not like a venue with that background? Well, if you were 200 yards from the action! Canadian football fields are wider than American as you can see the remnants of the front sidelines redrawn about 10 yards back. Would have made more sense to take it off the back sidelines. no? And of course the track adds another gap. I agree that this was an important show historically. This was a past (BD) and future (Cadets) year. Draw a line. Unfortunately!
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The 1971 American Legion Nationals were held in the Astrodome in Houston.
I was at both AL 71 at the Astrodome and 65 VFW at McComick Place, so it wasn't unique. Though, I wonder how many championships were held on something other than grass or artificial turf? McCormick had I believe either bare concrete or tile floors. Listen to the recordings and you can clearly hear the feet. One thing I don't remember is why there were 15 corps in finals instead of the usual 12 (since 1961). Was there something like a 1966 issue? Memory fails me.
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Great read. What a personality. Has he worked with anyone in DCI since 90? Probably considered too old school now. Too bad. Since the blog was done he did get into the HOF which I agree was long overdue. Along with Larrry McCormick, my favorite percussion arrangers of all time.
By the way what or where is Mars? Assume practice area but never heard of it till this thread.
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The word Blue, which is a holy color, in front of Devil makes it ok. Red Devils might be a problem.
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Google the name Rick Beckham ... you'll find a link to his Rudimental Drumming website, which has tons of historical information along with pics and audio and video clips of fine rudimental stuff ...
Andy
Thanks. Great site.
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I want to thank everybody for their contributions to this post. I asked a simple question and got a master class in the history of drum corps snare drumming, a subject that endlessly fascinates to me. I am especially thankful for those who provided the names of the great teachers, arrangers, and performers who were some of the founding fathers of this activity, and of whom I was not aware. It was also nice to learn something of Frank Arsenault's pedigree. It would be interesting to see kind of a family tree of who taught who. Some of the junior corps guys playing today could probably trace their chops back to J. Moore. What a gas!
Please lets not forget this stuff. Pass this history on!
Thanks.
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Jeff left
You beat me to it.
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Rick, thanks very much for the great history lesson. I marched in the Midwest in the 60's and I don't remember a corps not using a high attacking stroke, whether Connecticut or NY style. It was a mixed bag in terms of roll styles. The attitude was basically we don't care what you play as long as its clean. The Cavies used the Connecticut "flying elbows" style well into the 70's, and they were probably the last to use it. Early 70's Santa Clara was the first line that I saw that used a really low stick. I think the 70's also ushered in the wrist only technique; Oakland Crusaders and Spirit are two that come to mind. I think your statement about kevlar heads affecting technique makes sense. Ultimately you have to adapt to the equipment. There is a youtube video of the 1971 SCV where they are using pretty much a 60's snare tuning and playing style. I'm pretty sure they were playing Rogers Dynasonic snares. Check it out. I'm definitely going to pull my vinyl out and re-listen to your early 80's stuff. Regards.
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I was reading Building the Green Machine and there was a quote from Frank Arsenault where he references "Connecticut-style open drumming". Any old (or new) percussion guys out there know what this is? Is this the same as Swiss rudimental drumming?
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First show (marched in it) 1963 Wisconsin State American Legion Championship.
Last show 1989 Tulsa DCI show.
Retired now so will get back to going to shows. There are 2 or 3 in my area. Have kept in touch thru CD's, DVD,s, internet, etc.
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Yup....at Lakefront Stadium in Kenosha, sponsored by the Kenosha Kingsmen senior corps. Always the first midwest show in the 60s/early 70s, and a big one, too---Cavies, Vanguard, Kilties, etc.---and always colder than **** ("Lakefront" meant exactly that....cold winds off Lake Michigan!).
No kidding that show was always cold as &^%^$#. I could have made a fortune selling fiberglass mouth pieces. Though, it was a good opportunity to get a first look at the top corps from Wisconsin and Illinois. I posted these photos in the old pictures thread, all from the 66 parade/show. Kilties then Des Plaines in parade, and the last one is of the great 66 Cavie show. Lake Mich is just over the horizon. I thought it was funny that none of the Racine corps were at the 66 show. Someone at the show told me that there was an issue between the Mariners and the Badgerland Association. Something about the Mariners recruiting members from other corps. Don't know if true though.
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So theres a "NEW" dvd of 1973???? I had not heard of this but am anticipating it to the MAX! As a Kingsmen I know that 1973 was the year where there were little photos and almost NO film of that year aside from a snippet or 2 here and there! Speaking for the Kingsmen we would love nothing more than to see a full show of the 73 corps! I truly hope this exists!!!!
There is also no film of 76/77/78 of the Kingsmen and even though we did not place in the top 12 those years we would LOVE to see "ANYTHING" from those years!....man...one day this stuff will surface!!! I have faith!!! :):)
In 77, I sat next to a guy at DCI prelims in Boulder who was video taping shows for his own use. I don't know if it was legal, but he was going it. He had a pretty good sized camera on a tri-pod, so he wasn't going to hide from anyone. Anyway, when the Kingsmen came up he asked me if I had seen them and did I think he should record them. I said yes and he did. So, this tape may be out there somewhere.
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1. Cadets, any year.
2. Madison 62-65 (I wish someone would post a color picture of this uni)
3. Troopers late sixties the year(s) when they wore a sash under their belts. It was kind of a dress uniform look.
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What's up, Red. Big-azz battery you've got there.
No *&^%$#! You could play a scale on the bass drums. Today, half those guys would be in the pit. I think we forget how much of a visual treat those huge lines were, as well as the lack of pit clutter in the foreground.
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My idea is to use selections from compositions that have quoted the Gregorian Dies Irae. This came to me as I was listening to Rachmaninoff's Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini which quotes from it. Most of you would recognize it as the main theme of the 5th movement of Berlioz Symphonie Fantastique. Wikipedia lists about 70 composers who have used this theme, including many of the biggies, so you would have a large list to chose from. For a modern show I suppose we would need a "theatrical theme" so lets use the Dies Irae poem as a starter. I think Phantom could sell something like this.
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I played on those horns and am always amazed by some of those guys. The east seemed always to have a load of great soloists. Also great to discover that there is a recording of 75 Muchachos. Can't wait for part 2.
some old corps photos
in Historical Junior Corps Discussions
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Are those standard length flag poles? Either those girls are short or those things are 10 feet long.