PaNors77
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Absolutely! Obviously I am not a high brass player, I play trombone in college and baritone in running band. When I teach my kids "breathe-dah" I first tell them to think that "dah" is the articulation they use. It forces them to pay more attention to the way their oral cavity is shaped. Then I ask them what they feel in their throat, and most of them realize that it's much more open than it was before.
I don't know if this is what the good people at Crown intend when they teach us this technique, but think of it like this;
Many people have problems playing in a group or sounding well individually because of how they take their breath, and how they store that breath before they play. The first thing I learned when learning "breathe-dah" was that the air never stops moving, and that you never hold your breath (exactly what my trombone professor tells me). After months of learning this technique I realized that I articulate the same exact way I always had; but the openness of my throat had changed, both when playing and breathing. An open throat can make a world of difference, and that's what the difference is for me.
TL;DR I think of breathe-dah as not an articulation, but a method of breathing and staying open.
Thanks......but actually this guy was talking both breathing and articulation even after I showed him the film showing the tongue in the EEEE position on a trumpet players high note. The flourescope xray doesn't lie, LOL. He was actually denying that the tongue arch even existed, despite actual film footage showing it. Certainly we all need to play open/relaxed throat. Maybe it's more prevelant in young low brass players closing off? One excersize I'd seen a local corps style youth band do was turn the horns around put the bell up to the face and say "haaaaaah" and keep trying to mist up the bell. That also seemed to work to open throats,etc.
He also thought Lynn Nicholson's high note video was "disgusting and tinny". I guess he hates high notes, LOL.
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After being taught it for the past two years at Crown and giving my knowledge to students that I teach, I think "breathe-dah" is a very good foundation. If you can get kids to understand this idea, then you can go beyond that with confidence.
I'm not neccessarily totally against it mind you, just that it's physically impossible to play a high note on trumpet with the tongue in the "aaah" postion. Breathing together, attacking together, being full of air....all great things of course. So I'm thinking maybe this system is a low brass technique which with this guy wants to force it on the high brass kids,etc. He also thought anybody screaming high notes like Maynard or Lynn Nicholson was "disgusting" so whaddya do with that eh? haha. To me...trumpets need to sound like trumpets in the first place and not try to turn them into a side section of flugels or mellos. Love lot's of low brass but also don't want to turn the trumpet section into middle/low brass either.....if that makes any sense?? :)
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I used to teach a method to a few small/mid-sized locals corps (remember those?) back in the mid '80's. Expel/relax on counts one and two, full breath on count three, embouchure set on count four and dah attack (open throat, warm air) on count five. Should have called it "Breathe, Dah" and patented the #### thing! Duh....
Heh.........back in the 80's I was busy being a new dad, LOL. I always teach my private students to set first then breathe. Gives more time to get the set going,etc. However many counts that emcompases depending on the music. The more counts you have to play with the easier it is to "set....breathe....play",etc. But according to this guy that's all wrong. He seems to call anyone in private lessons, or pro studio players "soloists" and in that regard cuts down the entire industry. He doesn't recognize playing in a big band trumpet section relevant to anything for example, heh.
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Are you sure you want him working with you guys in that case?
Well....of course I'm trying to "go along to get along" and now he says he'd let the upper lead players use their own mouthpieces instead of 3C's and such. He does have great marketing ideas and a plan to get some horns per the board,etc. He points to the hornlines he worked on telling me all of em are doing this system....ok fine, but I told him his soloist who'd played some nice G's that if we could put him behind the xray machine you'd see his tongue arch for that note, LOL.
I definitely need some guys with recent experience of course, but again was asking here if I was misunderstanding something about this "dah" thing. Certainly I'm all for breathing together,etc. BUT I'm also all for utilizing a full rest measure to breathe before the attack too. Plenty of time to set and breathe in that case,etc. :)
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Ok..I realize this is an old thread but I'm dealing with a bari guy who is interested in helping our corps come back and is insisting on "breathe dah" technique. I as a pro trumpet player DO recognize the importance of a full relaxed inward breath and if saying "dah" helps that's fine. But this guy is insisting also on PLAYING/blowing "dah" in all registers and I keep saying that it's impossible for a trumpet/sop player to play high notes with his mouth open in the "ahh" position. There IS such a thing as a tongue arch and the EEEEEEE syllable for the upper register. Wayne Downey (who this guy also shoots down) also agrees.(I asked him) This guy denies the existence of tongue arch, shoots down every trumpet teacher for the past 100 years including Claude Gordon, Louis Maggio, Herbert L. Clarke and every trumpet method book ever written. "Teeee...is just wrong,etc." Again, I'd agree with big full open relaxed breaths and open relaxed throat when blowing, but this guy is taking the cake. I even showed the old flourescope video showing the xray film of of a trumpet player playing. You can SEE when he goes to a high C his tongue arching. This guy denies it anyway. Showed him Maynards former lead player Lynn Nicholson's "Happy Birthday" video where he's screaming double C's and this guy thought that was disgusting and "tinny". WTF??? One of the top lead players on the planet and his high notes are so loud that he uses and offers ear protection for his students, yet this guy says he's disgusting? Does arrogance know no bounds? :)
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Selling this nice pristene shape Kanstul Powerbore Sop in G with a Protech gig case. Was donated to us so we're selling it to go towards Bb horns for the junior corps coming up.
Here's the Ebay link,
http://www.ebay.com/itm/140864759537?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
and here's a pic.... and/or you can contact me at 951-780-4929 Panors77@aol.com
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Ok...the Kingsmen in SoCal are trying to get a junior corps off the ground and need horns so liquidating a few pieces to help with that. Here is a nice mint Dynasty Xylo with grid iron carrier, keylon keys, and mallet bag. Been in storage since the 07 Rose Bowl show. Asking $2000.00 OBO. All proceeds go to the Kingsmen. Contact Phil at 951-780-4929 panors77@aol.com Prefer local pick up or buyer arrange freight/shipping.
Sold!!
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Ok...the Kingsmen in SoCal are trying to get a junior corps off the ground and need horns so liquidating a few pieces to help with that. Here is a nice mint Dynasty Xylo with grid iron carrier, keylon keys, and mallet bag. Been in storage since the 07 Rose Bowl show. Asking $2000.00 OBO. All proceeds go to the Kingsmen. Contact Phil at 951-780-4929 panors77@aol.com Prefer local pick up or buyer arrange freight/shipping.
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We have a number of horns for sale:
8 DEG Marching Trombones - Good Condition; $500 ea. (purchased in 2006)
9 DEG Bb Marching French Horns - Good Condition; $300 ea. (purchased in 2001)
7 DEG Marching Baritones - Fair Condition; $200 ea. (purchased in 1998)
All horns are in playable working condition.
If interested in the whole lot will sell at a discount. Prices are before shipping. Shipping must be paid prior to the instrument being sent.
Thanks!
Hi....where are these horns located?
thanks.
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This is gonna be great! Music is "Dark Knight Rises" and just got my part and mp3. I look forward to playing this baadassed chart! heh. Hope to see Kingsmen alumni, and guests of all ages tomorrow night.
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It's that time of year again!
This will be the 7th consecutive year that The Kingsmen have performed in the Anaheim Spooktacular Halloween Parade.
The parade will be held on Saturday, October 27th, 2012 at 6pm in Anaheim.
Everyone is invited to perform with us.
In order to prepare for this parade, The Kingsmen will have their first rehearsal on Monday, September 10th, from 7 to 9:15 pm at the Los Alamitos JFTB.
Rehearsal address:
Joint Forces Training Base
40th Infantry Division Band Room
4506 Doolittle Ave.
Los Alamitos, CA 90720
(Please respect all rules of this military base)
Click here for map and directions to Los Alamitos: http://is.gd/e8c56
Chairs, music stands and rest rooms are available in the band room.
Rehearsal Schedule:
Monday, September 10, 2012 - 7:00pm - 9:15pm
Monday, September 17, 2012 - 7:00pm - 9:15pm
Monday, September 24, 2012 - 7:00pm - 9:15pm
Monday, October 1, 2012 - 7:00pm - 9:15pm
Monday, October 8, 2012 - 7:00pm - 9:15pm
Monday, October 15, 2012 - 7:00pm - 9:15pm
Monday, October 22, 2012 - 7:00pm - 9:15pm
Please let me know if you plan to attend a rehearsal at the Los Alamitos JFTB.
We will also have a short rehearsal on the day of the parade at Betsy Ross park in Anaheim, at 3pm, which is where the parade starts.
If you need a copy of the TDKR music before rehearsal, please email Gary at webmaster@xkingsmen.com
All Bb and G brass instrument parts are available, as well as an mp3.
Percussion instruments of all types are welcome to join us, so dig out all of those accessories.
We will also have a complete Kingsmen National Squad/Honor Guard/Color Guard in front of the Corps.
Kingsmen uniforms are preferred for these positions.
If you have a Kingsmen uniform, or can borrow one, you can wear it. If not, you can wear a black t-shirt, black pants, black belt, black socks and black "plain toed" shoes. A black t-shirt with a Batman logo on the front is optional.
If you have any questions, please feel free to call Phil Norris at 951-780-4929 or email at Panors77@aol.com or Gary Kean at webmaster@xkingsmen.com
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Well, from one California drum corps alum and fan to another, I wish you the best of luck in getting the Kingsmen back on the field!
Thanks so much! Means a lot and I'll take all the help I can get,heh.
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Gary, you sit on the Board at Kingsmen?
Heh.....hey we could also use more board members if anybody's in SoCal?
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Phil and I have had some very productive discussions going on. While I must exclude myself from the director search (location, location), I am happy to be a sounding board and advisor.
And just to make something perfectly clear, Richard "Rocco" Oliverio has absolutely NO connection to this organization!
Garry in Vegas
Hah...thanks!
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Wow, it would be great to see the Kingsmen get back out on the field and competitive. I assume they would be Open Class for a long time, in order to build a strong financial and competitive base, before trying to move up? Will they still be based in Anaheim, or will they move to somewhere else in SoCal?
Still based in Anaheim but practice facility in Los Alamitos. I'm getting some really nice supportive phone calls from interested folks. Thanks very much! The Kingsmen belong back in DCI and I'm working to try to achieve that someway...somehow.
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The product you want is Twinkle Silver Polish. It can be found on Amazon. It works better than any other product and doesn't put excessive wear on the silver plate.
YES.....out here in SoCal it's in the grocery stores. I've used it for several years when I'd had a silver horn.
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The Kingsmen Starcorps board of directors is seeking a Junior Corps Director to help rebuild the Kingsmen. Goal is to get the Kingsmen back on the field and back into DCI. Please contact the Kingsmen either via their website at www.kingsmendrumcorps.org or contact the board president directly at 951-780-4929, Panors77@aol.com
Phil Norris
Kingsmen Board President
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The Kingsmen Starcorps board of directors is seeking a Junior Corps Director to help rebuild the Kingsmen. Goal is to get the Kingsmen back on the field and back into DCI. Please contact the Kingsmen either via their website at www.kingsmendrumcorps.org or contact the board president directly at 951-780-4929, Panors77@aol.com
Phil Norris
Kingsmen Board President
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Hah.....I just clicked on the new one and it worked,heh. We have a bunch of extra multi-tenor heads too, just haven't put em up yet. Figuring I'd keep one extra replacement head per drum for now so again selling off all the extras.
Email me too for more pics and/or I can meet you at our storage unit to show them,etc.
Panors77@aol.com
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Would you be willing to sell the amp and speakers separately?
So we end up stuck with the rolling rack, speaker cords and Mackie board?
Why not buy the whole thing then sell off what you don't need? Ok...twist my arm then....LOL. Email me if you'd like pics. What corps or group are you with? 
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Local to where?
Wow...this is weird...how come I didn't get any emails for replies to this thread?? LOL....sorry
Local to Southern California,etc.
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Ok.....we have a large PA system for sale which includes:
8 channel Mackie Board
1 Yamaha 750 watt power amp
2 large Yamaha wedge speakers(w/2 15" and horns)
1 pair speaker cables
1 large Odyssey rolling rack
Asking $2000.00 for everything.
Please feel free to email me for pics at Panors77@aol.com This is pretty large so preferring local pick up,etc.
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We've just relisted some of our extra drumheads on Ebay,
http://www.ebay.com/itm/140687604265?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
Just lowered the opening bid on these new snare batter heads. We only really need like 3 sets of heads for the snares we have left so selling 10-11 sets. Again they're brand new still in the boxes. After you go to the above Ebay page check the other listings too for the other head and we also have our DVD-CD set of the 2007 KAC Rose Bowl Performance for sale!!
Contact me if you like at Panors77@aol.com or 951-780-4929.
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Just a note that we still have a bunch of Kingsmen Alumni Corps DVD's of the DCI performance at the Rose Bowl in 2007. Here's the new Ebay link.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/320747915031?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
We also still have an extra 24" Dynasty bass drum for sale with carrier and stand.
Proceeds go to help the junior corps and the KAC.
Calling all Former "Breathe Dah Students"
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Bwahahahahaha............I like that one!!
Thanks for reminding me I'm not imagining things after the decades of playing I've put in, heh.