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13 hours ago, Ghost said:
65 was the first year.
http://www.dcxmuseum.org/index.cfm?view=corpslist&CorpsID=9
Actually 1963 was the 1st year they played it. It was put in sometime during the year. I have a recording of the 1963 VFW nationals which was in Seattle, WA. Note that DCXmuseum is not 100% accurate with a few of the very early years. Corps during those years often made changes during the year. A good example would be Madison Scouts 1976 and their infamous Theme from "Shaft" Show. Their scores early in the year were horrible even though they had the same membership when they won in 1975. So during the season they switched music and re-wrote almost the entire drill. They finished 2nd in 1976 and there are many that think if they'd another week to clean the show they could have also won in 1976. The DCXMuseum database only reports their end of season Rep.
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The corps was also a top corps in the 1960's. The corps was formed in late 1964 as a merger between the Blue Stars Color Guard and a small parade corps forming the Blue Stars Drum Corps. The corps was a parade corps in 1965. 1966 was the 1st competition season for the corps. It finished 18th at the American Legion Nationals. Starting in 1967 it became one of the top corps in the country never finishing lower than 10th at the national championship contest of that era.
The Corps folded in 1983 due to financial issues. A small group of very dedicated Alumni kept the spirit of the corps alive via a small C Class parade corps, Blue Star Cadets, while working to bring back the competitive corps which they accomplished in 1986. They gradually over time rebuilt the corps. Again the early 2000’s a group of alumni again gathered and put together a long term plan to move the corps forward and bring it back to being one of the top Drum Corps in the country.
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Racine Kilties 1968 VFW Nationals
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Hi all.
I am trying unsuccessfully to locate a score to Paul Halley's Appalachian Morning. I can't even find who has published it (if any), and so far the major sheet music stores I work with can't find anything either. I know there are a number of great recordings, but contacting someof those folks has not helped either. Does anyone out there know h9ow I can get this thing?
Jordi Vilanova
ASCAP Database Lists the publisher/administrator as follows:
BACK ALLEY MUSIC
PO BOX 22
NORFOLK, CT 06058 US
(860)824-4000
meg.race@pelagosmusic.com
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THIS IS MY CORPS
This is my corps.
There are many like it, but this one is MINE.
My corps is my best friend. It is my life.
I must support it as I must support my life.
My corps without me is useless. Without my corps, I am useless.
I must defend my corps true.
I must slam meaner than my enemy who is trying to slam me.
I must slam him before he slams me. I will...
My corps and myself know that what counts in competition is not the slams we post,
the noise of our slams, nor the smoke we blow.
We know it is the wins that count. We will win...
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I believe that even if the VFW had made some accommodation to Corps needs in 1971 it would have only resulted in a short term reprieve from the problems facing most corps. Eventually the corps would have formed DCI or a DCI like organization.
There were a number of factors the drove corps to the DCI decision. These included a sea change in sponsors, change in economic conditions in the US, and change in view of military type organizations. All of these changes had very negative impacts of Corps ability to survive and compete.
The key issue for most corps was just “financial survival”. In the early 1960’s, the economy in the US was stable with low inflation. At that time most corps were sponsored by local organizations: VFW, AL, Catholic Church, YMCA, private businesses. As the 1960’s progressed thru the early 1970’s, the economic situation in the US changed. The Vietnam War, and later the Oil embargo pushed inflation to over 5% by 1970 and later to 9.0% in 1973.
The growing unrest in the country over the Vietnam War also had an impact on organizations that were perceived to be militaristic. Corps felt this impact. Many corps lost large numbers of their most senior members to the Draft or enlistment to avoid the draft. This conflict caused many of the creative teams to try and take corps shows away from the Militaristic style dictated by the VFW and AL. This backlash continued as VFW and AL did not welcome returning Vietnam Vets into their organizations.
All of these factors combined to create a “perfect storm” that put most corps in to a “critical survival” mode. Many corps lost their sponsorships and with it their base of operations (Funding, Practice facilities, winter funds, etc.). This all translated into the need for significantly different financial model for Drum Corps. Corps tried many different approaches. We began so see corps change names, merge, and fold.
So while the VFW and AL had some impact. I don’t believe that “if they had changed” would have any more than a very short term impact on Drums Corps.
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1981 Blue Devils .... I just came back from a trip out of the country. Since I lived near by I went to DCI Midwest prelims at White Water. Went with out a ticket, and was surprised to see the first 8-10 rows on the 50 yard line were avaialble. So I purchase a 50 yard line ticket around the 8th row.
The show was fantastic and very enjoyable until BD came on the field. They were so loud that my ears hurt (physically) and a few minutes into the show just after some massive blast I had to leave. I left with my ears ringing and a very bad headache. I sat down out behind the stadium for the rest of the show in total pain and now understood why the first 8-10 rows were open!
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<Hugo Montenegro>
Ah yes - the composer of that quite famous drum corps tune (lifted from the very Neophonic album of which you speak):
Fanfare for the New (Sandra Opie's Kansas kids..., Guardsmen, BD)
How can one forget the Anaheim Kingsmen they did it 1st in 1969!
Hugo Montenegro also did a a Jazz Arrangment of "Hall of the Mountain King". The album was titled "Bongos and Brass". This was a popular Drum Corps tune: The Blue Stars (68, 69, 74), Cavaliers (68,69), US Marine Corps DB (72), Freelancers (87) and Madison Scouts (98) all played a Montenegro version of the tune. These are the ones I know for sure. Many other corps have played Mountain King but I am not sure the orgins of their versions. FYI ... the Blue Stars, and Marine Corps versions were arranged by Col. truman Crawford.
The album also contains a Spetacular Arrangement of "Slaughter on Tenth Avenue". Madison Scouts 74 and 75 Slaughter on 10th had it roots in the Montenegro Arrangement.
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By Kenton Standards, Bob Graettinger is by far the most obtuse and eccentric composer that ever wrote for him. Very controversial. Even Bill Russo, likely the second next-most obtuse Kenton composer, (likely best known for his composition "This is an Orchestra!") disliked Graettinger's compositions intensely.
This "Innovations Orchestra" period was pretty avant garde/experimental- using French Horns and a string section, etc.
A lot of people aren't warmed up to this era- exceptions being the pieces written for Maynard Ferguson and Conte Candoli that were titled for them- it isn't popular.
Now, "Los Suerte", using the later Neophonic Orchestra (aka the "Mellophone Band"), much, mucch more popular, esp amongst Drum Corps freaks.
So even by Kenton standards, the music chosen for this show is very dissonant. Compare it to his 70's bands- a total shift in harmonic techniques and intrumentation as well. Not as familiar with the Rugolo selections (kudos to BD for finding stuff a Kenton junkie like myself doesn't have LOL), but I have a guess they're much more accessible than Graettinger. The "Incident in Jazz" piece I believe will be very much in the traditional mold of BD- it's a fine work that if it's done right should land a few hard blows to your jaw when they put the horns into the stands and cut loose on the shouts.
I've always thought BD should build the City of Glass on the field and explore it with us when I first heard the album and read the liner around 1983-4. The original 10 inch liner notes were really wonderful to read- unfortunately an ex owns that album and I don't- unless I made off with it. Will look in a couple of weeks and see if I did take it and will ttype it out if I do. It's about time BD paid a visit to a unique Kenton landscape- could be a really neat program if we're fortunate.
I am not exactly sure what you are trying to say here but you seem to have mixed up a few things. La Suerte, Neophonic, and Mellophone Band are all from different Kenton Eras, which your statement seems to have mixed up.
“La Suerte de Los Tontas” was recorded in 1956 on the Cuban Fire Album. It was a studio recording concept album. The piece the Cuban Fire Suite was written as one continuous suite of music with 7 movements. The 7th never made it on the original album release due simiply to space issues. The 7th movement was included on CD re-release after Stan’s Death. The recording used French Horns. No Mellphones here. BTW … The Lead Trumpet on the recording was “Dalton Smith”. He did the recording playing a “Bach 1C”.
The Mellophone band existed from 60-63. There is significantly shortened rendition of the Cuban Fire Suite (only three Movements) that was adapted for Mellophones. It was played a few times on a tour of Europe. It is on a live album recorded in England. It was done to try and bring the Cuban Fire Suite back to life which never happened.
The Los Angeles Neophonic Orchestra existed for only a short period of time. It was a "concert hall" orchestra that never really caught on with the public. It present only 11 concerts in over 1965, 1966 and one concert in 1968 before being disbanded due to high cost. There is one official studio recording of the Orchestra. There are also two "unoffical" dual CD’s for the Orchestra recorded live. The CD's were created from live recordings found stored in a New York Studio years after Kenton Died. They were sold privately off a Web site (not sure if they are still around) The quality of the orignal was not the greatest (Musical Performace was not the best).
This orchestra never performed or recorded Graettinger, Cuban Fire, nor any of the Mellophonium touring band music. The performances included original composition from the noted Hollywood Orchestral, Movie, Film, and TV composers of that era. A few of the noted composers include Hugo Montenegro, Lalo Schifren, Clare Fisher, Nelson Riddle, John Williams, Oliver Nelson, and Don Ellis to name a few.
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In the "Old Days", Many Corps in fact did have a Sponsor Identification included in their name. A few exampes that come to mind are
First Fedral Blue Stars (First Fedral Savings and Loan)
Racine YMCA Kilties (YMCA)
Mercury Thunder Bolts (Mercury Marine)
Many Corps were sponsored by church organizations: Holy Name, St. Mary's Cardinals, St Lucys, St Kevin's, etc.
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Sounds Off: Archer-Epler Musketeers, Pittsburgh Rockets
Drum and Bugle Corps Skokie Indians
1960 Horns Aplenty: Cambridge Caballeros, Audubon All Girl, Patterson Cadets, Selden Cadets
1960 American Legion Nationals, Miami, FL - Vol 4: Garfield Cadets, Bracken Cavaliers, Andrews Sabers, The Vikings
1960 VFW Nationals – Vol 3: Garfield Cadets, Chicago Cavaliers, Detroit Lamplighters, Reading Buccaneers
1961 VFW Nationals - Vol 3: St. Mary’s Majestic Knights, St. Vincent’s Cadets, Racine Kilties, Skokie Vanguards
1966 – Sounds of the Velvet Knights
1968 VFW Nationals - Vol 1: Racine Kilties, Des Plains Vanguard, Blue rock, Argonne rebels
1969 U. S. Open – Vol 1: Kilties, Blue rock, Madison Scouts, Marion Cadets
1969 World Open Championships – Vol 2: Boston Crusaders, Santa Clara Vanguard, St. Paul Scouts. Brassmen
1969 National Dream Contest - Vol 1: St. Lucy’s Cadets, 27th Lancers, Golden Knights, Garfield Cadets
1969 VFW Nationals - Vol 2: Cavaliers, Golden Knights, St. Joseph’s, Argonne Rebels
1970 U. S. Open - Vol 1: Blue Stars, Blue rock, Anaheim Kingsmen, St. Paul Scouts
1970 Midwest – Vol 3: Des Plaines vanguard, Nisei Ambassadors, Black Knights, Phantom Regiment
1971 Combine 71’ : Cavaliers, Santa Clara Vanguard, Troopers, Madison Scouts, Blue Stars
DCI Champions – Kingsman 1972, Sana Clara Vanguard 1973, Madison Scouts 1975, Blue Devils 1976
1980 DCI - Vol 1: Blue Devils, Spirit of Atlanta, Cavaliers, Guardsmen
DCI Champions – Kingsman 1972, Sana Clara Vanguard 1973, Madison Scouts 1975, Blue Devils 1976
The Madison Scouts - Encore:
The Troopers – How The West Was Won
1984 DCI Championship – Vol 1: Garfield Cadets, Spirit of Atlanta, Freelancers, Velvet Knights
1984 DCI Championship – Vol 2: Blue Devils, Madison Scouts, Cavaliers, 27th Lancers
1984 DCI Championship – Vol 3: Santa Clara Vanguard, Phantom Regiment, Suncoast Sound, Crossmen
1984 DCI Championship – Vol 4: troopers, Sky Ryders, Knights, Florida Wave
1984 DCI Championship – Vol 5: Bridgemen, Boston Crusader, Avant Garde, Les Eclipses
1984 DCI Championship – Vol 6:lly Fever, Blue Knights, Colts, Dutch Boy