fourouttheforty
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What do you need to know? Clearly the good guys win. The hornline removes their helmets and are running and are blowing their brains out in the front of the field, and it's awesome! Yay drum corps! Yay Phantom Regiment!
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Isn't DCI making enough money as it is???
This is a strong assumption.
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Isn't figure skating more about technical precision and grace rather than art and expression? If I'm wrong, they should totally put chairs and doors on the rink.
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and the one in the beginning was a piece of metal pipe and a garden hoe.
Garden tools are not drum corps. I'm never going to another show again, keep garden tools out of drum corps!
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Does it hurt anyone? YES. It hurts the corps who are the one who get most of the proceeds of the recordings. The bulk of those proceeds doesn't go to the DCI office, it sure as heck doesn't go to me, and it doesn't even go to Tom Blair. IT GOES TO THE CORPS! Tell me that isn't hurting the corps. You can't. Again, period.
I'd accept this explanation, except that corps administrators definitely know that portions of their membership rip and upload their DVD performances for their Facebook friends to see.
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Devil's advocate: DVD prices are too high.
Fact.
If this kid isn't allowed to bring a camcorder and he does anyway, then he probably would never buy the DVDs, so it's not like DCI is losing money. Let's face it, $100+ for at most three hours of show is pretty absurd for someone who doesn't have a full-time job.
It's like downloading music: there's very little that can actually be done to stop it, so forget about it. If they don't want to pay, they won't pay. The same thing happens with the actual DVDs, and I assure you that a lot of corps staffers and admins know it happens.
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Hello, 2007? That top 7 was craaaaaaaaaazy. BD Cadets and the Cavaliers flopped around all the time and the Bluecoats were also randomly in the mix, beating BD and the Cavies at a show, and then SCV Crown and Phantom Regiment doing their thing too. It was like BD-Cadets-Cavies-Bluecoats vying for 1-4 and Bluecoats-PR-SCV-Crown for 4-7. And seventh place was always super close in score to 1st until you got to finals week when you actually had to separate them. I couldn't have told you who would win until Hashgate happened.
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Gotta disagree about Star '93 pushing the "write the music to fit the visual" paradigm. That was all Cavaliers. Listen to the original works and tell me where Jimmer took creative license to stress a visual moment. I think it's a fair argument to say that Star '93 changed the vocabulary of visual but there is no way you can tell me that the music was written to the visual. Jimmer never operated that way.
That isn't my claim. Star did its thing in '93; without that program I don't think hornlines would be having dance blocks during spring training.
Seven years later Cavies take their own huge step in visual/music integration.
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The Cavies always sound good. The 2002 ballad is one of the best sounding things in DCI. But if you want loud, go listen to any of the other big boys, because the Cavaliers just don't do that.
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problem with Allentown is it doesnt hold as many fans as the 2 other domes do
Economically, if they're selling out Allentown, they're not charging enough. And I doubt at that point, someone not being able to afford Allentown will stop going to other podunk shows they would also go to, so I don't think there'd be long term ramifications of hiking the price.
That being said, does Allentown literally sell out every year? About when does it sell out? I actually have no idea.
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To the comments about the regionals also being in domes, I suggested the Regionals because I don't think I've heard as many complaints on DCP about other domes as I have about Lucas Oil. If it irks you, make plans for Allentown. It's even the last regional of the year, so the corps will be very good.
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I would credit 2000 Cavaliers as a much more inovative, cohesive marriage between music and visual....01 and 02 were just extensions to the foundation that they created in 00.
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2000 was definitely the start. 2002 feels like the culmination since they were untouchable that year.
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Ah yes, angry SCV :) It's certainly different compared to BD playing jazz and Cadets playing band music, and they were very relevant. BK also plays very fan-unfriendly music. It's not quite the same impact as nearly every corps doing some kind of extra body movement in their program. That's game changing.
Maybe it's because you're not rewarded for pushing it musically as much as you are rewarded for pushing it visually. You could probably get away with being dirty visually under the premise of trying to do more and harder stuff, but music-wise it still comes down to chipping notes and missing attacks. Plus who wants to play a program that gets people to sit on their hands? I guess people do drum corps to be rock stars rather than avant-garde artists.
You want to change the game musically today, it will probably involve electronics, sadly. And probably nothing that hasn't been already done in band. Most hornlines already are getting a pad-bass boost when they play out.
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If Indy is so bad, stop supporting the championships. Make plans for San Antonio, Atlanta, and Allentown instead. It's the same show plus some more ticks (but you're a fan, not a judge or a staffer), you don't have a now super-hokey retreat to endure, and tickets cost less. Sooner or later, DCI will have to pay attention to the market and fix something.
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Visually, Star '93 no doubt. Cavaliers 2002 took it to the next level with the high level of integration between visual and music. I think some people who have been moaning about how DCI is becoming a visual activity have Star '93 to blame.
Interestingly, the music program from Star '93 didn't influence drum corps nearly as much as the visual program. Music today is still highly accessible, and fans (well, at least DCP) don't seem to like it when corps try less accessible things. We still want loud and fast, we'd still be okay with Malaguena for 11 minutes, we want to cheer at the end of our shows. When corps play mezzo-forte, we get bored. Consider this: no one's going to give a standing ovation for a ballad if it doesn't hit at least double-forte. What incentive is there to innovate away from fast and loud?
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I'd watch a series centered around Rookie Talent Night.
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Is there any consideration as to what constitutes as pre-show and what doesn't? If a corps plays F-tuning right before their show but you hear a hung release or they play particularly badly or something, can the GE judge call them out on it? Or more realistically, can a GE judge call a corps out for NOT taking advantage of pre-show?
I'm afraid that corps will be pressured to do this pre-show even if it might not be appropriate for their particular program, or when they're at a performance level where they can't finish their show strong if they add three minutes to it. It's fine how it is.
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Fact is, in general, the concept of 'youth' IS being pushed older. Since drum corps started, the drinking age has risen, the average age of graduation has risen, the average age of marriage and children has risen, etc, etc. Its only natural that drum corps would adapt to fit the world around it.
This is a strong assumption.
The drinking age was actually 21 in most states before the 1970's when some states started lowering it, and then was standardized to 21 by the federal government in the 80s.
Age of graduation can be attributed to economic and social circumstances: students have to work and only take part time classes, students take time off to do their own thing after high school, or just more students dropping out.
Your other examples probably don't have as much to do with youth being pushed back as much as the changing role of women in society. (The average age of marriage for men hasn't risen that much since the 80's.)
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Space chords can also help teach how to tune a dissonant chord. We are used to hearing major triads and open fifths, but you can tune dissonance, too.
Maybe we did something completely different, but "space chord' = play a random/your favorite note, right? I've never heard the comment "TUNE THAT SPACE CHORD".
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Something more like....
Lip slurs? I hate lip slurs! I just want to play my trumpet, and play space chords! -
Extending the age out date is brought up nearly every year by the directors, and there's never a real convincing reason to do it. Drum corps is intended as a youth activity, and even a 22 year old is hard to sell as a youth.
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Actually, Carolina Crown requires its membership to file a Venture Scout application every season too. They probably get some funding for it, so I expect other corps do this too.
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BD 2004. The last perfect 20 in brass.
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EDIT - Never mind.
Pizza rolls!
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PBJ and tater tots for sure.