BD3BK2R2
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pardon my "off topic" story about my friend Cozy Baker:
Cozy was my houseguest for several weeks after we returned from DCA in 2008. He spent most nights on my computer, writing articles that covered DCA for both DCP and Drumcorpsworld. We both maintained our independent "life scedules". I was sitting in my chair watching T.V. as Cozy was typing away when all of a sudden He jumped up from the desk and ran to the kitchen! I saw a blur pass by the T.V.!! Cozy had pre-heated the oven to the required temperature, in preperation for a frozen pizza. Unbeknownest to Cozy, I stored several pots and pans AND a plastic cullender in the stove! I went to the kitchen and removed a big blob of yellow plastic from the oven, held it in the air with a pot-holder and announced to Cozy: "Your Cullender is done". LOLOL!! I called Dominos and ordered a pizza. cause THATS how we roll.
I miss him every day. DCA had no greater friend and supporter than Cozy Baker. Rest assured, He was with us in spirit at this year's championships! I saw him in a rainbow when Kilties took the field saturday. I saw him when Cincinnati Tradition took the field for their FIRST DCA appearance. I saw him when Corpvets hit us all with a wall of sound! And I saw him when Renegades maintained their top ten status. I saw him when Empire Statesmen fired on ALL cylinders, doing just as Mr. B would have them do: ENTERTAIN the Audience!
Now: Back to our topic, with my thanks for your patience!
Wow!! I'm in tears. I miss Cozy too.
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990's can be filed and 1099's can be given to members. Not dangerous at all.
The idea ultimately is to get local businesses to donate. If you show them good spirit they'll donate anyway. Play music for the clients that buy a new house. Advertise them on your Equipment trailer. You can certainly display the logo of donors.
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right,...............I was trying to say something like this when I was talking about transportation...................you did a much better job tho!
990's can be filed and 1099's can be given to members. Not dangerous at all.
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given the 2 corps coexisted in that city since 1983, it is possible...plus for years you had the Patriots too, and now you have the Sabres down the road.
You know this still boggles me. I couldn't imagine having enough members in one city to make 2 corps. It's sad the west coast missed out on all those years. I didn't even know DCA existed until 2003.
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I'll use this for example. This is an actual listing that is local to me. If anyone brought the listing agent of this property a sale, a deal can be made that the Org. would get a percentage for the referral. In this area it's typically a 30% consideration. Now there are a number of things that you need, A title company, Appraisers, Plumbers, Electricians, Inspectors, Loan Officers, Realtors, Notaries ETC. ETC. All of these professionals are perfect partners and would love to see their business card size ad in your program. Or on the side of your equipment truck. Sell a 1 foot by 1 foot squares to local businesses. Then market to companies who provide services that you need regularly.
This deal if an agent received 3% commission would bring a total of $95,250.00 or $28,000+ for the corps. Twice that if they double ended it. My point is a small team of member marketers could bring these deals in on a monthly basis. It's hard work initially but if you give your team a 20% referral fee it's a healthy living and you've made the first step towards acting collectively. This when it snowballs is an awesome tool and you've helped local business and local community members and YOU did the work. This can work with any line of business, Maybe the barber and the carpet cleaner needs engine work. The rule is don't make the person providing the service pay for what you need. If the mechanic can do it for cost plus lunch he may get a haircut for the cost of a tip. or his carpets cleaned just for paying the carpet cleaner some gas money and lunch. I know it sounds weird but sometimes our major expense is food. A partial payment with a safeway or gas card is usually suggested. If you make it more affordable people will come back and frequent you. And spread the word. Then when our members are in great shape financially we celebrate and share our technique. There is no asking for donations, You go out a bring the business in. You ask businesses, If we bring you your business could we get a cut? If you handed an agent this deal below, You could certainly bargain up your fee AND there is no way he'd pass. Now imagine partnering up with your areas largest brokerage and showing a presence at the open houses. You have to have a team that looks good in a suit and go after big ticket donors.
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That's why I was asking, If it's too much of a liabilty then maybe a partnership is the key. The idea is to partner up with companies that have a resource that you'd use on a regular basis. Collectives obsess about how to help each other. I ran 1 Limousine that could have easily been partnered up with a Non Profit. I tried to pitch the idea with no success. In CA. Busses are pretty easy to get, They just have to pass the DOT inspections and we'd need someone with a class A license. Maybe I should read Bill cooks book. Do we know if anyone has tried to mirror that model?
Partner up with Real Estate pro's. If you get a Mortgage Loan officer to agree to donate a percentage of his business, Market the heck out of him, Bring them a loan. Have a refi fundraiser. One lucky commercial deal could raise tens of thousands of dollars. But I like the transportation idea. Hmm.
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Not sure this is the case Gary. Pioneer rents out their busses all the time. Our ski club calls Roman first when we need a bus. Bill Cook pretty much ran a charter service with the Star of Indiana busses during the off season. It was an integral part of his business plan.
That's why I was asking, If it's too much of a liabilty then maybe a partnership is the key. The idea is to partner up with companies that have a resource that you'd use on a regular basis. Collectives obsess about how to help each other. I ran 1 Limousine that could have easily been partnered up with a Non Profit. I tried to pitch the idea with no success. In CA. Busses are pretty easy to get, They just have to pass the DOT inspections and we'd need someone with a class A license. Maybe I should read Bill cooks book. Do we know if anyone has tried to mirror that model?
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You know, now that I remember maybe there is someone who could answer this. Can corps own assets? I know there are liability issues but could a corps own vehicles, Real Estate and other valuable personal property? Would it have to be turned around and sold? Thanks. Has anyone read Bill Cooks book?
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Sunrisers took 1993 off, fielded again in '94, and climbed into finals (and then some) for the next five seasons.
As for attending DCA Championships every year, Minnesota Brass did not attend in 1988, though they did compete in the Midwest that year. They certainly made it back up the hill. Not saying I'd recommend that course of action....but there was one instance where it wasn't the kiss of death.
So what I'm getting is, it happens. It's what you make of it. Did anyone mix up a marketing plan or membership push? We're you able to attend events that weren't possible before? Did the vets still participate? I'm asking because, I'd like to sit down with a corps that had to face this issue this year. It's not the Gades.
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Barring exceptional circumstances, I personally think it is a huge mistake to take a year off from the DCA Championships, because you might accidentally put a corps into a lack-of-membership spiral that it may not recover from.
FYI, after nearly a three-year absence, I, and a number of others, rejoined the board of directors of the Renegades this weekend, and we are working very hard to get the corps on its feet financially right now. Truth be told, the corps is very much behind the ball right now .... however, this weekend, we not only more than doubled the size of the board with a lot of talented and hyping individuals who love the corps, but we also raised $10,000 by the end of Sunday, a big step towards climbing out of a deep financial hole. Moving forward, we are putting a business plan in place for the Renegades that will hopefully prevent it from being in this position ever again, similar to the business plan that I drafted for the Reading Buccaneers in 2004 (which, ironically enough, was based upon a lot of the strategies that we implemented with the Renegades in the early years).
For the record, at no time this weekend did we discuss the possibility of "not" coming to DCA (nor will we). Period at the end of that sentence.
The only time that the Renegades almost did not make it to DCA was 2006, the year we had two drummers in May ... we came about as close that I ever want to see the Renegades come to "not" making it out for DCA ... somehow, we not only got out to DCA, but we were able to get good enough by Labor Day to stay in Finals, which was a drum corps miracle in and of itself.
Lee
While this is good converstion, The thing that got me wondering was some corps do take time off and come back. This really isn't Renegades specific and I don't support one side more, I was just wondering about the positive benefits. Some good info though.
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I know how everyone wishes things would go ultimately, I wish everyone could do a killer show and take it to DCA every year. Sometimes it's just not feasible, So what are some of the success stories? Were you able to pay off equiptment? Debt? What happened to membership? Were you able to line up parades or standstills? Please successes only. Oh yeah, Do you polish a show for 2 years or take your time choosing?
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"Bring to Rochester"? BRING TO CALIFORNIA!!!! We are ALL so excited to see you guys this year.
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Stop trying to be so innovative all the time. Even though todays kids don't want to hear it, there was a time when there was just Drum Corps. No Electronics, no talking and the instruments were different than band. The line got thinner and thinner between the two and for those not interested in band or band shows got left behind and rediculed for living in the past and not being "Innovative" The fact is Removing G horns, Full retreat, Melodies and adding Amplification, Microphones, Keyboards and talking left Drum Corps fans with nothing. Today you have to have 76 horns to match the volume of old horn lines. That was the beauty, A capable line of kids on G horns sounded like 100 horns, the most capable kids won. By using different instrumentation or trumpets over Sopranos you've eliminated the need to really learn about intonation since trumpets are waaayyy easier to play in tune. Todays marching is incredible but as a fan it's O.K. with me if you slow down and try to give us a more identifiable show. I've marched in a world class drum corps, I understand the sport. You don't have to spell it out for me, Narration is not necessary. Maybe have a class for corps that want to just do drum corps. Or is that DCA? Also what DCI really needs is a more cohesive relationship with DCA, I haven't seen DCI kids supporting DCA shows like the DCA guys support DCI. On the west coast DCA shows go unnoticed by DCI kids because we aren't "World Class" Level.
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Wow, Rich. I couldn't ask for a better endorsement. Drum Corps is in your family blood, to me you are Mr. Drum Corps. Thanks Rich. Trav
I think what I've decided is that instead of joining a group, I'd like to travel to a few parades this year and perform with the corps if I could. So please if you have a performance or parade like our little Renegade for a day parade that I would be welcomed to join in on please contact me. The more notice I get the better. I play Mello and Soprano or Trumpet proficiently. I am VERY interested in spending some time with the Kilties and the Govies. I NEED to go to that Drum Corps Bar. Besides, The Kiltie party from De Kalb 2004 has not been dethroned.
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I would like to personally vouch for Travler Garvey. Hopefully said voucher from a character like me will not count against him LOL
Ever since we first marched together in the Blue Devils in 1989 I've never known Travler to be anything other than a dedicated, selfless, all around great guy and corps member. He'll more than pull his own weight to any minicorps lucky enough to snag him.
Wow, Rich. I couldn't ask for a better endorsement. Drum Corps is in your family blood, to me you are Mr. Drum Corps. Thanks Rich. Trav
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I'd like to start as soon as possible to increase the odds of winning, I have experience on mello and soprano lead parts but not the ego. I have played and been perfectly happy on 3rd parts as well. I travel light, and would get a kick out of traveling. All i'd need is your schedule and a PDF and MP3 of the charts. I promise to throw down as hard as possible and nail the $h!% out of it in Sep. Thank You Travler Garvey
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What I've gotten out of this thread is everybody with the exception of a few corps just can't grasp the idea that with all of the financial B.S. aside the effort is totally worth it. It is a gamble but the truth is I wouldn't give back My De Kalb or My Winston Salem trip for 10 times my money back. Yes it hit my budget harder but If anyone remembers the Kilty party at the hotel in De Kalb in 2004 would agree it was worth waayyy more than price of admission. Also this seems like this will be the year to march the Statemen, California that time of the year is amazing. Thanks to the Statemen for giving it a chance at least. Are there any other corps that might consider a West Coast trip?
As far as a location for finals, Does DCA put in efforts to locate cities themselves? Could we locate economies that are in distress and help do our small part in rebuilding our own country and maybe recieve significant savings in the process?
Trav
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Munson Chan of the Renegades has a website, I'm not sure what it's called but he has tons of vintage drum corps pictures and I'm positive there are plenty of Stockton pics.
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What a great Media page Kelli. Keep up the good work guys.
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.....so that was you........and here, I blamed my dog for stinking up the house....Having followed this thread I have to wonder if this was a general question to all of drum corpsdom, or if this is involving an individual situation that might be better discussed amongst friends.
It has always been my opinion that successful organizations, not just drum corps, realize early on that no one is disposable - every person who walks in and out of the door are potential (and sometime repeat) members, benefactors, sponsors, fans, etc, or just plain lifelong or latent friends.
Well said my friend.
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Wow, I've never heard these other stories, If I remember correctly the EMT's revived 2 people. A couple of them couldn't finish the year.
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From The Denver Weather Examiner: "In 1986...lightning injured 5 people just north of the Denver city limits in Adams County. The victims were members of a drum and bugle corps and were standing near a metal scaffold."
What corps was this?
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I was there. It sucked bad. The Ambulance got stuck in the mud and the rest of the corps had to push it to get it off of the field.
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Where did the Cadetwhich go? Or the Cavie dog, You know one bun and two Nevermind.
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What's with this JPEG guy? Dude, Celebrate a new corps. DCP is getting waaayyy too negetive. Good luck this summer guys, wish I could march with you. Rich, you know of any rich texans who'd sponsor us? I do it in a heartbeat if it weren't for the cash.
Who is REALLY boycotting DCI?
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I haven't paid for a show since "Yowza". What I developed a passion for is no longer what DCI is. Trust me it sucks, I dream about a 70 person G hornline all the time. I went to the Blue Knights booth to check if they had some alumni stuff and all they had were Clarinet and Trombone shirts.