kmansdrummin
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I wonder if Mr. Porter would approve. Somehow I doubt it.
Though I must say, many kingsmen alumni seem to have a similar attitude. Sad. <**>
Just curious. Where did that info come from??
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Actually, the bigger problem would be, what would happen if people stopped caring???
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My reply and opinion:
Trying to compare a live, exciting, LOUD drum and bugle corps show to watching DVDs is, to use the old term, comparing apples to oranges. Not a very good argument.
The top drum and bugles corps were always playing at the highest level for their time. That once again is not something that can be used to make a comparison. The basic foundation in music will never change. What todays DCI groups are doing with that foundation makes it boring for drum and bugle corps fans.
There will ALWAYS be youth that want to excell to something higher than what they see daily in their high school and college bands. It is the nature of competitors. Drum and Bugle Corps doesn't need to follow those other activities to accompolish this. I think it is the leadership of DCI, and the leaders of some of it's member Corps that are chosing to change things for their OWN selfish survival, NOT what's best for the activity and the youth that participates.
Contrary to your first comment, I've seen high schoolers watching what some refer to as "old school drum and bugle corps". They are blown away and wish the activity could be more like that. But they are handcuffed by the same old argument, that's not what our staff is writing for us to play.
It's just my opioion, but as far as todays kids that are marching in what they are told is a drum and bugle corps, I think it's too bad that they will never know the real joy and PASSION of a drum and bugle corps crowd.
I agree.
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Most sacred drum corps relics? I'd have to vote for Bonnie Ott's cut-offs and halter top from 1976.
She was the mellophone Goddess.
Talk about a religious experience. Hubba-hubba.
Any pics??
Whatta babe!!!
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What if the tick system was still in place?
WINNER, WINNER!!!!!!
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What if there was a HUGE difference between bands and drum corps? I used to love the idea that drum corps was way better than band. In my HS band (the '70's), I would hear, "you think you are better because you are in drum corps". My reply, "well, yeah". (Not being mean, just proving a point.) . Some band people hated us, while some joined us. I loved the persuit of perfection/excellence, hardass attitude (get out of our way), and the comradare of being something special - totally different.
OOPs, that's pursuit.
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What if there was a HUGE difference between bands and drum corps? I used to love the idea that drum corps was way better than band. In my HS band (the '70's), I would hear, "you think you are better because you are in drum corps". My reply, "well, yeah". (Not being mean, just proving a point.) . Some band people hated us, while some joined us. I loved the persuit of perfection/excellence, hardass attitude (get out of our way), and the comradare of being something special - totally different.
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Don't Forget So Cal Dream
Or Pacific Alliance, "The Wicked Drumline". A couple of us.
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Bump. Hey, we need more low end and some cymbals!
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I see the drum parts for TOP, but is there a Streetbeat/cadence?
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Hi everyone. The mighty Pacific Alliance Drumline is looking for new members. We have a full compliment of Snares, have 3 quints, but are in need of more Basses and Cymbals. Of course, if someone could play snare or tenors who is on fire, we would take a look also.
We play old school parts, strive for excellence, but also have fun too. To see some video of us, please go to YouTube, and type in "Pacific Alliance Drumline". There, you can see our streetbeat and drumfeature. (Our drumfeature is taken mostly from Santa Clara's 1975 drum solo, "the clock".)
If you are interested, have wicked chops, a hardass attitude, (but fun loving too), and want to be part of a great drumline, please visit the website, www.pacall.net.
Our next practice is this Saturday, from 2 to 5 PM at Tyee High School, not far from SeaTac Airport, right off I-5, south of Seattle.
^0^ ^0^ B) ^0^ ^0^
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Well, here's who I voted for first;
For your records, here are your selections:
1974 Santa Clara Vanguard
1974 Kingsmen
1975 Santa Clara Vanguard
1977 Bridgeman
1979 Santa Clara Vanguard
1986 Blue Devils
1987 Velvet Knights
2004 The Cavaliers
Then a dose of reality. (I think they tallied these in Florida.)
I voted for the only ones I liked....... (not a lot to choose from IMO);
For your records, here are your selections:
1980 Bridgemen
1984 Garfield Cadets
1987 Santa Clara Vanguard
1989 Santa Clara Vanguard
2004 The Cavaliers
2004 Santa Clara Vanguard
2005 Phantom Regiment
2006 Phantom Regiment
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Two points:
1. Since a corps can only appear once in the show, I think that it makes little sense to vote for multiple shows from one corps. Now, I might see voting for two out of the 5 or 4, but if you spread your vote, you are essentially voting for none of them. To that end, I would just like to request that everyone select Garfield 1987 as the Cadets's selection. We've already had 2000 and 1984, so for the sake of seeing something different (and seeing my favorite show ever), let's vote for 1987 Cadets. Also, I think it would be really cool if both 1987 Garfield and SCV made it so that the audience can get another look at one of the closest, most debated championship ever.
2. For those of you who are so convinced that we will only see the Big 7 (Mad., PR, SCV, BD, Cadets, Cavies, and Star), I think there is a real possibility that we might see all of those with only one show nominated. The reason is simply that the fans of that corps only have the one option. So I think we could very easily see the votes for SCV, Cadets, Cavies et al. be divided and lose out to the block voting of Crown, Glassmen, 27th and Bridgemen.
Any way it goes, it is going to be a very interesting vote!
And I do think that DCI should release the official vote totals.
SCV hands down! They showed some world championship drumming, while the Cadets didn't play a solo and got a perfect drum score. (I know, there's no "exposure to error", but come on!!)
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I have to say, I agree with the omission of 27th. Awesome corps!
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Santa Clara Vanguard, and the Kingsmen. Especially in the early '70's where they were the epitome of class and precision. (And those superstar drumlines as well!!) The Vanguard through the years, and the Kingsmen with their Alumni Corps still uphold the standard. Ah, the days when you were driven to strive for excellence/perfection.
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Part of your GAK GAK sound may be because you only have 13" drums. The HS I teach just switched from 13s to 14s, and the sound difference is amazing.
The tape on the bottom heads is because when you have 8 snares, the snare response can just be obnoxious--the individual drums sound dry, but when the whole line plays together, you get the right sound. Without the tape, it would just sound dirty and overpowering.
I agree with saying the line sounds better when all are playing, but I have to disagree that a big snare sound is dirty. Yes, the note is bigger, longer, but it is a SNARE drum. As for our drums, yes they are 13 inchers, but they still pack a punch. A little brighter than the 14 inchers, but I think they are the best sounding drums around right now. Because of the mylar, and the snares. But thats IMO. I just think a snare should sound like a snare. When I saw finals one year, and saw a concert snare in the pit, I just shook my head in disbelief.
The nice thing regarding this forum is that we can agree to disagree.
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So all these years I've be pronouncing Artichoke wrong too !!!!!!! :P :P
Also I whole-heartedly agee with kmansdrummin that 1975 SCV's snareline at finals was the most impressive thing I've ever seen
John, I have to say that your, (27ths) off the line, (opener), for 1975 is totally cool. I get chills when I hear it. Awesome tune!!
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Actually is Etobicoke and pronouned Etobicoe (K is silent)
Sawry, I have know spelling scills somtimes.................
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And a cool thing regarding that show is, during the first drum solo, (Birds of Fire) there's a drum judge right in front of the snare line while they are playing a great one-handed passage (going from left to right), then followed by a great pattern with single single stroke 32nd notes. The judge dips his head, listens, then walks away. The line finishes, puts in their sticks motionless. Awesome, unflappable execution, and total class!!
PS, I love seeing this on the 1975 DCI Legacy DVD.
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Impressive, yes. But five days later, SCV scored a 19.4 at DCI finals. That's equally as impressive, IMO.
And a cool thing regarding that show is, during the first drum solo, (Birds of Fire) there's a drum judge right in front of the snare line while they are playing a great one-handed passage (going from left to right), then followed by a great pattern with single single stroke 32nd notes. The judge dips his head, listens, then walks away. The line finishes, puts in their sticks motionless. Awesome, unflappable execution, and total class!!
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78 Madison!
74-75 Santa Clara, 79 Santa Clara (squeaky clean), 76-77 Etobikoke
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Bad idea. I would not go to a theater, buy a ticket, while NOT knowing what film is playing. Same for a drum corps show. I really enjoyed the other Classic Countdowns. It's unfortunate that DCI has chosen this type of format. <**>
Ditto
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Kingsmen, 72 or 73
Santa Clara, 75 (but 74 was great too)
Blue Devils, 86
Phantom Regiment, 05
Cadets, 04
Bridgemen, 77
Velvet Knights, 87
Cavies, 04
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Our drumline, (Pacific Alliance, Seattle, WA), got new 13 inch Pearls in 2005. That year we used the Black Max, which is IMO the best Kevlar head around. It gave a good sound and made playing alot easier. However, while looking at a tape of us, when one person played, it sounded like a GAK GAK GAK. We decided before the summer of 2006 to try Mylar. (Actually we were kind of split.) The Mylar had a great snare sound, but a few players with less chops found it very challenging. We ended up using the new Ludwig Silverdots. We were able to crank them, and they sounded GREAT. A wonderful snare sound. We want the kids, and audience in general to hear a snare drum, that SOUNDED like a snare drum. True, the note is "fatter" and lower, but that's what a true snare drum is.
That being said, one of the reasons for the "leaner" note besides the Kevlar heads, is the fact that the BOTTOM head is TAPED in some places, to give LESS of a snare sound. I remember in 2004 seeing the Blue Devils and Vanguard warm up, and looking at the drums sitting on their sides, being suprised at the tape holding the snares in place on the bottom head. The Vanguard sprayed something (I think acrylic) on the bottom head after tightening. (On a side note, while I was talking to the Vanguard, they were very friendly, especially Freddy. They answered questions, and even let me diddle on one of their snares. Very classy.) So, if the bottom snares aren't taped, you may have more of a snare sound. But we found with the Kevlar, it's more of a "choked" sound. For a drum corps, they can afford to use a concert snare in the pit when they need a true snare sound, but for us, our snares are it. The Mylar may be more work, but in the long run, IMO, it's truly worth it.
If you want to check us out, go to YouTube, and type in "Pacific Alliance Drumline". There will be two features. The sound quality could be better, but you get the idea.
The Death of DCI
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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Hey c'mon. I always thought that peoples' posts were THEIR opinions and not representative of their Corps affiliations. At least I HOPE that is what it is. While I am proud to be a member of the Pacific Alliance Drumline, and the Kingsmen Alumni Corps, my statements are from ME and should not be taken as anything other than that. My earlier comment was a question, but the reply felt like it was an attack. We all have our different opinions of the activity, (I'll post mine later), but in the end, it doesn't really matter. DCI will go the course it seems fit, regardless. I wish them all the best. However, I will be protective of my affiliations (as you all are). So please no personal attacks to them. As for me, well, I have thick skin.