Pinwiz
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Because this lends itself to the age of "everyone gets a trophy". You start with one, and then you go to 15, and then someone else further down the pipe whines, and then its 21... etc etc etc. if you're really worried about seeing their shows again, call the corps and see if you can order what they are providing for their members. See if they're going to issue a "best of" the past few years like they have before. And buy it. You'll support the corps more directly than if you purchased from DCI.
This isn't "everyone gets a trophy", it's how can DCI #GrowDrumCorps better. 12 corps is probably the best number for Finals night due to time constraints, but there's nothing that says it's a requirement for the video release. Shows like Troop and Colts are going to expand the potential audience more than Generic Finalists 1 and 2 and should have been included.
If we're in a new world then so be it, but at least all options should be on the table.
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I'm livid about this. I completely understand why DCI is doing it right now, but it hurts to realize that we're not going to be getting official recordings of some of the non-Finalists. There have been so many shows that have been lost to the ages because they didn't cross that magic 12th place barrier and I don't want to go back to that world.
Both Colts and Troopers put on AMAZING shows this year. I'm not arguing that they deserved to compete on Saturday based on the current rules*, but IMO any honest retrospective of the 2015 season has to include those shows and not some Finalists that I felt "coasted" in terms of design. I think it was a good year but there are at least five shows in the Top 12 that I'm never going to watch again. Instead, I want to see the emotion on the face of Troop's DM at the end of their Semis show. I want two copies of Colts: one for each ending.
And yet, I can't come up with a "fair" solution that would give me what I want. The current scoring system is as good anything, it's certainly better than "I want what I think is best", but we're reaching a point where 12 isn't going to be the magic number anymore. Maybe start expanding the collection to 15 corps like the Prelims Broadcast?
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* It's getting ridiculous that there's not a "Wild Card" exhibition spot at Finals. Troop was 11th in GE at Semis, why not let them perform? Why not Colts last year? As the overall talent level improves more and more spectacular productions are going to miss out on Saturday and it's about time that we give them their due. Reward corps for reaching for that brass ring.
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Uh.....no. Regiment made an improbable run. Crown just put up the highest score of the season a week before finals. It would surprise no one if they won.
It wasn't an impossible run, Regiment '08 placed second in Allentown so it was no surprise that Spartacus won if you were paying attention. What they had to do was fight their way out of a 4th place seed, which did take three solid performances to overcome.
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1. Blue Devils - 90.8332. The Cadets - 90.6753. Carolina Crown - 90.5084. Bluecoats - 89.4255. Santa Clara Vanguard - 88.1586. Blue Knights - 85.3507. Phantom Regiment - 84.0758. The Cavaliers - 83.6759. Madison Scouts - 82.70810. Boston Crusaders - 81.36711. Blue Stars - 80.61712. Crossmen - 80.51713. Colts - 78.56714. Troopers - 78.51715. The Academy - 77.36716. Spirit of Atlanta - 75.02517. Oregon Crusaders - 73.03318. Mandarins - 72.76719. Pacific Crest - 71.71720. Cascades - 68.03321. Jersey Surf - 67.57522. Pioneer - 62.567
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Fair enough, I missed Phantom. Nice catch!
(I'm really hoping that I finally start to care about 7-12 this year when I see them at Prelims...)
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Stupid the way they divided this show this year. Tomorrow has all the contenders this year except BD. The score for BD means nothing when their main competitors are not competing on the same night. Stupid move DCI! Just make this one big show next year, please?
When they build the schedule for the year they obviously take one corps randomly from a three-placement pod and put them on one night and then the other two on the second. I'd probably reverse the two nights for the next pod. They have no way to know in the Spring that things would have panned out that way.
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We have the scores from Friday and there we no major surprises in terms of the Prelims seeding. Here is where we were at after Atlanta:
1. Blue Devils - 89.388 (Fri)2. The Cadets - 89.213 (Sat)3. Carolina Crown - 88.850 (Sat)4. Bluecoats - 87.575 (Sat)5. Santa Clara Vanguard - 86.950 (Fri)6. Blue Knights - 84.088 (Fri)7. The Cavaliers - 82.888 (Fri)8. Phantom Regiment - 82.575 (Sat)9. Madison Scouts - 81.338 (Sat)10. Boston Crusaders - 79.750 (Sat)11. Blue Stars - 79.125 (Fri)12. Crossmen - 79.100 (Sat)13. Troopers - 77.438 (Sat)14. Colts - 77.113 (Sat)15. The Academy - 75.913 (Fri)16. Spirit of Atlanta - 73.588 (Fri)17. Oregon Crusaders - 71.663 (Sat)18. Mandarins - 71.625 (Fri)19. Pacific Crest - 70.525 (Sat)20. Cascades - 66.600 (Fri)21. Jersey Surf - 65.913 (Sat)22. Pioneer - 61.138 (Fri)Using those numbers and adding in tonight's scores, we know what the Saturday corps need to do in order to improve their performance time on Thursday:
The Cadets must beat a score of 94.075 to move ahead of Blue Devils.
Carolina Crown must beat a score 94.8 of to move ahead of Blue Devils.Carolina Crown must beat The Cadets by more than 0.725 to advance.Bluecoats must beat Carolina Crown by more than 2.55 to advance.Bluecoats must score a 88.025 to remain ahead of Santa Clara Vanguard.Phantom Regiment must beat a score of 85.875 to move ahead of The Cavaliers.Madison Scouts must beat Phantom Regiment by more than 2.475 to advance.Boston Crusaders must beat Madison Scouts by more than 3.175 to advance.Boston Crusaders must score a 80.425 to remain ahead of Blue Stars.Crossmen must beat a score of 83.65 to move ahead of Blue Stars.Troopers must beat Crossmen by more than 3.325 to advance.Colts must beat Troopers by more than 0.65 to advance.Colts must score a 79.625 to remain ahead of The Academy.Oregon Crusaders must beat a score of 81.75 to move ahead of Spirit of Atlanta.Oregon Crusaders must score a 71.2 to remain ahead of Mandarins.Pacific Crest must beat a score of 77.25 to move ahead of Mandarins.Pacific Crest must score a 68.7 to remain ahead of Cascades.Jersey Surf must beat a score of 72.275 to move ahead of Cascades.Jersey Surf must score a 64.05 to remain ahead of Pioneer.Based on the numbers I think Cadets and Colts have a chance, everything else is probably stuck in place. NOTE: Final seeding doesn't necessarily mean final result, Phantom was seeded 4th in '08 despite getting the second-highest score at Allentown, but the better the seeding the better the chance come Indy.-
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Just a reminder, here's the current score benchmarks for tonight's scores to improve their Prelims seeding:
Santa Clara Vanguard must beat Bluecoats by more than 1.25 to advance.Blue Knights must beat Santa Clara Vanguard by more than 5.725 to advance.The Cavaliers must beat Blue Knights by more than 2.4 to advance.Blue Stars must beat Boston Crusaders by more than 1.25 to advance.The Academy must beat Colts by more than 2.4 to advance.Spirit of Atlanta must beat The Academy by more than 4.65 to advance.Mandarins must beat Oregon Crusaders by more than 0.075 to advance.Cascades must beat Pacific Crest by more than 7.85 to advance.Pioneer must beat Jersey Surf by more than 9.55 to advance. -
I'd guess it hurt the score, but I'd expect going on in 15th place hurt more.
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Can we just get 13th to 18th on Saturday night instead of 7th to 12th? I'd probably enjoy the show more this year.
Yes, I know that can't happen. I still think there needs to be a "wild card" exhibition slot on Finals night. Let's reward a corps for putting on one hell of a show even if it doesn't meet the judge's criteria of Saturday-worthy.
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Dear DCI,
Please let us buy Blu-ray copies of the non-Finalists this year. These shows are worth it.
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One more update: fixed the wording to "by more than" as the initial numbers were the values necessary to tie.
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in the end it will have a .13 effect on score avg. They are like a point away from the placement above or below so no effect.
True. Most corps are locked into place right now.
I've updated the listing to include the performance day for Allentown.
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It's that time again. Two of the three shows that DCI uses to set the performance order at Prelims are in the books and here's where we stand if we use the Friday score for Cavies. The Allentown performance day is in parenthesizes:
1. Blue Devils - 89.388 (Fri)2. The Cadets - 89.213 (Sat)3. Carolina Crown - 88.850 (Sat)4. Bluecoats - 87.575 (Sat)5. Santa Clara Vanguard - 86.950 (Fri)6. Blue Knights - 84.088 (Fri)7. The Cavaliers - 82.888 (Fri)8. Phantom Regiment - 82.575 (Sat)9. Madison Scouts - 81.338 (Sat)10. Boston Crusaders - 79.750 (Sat)11. Blue Stars - 79.125 (Fri)12. Crossmen - 79.100 (Sat)13. Troopers - 77.438 (Sat)14. Colts - 77.113 (Sat)15. The Academy - 75.913 (Fri)16. Spirit of Atlanta - 73.588 (Fri)17. Oregon Crusaders - 71.663 (Sat)18. Mandarins - 71.625 (Fri)19. Pacific Crest - 70.525 (Sat)20. Cascades - 66.600 (Fri)21. Jersey Surf - 65.913 (Sat)22. Pioneer - 61.138 (Fri)Knowing this, we can calculate the current benchmark scores for the corps that perform on Friday so that they can move up the placement. Corps not listed do not have enough detail to provide a value, go out there are score as high as possible:Santa Clara Vanguard must beat Bluecoats by more than 1.25 to advance.Blue Knights must beat Santa Clara Vanguard by more than 5.725 to advance.The Cavaliers must beat Blue Knights by more than 2.4 to advance.Blue Stars must beat Boston Crusaders by more than 1.25 to advance.The Academy must beat Colts by more than 2.4 to advance.Spirit of Atlanta must beat The Academy by more than 4.65 to advance.Mandarins must beat Oregon Crusaders by more than 0.075 to advance.Cascades must beat Pacific Crest by more than 7.85 to advance.Pioneer must beat Jersey Surf by more than 9.55 to advance.I'll be back with round 2 after we get scores on Friday.-
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I want to reach into the booth and strangle the person who thought that was a good multi-cam edit.
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There's at least one corps with enough design weakness to make an opening, possibly two. I'll know more when I finally get a chance to see everyone on Saturday.
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I agree that Colts are a potential upset, but I wonder if it's a case where Colts finally unlocked the potential of their show while Troop is struggling to break through to the next level. We'll see this weekend.
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Excellent.
It was obvious that Troop was going for it this year, this just helps confirm.
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Troop has GE for days, there's still time for the visual to click. It's going to be tough but we've had surprises on Semis night the last three years (Xmen make Finals, Troop almost make Finals, Colts almost make finals) so who knows what will happen.
And if not then if you don't think that the home office isn't making notes for next year you are crazy.
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Pit is the best. (But seriously, do what you enjoy. If you want to play a horn go for it.)
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No matter where Troopers finish however, most years I really dig their show. So as an outsider, thats what most interests me when it comes to the Troopers.
Agreed, although I am alumni and I own that I can't be unbiased.
What matters is the show is fantastic, placement be ###### and they are a finalist in my heart (just like Colts last year). All we need is for DCI to offer Blu-rays of non-Finalists and the rest won't matter.
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We're fine, they just need to push. (And we're so not going to be 14th come Indy.)
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All of this makes perfect sense if you have been playing attention to the lineups the last week or so. I have a feeling that if Troop make it then it's going to be a season of losing mid-week and winning at Regionals.
I wasn't able to watch the Denver performance so I don't know when most of the changes to the last third of the show were added but the vehicle is there to get to Finals. They need to CLEAN, CLEAN, and CLEAN some more.
Fortunately they have quite a few days off between now and Atlanta and a wonderful gift with their performance spot in San Antonio.
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Well, Crossmen beat both Blue Stars and Boston, who came on after them and had far better better visual conditions. So, they overcame performance order.
They also went on after the break...
Intrigue In Indy
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I look forward to seeing all of the shows on DCI Live later in the summer, I'm going to watch Troop's stream on Facebook and then go to the gym. Good luck to all corps.