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1 hour ago, Newseditor44 said:
It feels like SCV tried to recreate last year’s magic. The props and the tarps are just WAY TOO MUCH. It’s so hard to watch the show when the field is so dang busy. In contrast, the Bluecoats have done an amazing job with color and design and using that design to draw the eye to certain parts of the field.
Agree wholeheartedly
When I saw Bluecoats " uniforms ", I thought immediately that if Vanguard had chosen those colors they would score higher...just reading the drill and everything would just *POP*. Vanguard's uniforms are just so drab
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Not the first time for high color guard. They also won the trophy in 1978. It was somewhat controversial as they didn't carry any rifles that year, just hula hoops and flags.
On another note, Gale must be beaming in heaven. Beating the Troopers was a milestone when he first came out with the Vanguard. Now even the Vanguard Cadets have beaten them. That is a real accomplishment. He is grinning from ear to ear and so pleased to see SCV in 2nd and pushing for #1 next year.
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I feel sorry for the keyboard player.
A couple of weeks ago in church we had a high pitched squeal. They checked the sound system and kept on with the service, but it was very annoying. The choir director came over to me and said, "Is it the organ?". I tried it once turning it off and then back on. After he came and asked me I tried it again. The person who installed this organ added a lot of bells and whistles on it and it took like 45 seconds or so to reboot.
The choir is looking at me and saying "Gloria Patri"..I had the music and my hands ready......the organ just hadn't rebooted. I was so embarrassed
It turned out to be someone's hearing aid
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The poster who used "The 10 things I hate about you" had the right idea, but the wrong movie. I have it on good authority that the engind for finals will feature "Bolero" and Bo Derek from the movie "10".
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That is what vhs and cassette tape are for anyway!
No, NO, NO!!!!!! That is what super 8 movies and LPs are for. (LOL)
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Because having an education degree automatically confers that you actually know how to teach and get results.
One of the the dirty secrets in American life is that our education majors at university actually have, on average, among the lowest ACT/SAT numbers of all incoming freshmen. Anyone who's had kids in school long enough can attest that there are all sorts of "professional" teachers out there we wouldn't hire to teach our dogs, much less our kids.
The "education courses" that make the degree one in education are and have been Mickey Mouse for years. You learn more in your first week of student teaching than in 30 hours of "education classes".
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There are no sheets or written commentary anymore. It's just a tape (digital recording) and a number. And, of course, whatever discourse follows in the post-show critique (when they have 'em).
Just a question OT.....what do the corps get after the show in place of a tape? Do they provide each judge with a digital recorder with their name on it.....there is no easy way I know of to make it into a CD.
I thought about that earlier this week. When I taught it was the marvelous cassette tape (LOL).
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First... let me start off by saying I am continually amazed and how much the activity has progressed over recent years, the technical ability, musicianship athleticism and sheer creativity is amazing.
In spite of all of this, there is one glaring trend that I might suggest is going very much down the wrong path. A break from the past here is certainly needed, but this can't be the right direction.
Uniforms...
Frankly speaking, guys are just trying too hard and can't seem to completely break away from some sort of pseduo-military element of the past that makes it feel even more awkward. The end result is something that seems so out there to the uninitiated, to the point where it seems kind of amateurish.
What is most strange is that all are sort of moving very much in the same sort of waves (something old, something new, something borrowed, something half and half, etc.). Everything is a mashup, rather than a concrete or cohesive idea.
What is wrong with simple? What is wrong with a wide range of possibilities out there? Why does everyone need to follow a trend vs. putting something out there that makes both programatic sense and is appropriate to the type of movement guys out there are doing?
The roots of this trend are in WGI, more specifically winter percussion, where pretty much everyone (with some very recent and breakout exceptions) is wearing Star Trek pajamas. How did this happen? Where did this come from? Most of these things look like those velour jumpsuits my grandpa used to wear back in the day. Nothing about this is remotely connected with this decade and needs to change.
Anyway, we're stuck in this sort of loop (is it the manufacturers driving this and influencing this, having to put out something so attention getting each year?) and there needs to be some fresh horses and new exploration and more diversity.
Rather than designs that are force-fit to be marching bandish.... something completely clean... from zero... re-imagined?
Rather than starting with a traditional military influenced uniform and deconstructing, start from more dance and athletic wear foundations and build up from there?
While we're at it... it is time for these silly ski bib pants to go. There is no body shape out there that this looks good on... also, costuming needs to be considered in the full context of the performance, which is wherever people are hanging out watching you do stuff. Watching guys warm up in bib pants is silly.
On the topic... shoes. With so much revolution going on out there in the athletic shoe world (and drum corps is athletics from the neck down) we're still out there wearing souped up nurses shoes? Really?
Bottom line... guys out there are trying way too hard. Seems like it is the manufacturers driving this... it isn't helping to make things more accessible, not at all. Time to go back to the drawing board... everyone tabula rasa with a build up, rather than tear down approach and hopefully the result will be something that is not only contextually relevant, but movement appropriate and a little less awkward for the general public.
I think in the late 70's early 80's Seattle Imperials and Capital Freelancers (the year Shirlee Whitcomb worked with their design) dis use jumpsuits not only on the guard, but on the corps proper.
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First... let me start off by saying I am continually amazed and how much the activity has progressed over recent years, the technical ability, musicianship athleticism and sheer creativity is amazing.
In spite of all of this, there is one glaring trend that I might suggest is going very much down the wrong path. A break from the past here is certainly needed, but this can't be the right direction.
Uniforms...
Frankly speaking, guys are just trying too hard and can't seem to completely break away from some sort of pseduo-military element of the past that makes it feel even more awkward. The end result is something that seems so out there to the uninitiated, to the point where it seems kind of amateurish.
What is most strange is that all are sort of moving very much in the same sort of waves (something old, something new, something borrowed, something half and half, etc.). Everything is a mashup, rather than a concrete or cohesive idea.
What is wrong with simple? What is wrong with a wide range of possibilities out there? Why does everyone need to follow a trend vs. putting something out there that makes both programatic sense and is appropriate to the type of movement guys out there are doing?
The roots of this trend are in WGI, more specifically winter percussion, where pretty much everyone (with some very recent and breakout exceptions) is wearing Star Trek pajamas. How did this happen? Where did this come from? Most of these things look like those velour jumpsuits my grandpa used to wear back in the day. Nothing about this is remotely connected with this decade and needs to change.
Anyway, we're stuck in this sort of loop (is it the manufacturers driving this and influencing this, having to put out something so attention getting each year?) and there needs to be some fresh horses and new exploration and more diversity.
Rather than designs that are force-fit to be marching bandish.... something completely clean... from zero... re-imagined?
Rather than starting with a traditional military influenced uniform and deconstructing, start from more dance and athletic wear foundations and build up from there?
While we're at it... it is time for these silly ski bib pants to go. There is no body shape out there that this looks good on... also, costuming needs to be considered in the full context of the performance, which is wherever people are hanging out watching you do stuff. Watching guys warm up in bib pants is silly.
On the topic... shoes. With so much revolution going on out there in the athletic shoe world (and drum corps is athletics from the neck down) we're still out there wearing souped up nurses shoes? Really?
Bottom line... guys out there are trying way too hard. Seems like it is the manufacturers driving this... it isn't helping to make things more accessible, not at all. Time to go back to the drawing board... everyone tabula rasa with a build up, rather than tear down approach and hopefully the result will be something that is not only contextually relevant, but movement appropriate and a little less awkward for the general public.
I think in the late 70's early 80's Seattle Imperials and Capital Freelancers (the year Shirlee Whitcomb worked with their design) dis use jumpsuits not only on the guard, but on the corps proper.
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Just remember though, he could only hear 1/2 of the show or at least all of the show at 1/2 volume. (sorry I just had to)
Thoughts on 2012 Santa Clara Vanguard at DCI Finals: I think Van Gogh would approve of this show. Gorgeous sound, horn line. #fb
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What is a tape recorder??//
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I was there. I thought Muchachos were great and I remember my uncle telling me that they were going to make finals with Garfield. I still have cassette recordings of 76 prelims. I took my tape recorder to most drum corps shows when I young.
What is a tape recorder?
JK
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I recently found a prelim ticket to DCI in 1975 in Philadelphia. Can you guess how much it was? I thought maybe $7-$10.
It was only $3.00
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No one involved in these posts ever had gym class or don't they make you shower after gym class anymore???
That is where I got my initiation.
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They just said BDB went undefeated.
FALSE.
SCVC beat them!
July 10 th in Fremont California
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I find it quite curious that the 1976 Blue Devils show was left off both lists. It was groundbreaking in many ways: longest musical number to date (Channel One), new direction visually (all curvilinear drill), and the first corps in history to sweep all captions. Unlike the current iteration, the corps was wildly popular at the time. I guess 35 years later, many of the people polled don't remember, or weren't around to experience those days. I guess it's no surprise that only three out of the seventeen mentions were corps prior to 1980, with one being the Kingsmen ("the first winner" seems an odd rationale for legend status, though they were a fine corps). I guess the 1975 Muchachos should have been the #1 choice...a true legend, as we don't (and won't) ever know what they did, or would have done.
David, I have seen that posted in 6-7 different places that 1986 was the first use of all curvilinear drill. I saw the Vanguard (only) in 1974 and started following corps seriously in 1975. Both Vanguard and Blue Devils used almost exclusively curvilinear drill. ikt was goint on well before 1976.
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Ditto. I was told back in the day by knowledgeable guard people SCV's guard did them in in '88, and the guard was a lot better and the surrounding props seem to have got them over the top with the program in '89, and related better to the average fan, which isn't a bad thing. I know there's a few horn guys who prefer the '88 book by far.
The only thing that drives me nuts was the 4895908376 HS knock-off shows that lifted right off of this program and failed horribly in front of my face time and time again for several years....
It's one of the reasons why I can't really Top 5 this show- I don't think of SCV anymore, I think of a Band director who needs shot for attempting this book with three 7th grade Trombone players as his Low Brass section. 
AMEN TO THAT ONE!!! Some are still doing the show. (I I love Phantom of the Opera and all but)It is rather dated in 2010.
It is like the HS kids who tell me how wonderful the Phantom movie is. It doesn't compare to alive performance of it any day of the week.
At least that is my 2 pennies worth
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While I agree 83-4 Garfield should both be on there, my all-time pick of the best show ever written isn't on the top 6. The 1987 Garfield Cadets.
That show using one piece of music, incorporating dance as it did, and the sheer excellence of music and marching is (in terms of writing anyways) is the 100 % perfect show and I judge all others by it.
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St. Andrews Bridgemen 1974
See what just 2 years did to change them.
I think the 70's were some of the biggest changes in instrumentation, color guard, percussion, and drill.
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I agree with all of the posters who liked 88 instead of 89. Musically it came across a bit better and I agree about the guys in the color guard...and even the design of the flags was better in 88. Sometimes I think they have to hone in on the precision so much it often looses something. They clean so much and the kids are so worried about the mistakes...it doesn't come off as well.
That should not be the case as much today with the newer judging style.
Love the Vanguard no matter what!!!!!!
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It is not true that before '76 we only did lines, echelons and files. This is such a misconception that it drives me CRAZY!! There were lots of arcs, circles and asymetrical sets years before '76. Check out SCV at Whitewater '73 for example (you know where).
The big change for the 70s was '73 SCV because for the first time "Color Pre" was eliminated and YPG (two tempo) set the tone for thinking outside the box instead of having the usual OTL, drum break, Color pre, into concert, concert, out of concert, (big breath) drum break, ballad and exit. IMHO of course
.I believe she is right. The first time I saw a "modern" drum corps was SCV in Ann Arbor in 1974 where they filmed much of the McCormick's marching percussion video. However if you look back and see the evolution (as I have done) from 1970, 1971, 1972, and then the 1973 Vanguard. It is a night and day difference in sound, marching, style of show, etc. I think the 70's revolution belongs to SCV.
Blue Devils were inspired by Vanguard and did a similar style show, only with jazz music.
Many of these performances are on You Tube and you should look at them.
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See, that's one of the things about back in the day..... Ya never knew who was gonna win!
For example, you could go to a show where the Kilties, Scouts, Cavaliers, PR, and Black Knights were on the slate. Let's say the finish on Sat. evening went same as listed above. The NEXT DAY it could finish Scouts, Kilties, PR, Cavaliers, Black Knights. Then the very next time the Cavies met the Mad Plaid, they could well be the winners.
For years, I have been able to attend a DCI show, and accurately pick the final placements of the corps, before a note of music is even played.
I know.....times have changed.....for the better! That's why drum corps fans can no longer buy good seats for $1.25, a hot dog for a dime, or a record with 4 corps on it for 2 bucks. It's called progress.
Just found my prelims ticket for Philadelphia either '75 or '76.....guess the price???
$3.00 General admission...no reserved seats.
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Someone asked why 27th's style wouldn't work in today's DCI.......
Well, here's the REAL reason. Because the 27th Lancers were so "Drum Corps"....and todays artsy-fartsy judges just hate REAL drum corps. So, the Lancers would be scored below everyone else.
This would not sit well with the fans, who would riot in protest, burn the stadium to the ground, tar and feather the judges, and march thru town with the 27th Lancers carried on the fans' shoulders!!!
DCI wouldn't care much for that whole scene.
I watched SCV 85 on Youtube and someone posted on there, "What is the theme of this show?".
This theme stuff has gone too far. It is far too esoteric for me. You don't need a theme!!!! Just good music and good marching!!
I really don't care for much of this new stuff at all. Haven't been to a championship since 2001.
Have been to a coupe of quarter final theater showings, but hardly anybody makes me want to stand up and cheer like they did in the 70-80's.
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If I wanted to ruin something, I'd suggest that we use bassoons instead of rifles next year. That would most certainly ruin the bassoons anyway.
THe way some people play the bassoon, you might be doing the world a big favor. Nothing worse than an amateur sound on a basssoon, oboe, or violin.
DCI Southwestern Championship (San Antonio) - Saturday, July 20, 2019
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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Vanguard came close 1981. They won visual by .05. Didn't win any other caption awards.