RobG
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Hate to be overly practical, but what about cost and quality?
Aren't good-quality G horns harder to find, not to mention repair, than Bb/F horns?
Aren't they more expensive to buy and repair?
I knew someone in the repair business who remembers trying to find parts for G horns and having trouble.
Besides, at the risk of sounding sacrilegious, didn't hornlines sound better after making the switch to Bb/F?
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There were no less than three Cascades staff members managing the sound of their amplifications and synths... but there wasn't a single staff member that came to the aide of a horn line member that passed out in the show for 34 seconds.
The audience watched, with literal gasps, as a corps staff member FINALLY went over and checked on this kid... the numerous people managing the sound equipment, most readily available to help... chose to ignore the problem. Only one person can run the sound board... so what they were doing, that was so important they couldn't help a member, is beyond me.
Yes, heat strokes, and heat related things are frequent in the summers... but the maturity level of the staff and their response time in this show was unacceptable. Period.
while a number of things may be wrong with drum corps, the regard of staff for corps members isn't one of them. I think the words "chose to ignore the problem" (my emphasis on the word chose) are unfortunate.
As a high school band director of a small marching band (35), I can remember a situation where a majorette blew a knee about 15 feet away from me and I didn't see it until my assistant ran on to the field to help her. Note that this girl was in front on about the 40 at the time and the group was small. It can happen.
Should the response have been better? Absolutely. All of the corps and event organizers should take note to insure the safety of the corps members.
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"When *you* was my age? When my old man was my age, when my brother was my age... You was never my age, none of ya! And the sooner you creeps get hip to that, the sooner you'll dig us!"
I love West Side Story
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Drum corps is not a sport!
Unless you can have a sport in which every participant is a winner.
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"the louder you play, the softer you tongue"... still excellent advice. I wish I could remember who said that that.
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I love the Scouts' show.
Very emotional; very entertaining.
It's my favorite of the shows I saw at Akron on 7-7.
My only reservation is all the low synth. They don't need it.
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Infocision Stadium is a great venue for drum corps!
... if you don't have drumlines warming up right next to the stadium ruining some of the quiet moments in other corps shows.
That was an insult to the corps on the field as well as the fans trying to enjoy the shows.
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Beer is like sex and pizza, it's all good!
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I must admit....coming into 2010, how many of us did not see Bluecoats in 2nd place? That may have been true in, say 2007, but this year was a surprise for me.
This is THE BEST corps Bluecoats have ever fielded since 2007. Excellent job, and I can't wait to see what happens next week.
Combination of best corps and and best show since in their history, period. I look forward to seeing them again tomorrow in Massilon.
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I always felt that too. The arrangements of the music was great, but the sound of the horn line was a little 'rough'.
many of our horns were very old or in poor condition. Some of us were still using valve-rotor horns in the 1986 season.
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I saw Crown in Akron and they sound great. I don't think the snare hole hurts the balance.
But what about the other holes? It seems like there were 5-6 holes in the hornline? It had to hurt the score some.
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I saw the Scouts in Akron and think they have a great show. I get tired of other corps dicing up symphonies into 1'-30" tidbits. The Scouts treat the music that they play with respect and I hope to see them in the finals!
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Do you think before you write something? Or should I ask what time last year you first hopped into Drum Corps?
In previous years I would say that Bloo has done shows that are above their heads starting out. Watch 08 finals (this should be my prime example. This year the corps started off being beaten visually by glassmen, blue knights, almost crossmen and lower because the show was so over their head before the rewrite). Last year was a steady sixth place show the whole season because they were ok-ish. And these are FINALS. They climb and perform shows of a high caliber just like any other corps out there. Just because they make it look easy, doesn't mean it is
When I first hopped into drum corps? Try 1986 as corps member and several years before that as a fan.
I am speaking from the perspective of watching drum corps for over 25 years and having the experience of being in the Bluecoats in 1987.
My original point was that the bluecoats didn't peak early - in the '80's and early 90's they just maxed out their show and watched others pass them. In '08 and '09, they just didn't have good shows.
By the way, the example citing the re-writing the the show to make it easier just helps to make my point.
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Stunk all the way to a 93+ and 6th place...they should hang their heads in shame.
I'm curious...how many shows last year, in your opinion, did NOT stink?
I also love how some folks can say a show that scored 95+ (07) "can be forgotten" if they win the championship this year.
I hope all of you, in whatever you do, can live up to the standards you seem to want to place on the Bluecoats.
2009:
Good corps, bad show. That simple.
Do you let a (slotted) score tell you what is good? I don't.
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I pay much less attention to the scores than I used to, and still less with each passing season. I go to shows just to see the show!
I can't ever imagine booing a corps show, either during a show or when the scores are announced, and I don't think I ever will.
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It seems to me that the Bluecoats "peak early" (not the term I would use, thus the quotes) for the following reasons:
1) They have a conservative approach. They play it safe and come out with a show that is a little easier than it ought to be because they want to look good out of the gate. Some other corps come out looking kind of sloppy but as they clean up the show they pass Bluecoats.
2) The Bluecoats last two shows before this year have just not been that good - last year's show just flat-out stunk. A good corps can only do so much with bad material.
It looks to me like the Bluecoats put everything together just right this season. They look better than ever and have an outside chance at making #1. I look forward tothe next time I see them in Massilon.
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Bluecoats do Autumn Leaves
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Dude, you need to get a clue. First, show me where I'm being "OVERLY NEGATIVE TOWARDS THE CORPS". And second, where did I EVER write ANYTHING about "electronics, Bb horns, new sounds"? I have NEVER, EVER, EVER said anything in ANY post EVER on DCP about not liking that stuff. Well, maybe once or twice about electronics, in general. I'm not doubting one bit that this is probably the best show the Bluecoats have ever put on the field and will only get better. Where did I say it wasn't? I just don't like it. I DO bleed blue. They are my former corps and I will support them 'til the end. But I do not have to like what they do. I didn't like the show, that's my opinion. Deal with it.
Once again, show me where I "express dislike for my corps". Never once said that. Also, where did I "go on the offensive about it"? Again, get a clue.
Baristeve, I've read a lot of your posts over the years on DCP. You are... Well, just not worth my time, let's just say that.
Again, why do I HAVE to like what the Bluecoats do just because I once marched there? Is that a rule? A law? Something I missed somewhere along the line? Help me out. Yay for you for enjoying the videos. Most people are. It just doesn't do anything for me.
Did you people even read the entire thread. I made a comment early on about seeing the debut show at Granville High School and I wasn't impressed. Then based on some comments I said that I would give it a chance again once I saw it in a "real" show setting. I did, and still didn't like it. I also didn't care for Crown. I've liked them a lot the past few years, but their show didn't do anything for me either. But you know who's show I really liked last night? Cavies. Even with all of their electronics Mr. Iceman. I really enjoyed their show. Boston's was pretty cool too.
How about you people just crawl back under your rocks and accept the fact that just because I marched Bluecoats at one time doesn't mean I have to automatically worship them every year.
I agree with the point about not having to like the corps you were in. As a former member of the Bluecoats I have been REALLY disappointed with the shows in '08 and '09. I was even disappointed by the "play-it-safe" approach that they seemed to have while I was a member of the corps.
I strongly disagree about this year's show. I think they have finally have the show to match the corp's quality.
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Great show!
Bluecoats FINALLY have a show that should allow them to contend for the title! Crown Sounded great but had 6-7 holes. Cavaliers had a great show - I thought they should have won. Scouts should have scored better.
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I'd like to see Marion Cadets
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True. Those organizations simply could not survive in the environment that DCI created. They could not survive in the economic and financial model that became drum corps. If you could not tour 10,000 miles, and do 35 shows a year, you were winnowed out. And at some level, that's really, really sad.
I haven't found a way to calculate the numbers for criteria 2 - the number of performers participating in drum corps. But I can provide some rough estimates.
There were 46 active junior corps this year, and let's assume an average number of performers per corps is 110. That's 5,000 performers, approximately.
In 1972, there were 442 active junior corps. Let's assume 40 performers per unit - a very conservative number. That's 17,600 performers, approximately.
So in in 1972, there were 3 1/2 times more performers than there were today. Now that's really depressing. That's 12,000 kids who will never get to know the joy of drum corps, in any shape or form.
Sorry, as I continue to tick of the criteria in the ILDCI, none of them are looking very good.
The activity has shifted its focus over the years. Its former focus as a an enrichment activity for youth has largely been taken over by school music programs.
Comparing drom corps in 1972 to drum corps of the present is like comparing apples and oranges.
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Don't forget: drove the bus
An honor?!?!? Anyone who marched 27th, male or female, has probably pushed a bus, cleaned a bus, and repaired a bus. I remember pushing a bus at 3 o'clock in the morning, somewhere in the middle of the Rockie Mountains, and abandoning my good friend Jimmy DeSab (the driver) somewhere near Vail (Vale??) Colorado, and travelling to the next show on two buses. I stood in the aisle and fell asleep standing up. Nobody had it any better. Those that could fit were three to a seat. -
Everywhere!
In terms of the number of actve corps, drum corps is just a shadow of what it used to be.
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After being a long-time fan, I joined 27 in '86. Even though I love '80 and '81, '86 is special for me. I have never been associated with any group that had more heart than the 1986 27th Lancers.
Judging
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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Yes, we need new judges. Too many judges have been around for the the last 20-30 years and drum corps hasn't changed at all! (sarcasm)