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If a corps would take me on a brand new brass instrument... And I thought I could hack it or learn well enough, would playing say Contra screw up my trumpet chops? or Bari or Mello? I really want to march, and any brass instrument would be good enough for me!
I asked the same question of the good folkes over on the BD boards
http://www.bluedevils.org/forums/index.php...c=10300&hl=
For what it's worth I play tuba, baritone, and mellophone. Playing baritone and mellophone has helped me become a better tuba player. Good luck to ya!
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In high school, Style plus (white). I am unsure of the style though. Penn State Blue Band and the Michigan Marching Band both use black Nike cross trainers. Very comfortable for either chair step or roll step. Not ideal for the activity, but much better then any 'marching shoe' on the market.
I tried a pair of Dinkles on once, horrible shoes. No padding in the tongue or heal cup. The heal cup was also extremelly weak. It was just an all around bad shoe
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Ahhhh...if only.....
I wonder if the dies still exist.....
I've heard Ziggy Kanstul designed that horn line for King, and the current Kanstul line is based on his designs for King. I'm curious, does anyone know if the King bugles were made during the UMI erra? thanks
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1. It should be obvious who the "no" vote is.
2. Though I used to dread and avoid the tour-rookie "snuggy" - what I wouldnt give for one right now. *sigh*
3. I am OVER DCA. Over it. Officially over it. My vote? DCI-AA -
The Drum Corps International division of Alcoholics Anonymous; "where all r welcome."
4. Travlr kicks ###.
That is all. Please bash my comments accordingly.
#3 is a killer....lmao....
imho, great idea, I do love your creativity though B) -
not as bad as I tought it would be......wasn't the 'this is why you need to clean your mouthpiece' thing...thankfully
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what is a mellophonium???
http://middlehornleader.com/Conn%2016E%20Review.htm
Conn 16E mellophonium. reviewed by middlehornleader.com The 16E was utilized by Kenton's band, it was the 'first' bell front (marching) mellophone
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Haven't shaved in a few days....The hair on my upper lip that was in contact with the mouthpiece has rubbed off...fun stuff :P
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A few years ago the Army Jazz Band did a re-recording of Stan Kenton's A Merry Christmas! True to the original scores down to the mellophonium section. The re-recording imho sounds much better then the original. The mellophoniums just don't soar like they did in the original. I'm willing to bet they didn't use the 16E. Take a listen to the clips on their webpage (link bellow). hope you guys like it!
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Penn State,
Thanks for the plug for the Middle Horn Leader.
You're right, the rim shape/contour between the Yamaha 14F4 and the Mello 6 is similar. There are two main differences between the mouthpieces: first, the Mello 6 has that strangely-sized old-style shank, while the 14F4 has a trumpet shank designed to fit the newer Yamaha mellos. The main difference, however, is the inner diameter of the rim. The 14F4 (if I remember correctly) has an inner rim diameter of 16.7 mm, which is appreciably larger than the Mello 6, which (again, if I remember correctly) around 16.2 mm. The UMI/Benge et. al. 1216 (which is the traditional Mello 6 without the extra weight of the 1736) is just a smaller mouthpiece than the 14F4.
Thanks for the info on that. I didn't pick up on the inner rim diameter when I play tested both pieces.I did prefer the Conn mello 6. What I've been looking for in a new piece is a slighly larger rim, so my lips have a little more to work with. The other pieces I use: tuba: Bach 24AW and baritone: Bach 5G
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should be 14F4 === Benge mello 6
http://www.yamaha.com/band/accessories/mouthpiececomps.htm#
14F4 is 16.72 (4.30)
same as UMI Mello 6???
very different to 6V ??
i can't play high C above correctly ...
it's too thin over high C ...
201M problem / 14F4 problem / my problem?
Conn/Benge/king/UMI1216 mello 6 is what the 14F4 is suppossed to be based on. The 14F4 does have a slightly longer shank, other then that it matches up nicely with mi Conn mello 6. There are some differences between the UMI 1736 mello 6 and the Conn/Benge/king mello 6. I am not positive on this, but the 6V may have been designed by Deg. I used one before, it has a sharper cup then the Conn mello 6. I personally didn't like the feel and gave it to mello friend.
Conn/Benge/king/UMI1216 mello 6 review:
http://middlehornleader.com/Mello%206%20Review.htm
UMI 1736 (UMI mello 6):
http://middlehornleader.com/UMI%201736%20Review.htm
I can't comment on the 201, I did have a Bach 1105sII(the close cousin of the YMP-202ms). I can tell you the upper range on that horn was very restrictive. I found it very difficult to play the C above the staff, but could easily hit and little more on a Conn 132E, Bach Mercedes (887) and now my new 204ms. I feel a move to any of the mentioned horns would improve your range.
Mouthpiece wise I am seriuosly looking at a Denis Wick tenor horn 2 piece. it came highly recomemded from a pro mello player after I told him what I was looking for. The tenor horn pieces (aka alto horn in the USA) have the same cup and rim as a real mellophone piece. The only difference is that the tenor horn piece shank is slightly larger then a mellos, allowing it to fit the modern mello. Honestly i am not a thrilled with either my Conn mello 6 or the 14F4, I still think their better then a trumpet or horn w/ adaptor piece.
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Depends on how well you keep it trimmed. I personally don't like playing with facial hair or stubble because I find the area around my lips gets irritated as a result.
same for me, doesn't matter if its the Bach 24AW or the 5G
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... oh sh!!
maybe i'm the only one noob use Yamaha 14F4 which comes with my YMP201M ... :(
all of you use V cup?
i have to play both mellophone and trumpet, so i don't wish to use V cup ...
The 15F4 according to yamaha is a 'copy' of the Benge (Conn, King) mello 6. This piece is very similar to the 6V, except the cup is a bit sharper.
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Might find this interesting: I don't remember where I saw it, maybe BD forums an old Getzen ad for Bb piston/rotor bugles.
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I'm currently using a Conn mello 6 (same as the Benge, King, or old UMI mello 6). I am in need of a new mouthpiece and was wondering what others are using?
The Denis Wick tenor horn 2, came highly recommended from a pro mello player. True mello mouthpieces and tenor horn(alto horn) mouthpieces have the same cup and rim as the mello pieces, the tenor pieces have a slighlty larger shank, allowing them to fit in modern march mellos
One last thing, does anyone know how to tell the difference between a Bach 12 cornet piece and a Bach 12 mello piece? I have an old Vincent Bach Corp New York 12 piece and I'm unsure if its a mello or cornet piece.......thanks B)
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I understand where you are coming from. But I want something that was purposely meant for mellophone, trumpet, or brass in general.
I understand what you are saying. I know lot of horn literature doesn't work for and was never intended to played by a mello. Keep in mind the mello is an alto voice instrument, and has much more in common with the trumpet then the horn. There are mello parts out there that were written for the Kenton mellophomium orchestra. Now those pieces would be a lot of fun to play!
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Maybe it's because when I watch a drum corps show I don't look for little symbols on the field. I sit there and wait to be blown back into my seat from a huge hornline sound, groove along to a jazz chart, be touched by a beautiful ballad, and get brought to my feet in sheer amazement at the end.
When a show can do that, that's sophistication.
IMHO, great show would still be great even if you close your eyes. Visual (drill, guard, stick work, etc..) should compliment the music, not be the show, with some music
I don't care for what Hop has done recently, BUT I will still wacth and cheer the Cadets on, just b/c a friend (marched with in Blue Band) marches Cadets.
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OK, I'll try to hold back. There is a lot of buzz about Yamaha and their great quality. I don't see it.
I have a Yamaha C trumpet that is extremely sharp, not a crime - a lot of C trumpets are to compensate for a flat upper register. However several of the joints have come loose and the 1st valve finger hook just fell off one day. It wasn't like it is heavily used. I only use it for church jobs
Well, it was $350. brand new in '84.I have an old, old Bach from 1945, that's worn out so in '93 I settled on a Blessing ML1S, because of price. It is a great horn, but not up to lead in a Jazz band. I then got a Bach Strad. 180S37*(lightweight bell). I loved it. After a couple of years it got ran over by a truck in a parking lot. Flat as a pancake.
I played other Bach's and another 37, but they weren't the same. I tried a Martin Committee large bore, couldn't see filling that thing up with air over a 3-4 hour gig, but it sounded nice. I tried a Yamaha Mike Vax. It's a poly bore horn with heavyweight valve section and lightweight bell. It plays great.
It too is falling apart. spit valve fell off. The little button thingy on the second valve slide fell off and I haven't replaced that.
the monel valves are horrible unless you keep them squeeky clean. Also the first valve slide is stiff and I can't seem to loosen it up. Probably an alignment issue. Once, someone squeezing through the section tipped my horn over and it didn't fall hard. The second valve got stuck down. UH OH, we were playing. I slowly pulled on the second valve slide assembly figuring that it might have been forced inward and while pulling ever so gently the 2nd valve popped out and has been fine ever since. WHEW! The silver plate has some flaws, but that is not a big deal. I paid $1250 about 4 years ago. Like I said it plays great, but quality, maybe they're not all like mine. I take good care of my horns too.
A friend recently bought a Holton Sandoval and loves it. Again, the monel valves are a problem on his horn. I don't like it so much, but he sounds great on it. He plays like a bull. But it is very well made. He has a Stomvi also that is very nice and I like the way it plays.
Getzen recently picked up Mike Vax as an endorsing artist and offer a Mike Vax trumpet. I would love to try that one.
That's my Yamaha experience. Good luck and have fun hunting. Don't be embarrassed about playing on a 14a4A. Some people call it a cheater. I'm sure you have the same ability on a 3C that you have on your Shilke. Those that would call it a cheater are jealous. If you're playing jazz the 3C sound won't cut it and your sound will be lost, no matter how nice it sounds.
Yamaha's quality is outstanding compared to what the old big name companies are putting out now. The new horns stamped, Conn and King for example don't stake up to the horns made by the C.G. CONN company and the H.N. White Co. I have no doubt a lot of the older equipment is a lot better then the new Yamaha horns (except for, maybe marching brass), I also have no doubt that the new Yamaha horns are better then(or maybe consistent is a better word) then the new (hmmm...could we say 'knock offs') of the classics, such as Bach, Conn, 'King', Holton, etc....
Raise The Song!
-chris
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7C is a great mthpiece to start out on for trumpet
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Hi DCP!
I'm a current marching Blue Band member at Penn State University. After much thought I decided to audition for the Marine Drum and Bugle Corps as well as the stage production Blast! on tuba, baritone, and mellophone. I need to 'upgrade' on a new mello (YMP-204, to be exact) and must sell my Bach 1105sII (silverplate) asap (so my parents don't kill me confused.gif , not having money doesn't help wacko.gif ) Thought someone here might be looking for a great mello at a good price:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Selmer-Bach-1105sII-ma...1QQcmdZViewItem
thanks for your time. Please check the horn out!
Raise The Song!
-chris
PSUMBB sousa
PS this horn was produced by Yamaha for The Selmer Corporation. The most comparable Yamaha product would be the 202.
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Hoppie forget about needing a door hanger????????????
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SoCal's opener is goining to be very sweet! Does SoCal still use G 'bugles'?
Sorry if this was already posted: http://www.abda53.com/x/cadets.mp3
last vocal is the best:lol:
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LMFAO.........too funny