salad315
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or maybe everyone around them is getting better.
I know, I know, using logic
Well, yeah - i'd agree with that. Hurcs show is the best I've seen from them it years...just based on the fact that I actually enjoy it a little bit
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I really dont want to debate this with you or anyone else.
When I was in the corps we went to Sweden and Denmark over a whole week during the summer, we went to Bermuda, Barbados, Rio DeJaniero, performed for Kings, in race tracks, soccer stadiums, and so on. All of these things happened during seasons that we either A.) Won DCA, or B.) came a VERY close second to a superb Bushwackers corps. The corps went to England and came back in 1998 to win DCA. We did "flash mobs" before there was a term to describe what they were. We also had Power Zone, that was a smaller group that won the DCA title every year we competed.
I am truly hoping to motivate someone to understand that what they did this summer was not as unusual as it is made to seem. The difference I feel right now is that the will to compete to win is missing. Believe me, I know what I am posting is making some people mad. I am sure that I will hear about from someone. Hopefully it will motivate the corps I love the most of all of my drum corps experiences to accelerate their passion to compete at the highest level.
Donny
And I'm guessing all that was back when the corps was more local, more experienced, and actually, you know rehearsed together in the winter. At some of the shows I've seen empire at, they had as many holes in certain sections as they had spots filled...(and i'm not talking early season either). Again, i didn't follow DCA in the 90s, but from what I have seen, (for modern DCA, when corps are actually, you know...getting more organized) I have never heard of a corps trying to do so much with so little. Just because it worked in the past doesn't mean it will work now. Bucs changed that game 8 years ago - Minnesota figured it out last year, and it looks like several other corps are at least trying to catch up. Empire either hasn't realized the game is changing, or they have, and just dont care.
I know some of you guys actually have experience with the organization, whereas i'm just making observations, so I wont try and debate with you regarding their history, or what has worked in the past - i'm just talking about what I've seen this year. Honestly - i hope they do well...i would bet on 5th, with a shot at 4th. That said, this certainly seems like an organization at a crossroads, especially what some other folks are saying about the lack of shows in their area...
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Just for the record...
Empire went on for a full show in DCI 1995 in Buffalo, thereby exposing DCA to a full house DCI audience. Westshoremen did the same thing the next year, and Brigs a couple of times as well since then.
I am so glad that you enjoyed DCI, but I never marched in an Empire corps that wasn't trying to WIN DCA!!!! As a proud alum, I find your comments very disturbing. We did all of the same stuff but we also competed to win.
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Performing your fieldshow at a DCI event near your hometown is not the same as taking an entire weekend late in the season to go do standstills and flashmobs at DCI finals in another part of the country for 3-4 days. They also stayed at an amusement part several times during the season, and they obviously did no competitions this weekend (opting for some kind of homeshow), while everyone else went out and got 1 or 2 scores.
So yeah - they can do what they want, and I'm sure they are still working their butts off to do well competitively. I dont really know the grand plan or mission of the group, but one thing is clear, this year especially - you can only stretch yourself so thin before the effects start to become noticable. To the naked eye, they dont really look much different than any other year, but i'm guessing they just lack that polish that comes from a group that performs a 10 minute show together a zillion times over the summer.
I'll be honest in that I haven't been very deeply involved in DCA until about 7-8 years ago, so maybe this kind of rehearsal schedule (or lack thereof) has been done before by a perennial top 3 corps - but thats just my take. Also seems like the have way more holes than usual, which has nothing to do with their schedule /this issue (hell, rehearsing less and taking more trips would make more people want to march, i would think)
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Dont you live in Downingtown, shorty?
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There are a couple of lot videos from outside their audition in Charlotte. If they are any indication, it's no surprise they didn't make TV. They look and sound like every other mini-corps. Very well played, but there's nothing "edge" about it.
I suspect they performed well enough to be kept out of the "gong show" category, but didn't entertain enough to merit TV time. Maybe the AGT site will add videos of groups that didn't make the broadcast at some point.
That was a standstill performance (there was drill normally) for the hotel...of a different song. So no, it wasn't even close...
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I just hope they put the stripe back on the pants.
Hardly anyone even noticed they were gone. Funny how that works, or is it???
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The CADETS wearing 'JAMMIES " is NOT going to make it for me.
This is going to be a train wreck.
Sweet. If this is as accurate as your other predictions and proclamations are on a regular basis, the cadets show will be fantastic!
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It's kinda like saying "everybody is undefeated before the season starts."
Once again, context is lost in typed print.
Still, I'm neither thrilled nor surprised to see that the large gap awarded at Wildwood has stood all the way through the past several weeks, regardless of who is competing in the show that night. I suspect the only time ANY corps comes withing 2-3 points of Reading will be at Prelims/Finals. I'm not saying this from bitter grapes - I'm not marching this season. Heck, the Bucs are from my hometown and I've been in the alumni corps for the better part of two decades! I'm just calling it like I see it. Feel free to disagree, but I really don't think they should be THAT far ahead, (note: winning? YES!), because I don't believe they are THAT MUCH better than their competitors. And I have to start to wonder if the gap is making the other corps jump through hoops, making major changes, because they feel it's the only way to get competitive. If that IS the case, it will certainly play out in the Buc's favor as the others slop through major last-minute re-vamps to see if they can gain any ground.
Yeah...sorry, I kind of read it as "the race for first was over on day 1 of the season, so enjoy fighting for second". I dont even particularly care who wins, as long as its an interesting season, which like you said, is tough when a corps is that far ahead.
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So I can't speak or give my opinion. I am not on here rooting for one corps but all of the corps. I can tell by the responses who are Bucs fans and I think you not having an open mind is classless.
DCP101 - If a person quotes somebody in their post, they are usually refering to them, not to a random person 5 posts by. I can see how that might have confu...wait, no I can't, this is ridiculous
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Why? What he said is correct. The race for EVERY position in this circuit started that day.
If he really meant it that way, then i'll happily apologize, but I have my doubts
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The race for second started on June 19th.
Classy...its people like you deserve the hate you get
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Some of us actually had something to do when the poll was up, I never saw it.....oh well
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Oh well...we dont want your opinion then. Only people who post and follow 24/7 need apply.
(Yeah, this is my first day posting in a month or two...never said I wasnt hypocritical...)
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1991 Blue Devils, but I voted for 1994 Blue Devils......wheres 91 BD ?? The real winner ?
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In the other thread, where it didnt get enough votes to qualify for this tiebreaker. Its ok, I can see how you may have missed that fact, as its only stated once in the poll section, and about 3 times in the thread, including the post immediately before yours...
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Good lord people....read the dang thread. It's been said multiple times that this is a tie-break of a previous poll.
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I always want to do that....probably the most common grammatical error in the english language.
Sorry..I'm aware that was OT.
I doubt it - their are way more common grammatical errors that people like to do. Because I know I saw lots of it when I read this message forum every day.
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Which of course begs the question - what is GE really for? Effectiveness of what? Making what clear? We have 60 points in the scores for technical proficiency and 40 for... what, exactly? For the clarity towards the GE judge himself? What clarity, exactly?
I really think, in my heart of hearts, that this is an easy fix, and one that would reap the greatest rewards - simply adjust GE so that it's rewarding shows for effectiveness towards the audience, not the fairly nebulous standard it seems to be right now. Problem solved.
Mike
I half agree with you, and want things to change, but if we start taking audience effectiveness into account, that means we also start taking audience bias into account. There's little doubt that BD had a championship caliber show this past year (and in 2008), but if we based a huge portion of the score off of 'connecting with the audience', i think there would have been a big drop in score. Would it have mattered?....would some people have been happy to see them lose??....who knows. What I do know is had finals been held in California, or maybe even Denver, BD would have been much better received. For another example....everytime I saw the Cadets in 2007, they got a pretty good reception, especially towards the end of the season once they got really good. Finals though - not a chance. Did they somehow stop connecting with the crowd through any fault of their own?...no - it was just downright displeasure and annimosity, which many bd fans say (i wasnt there) that they dealt with these past two years in the midwest.
Maybe I'm making too much of this, and maybe it wouldnt affect many scores anyway, but at 40% of the total value, even if just a part of that goes to 'connecting with the audience', i think it would create a home field advantage greater than the louisiana superdome or cameron indoor...and thats something I dont want at all.
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That's one year, any other examples?
Well, phantom is 1 for 1 in using electronics in years they were allowed. While I personally hope they dont do it again, we both know how good drum corps are about NOT using things they dont have to....like amps, or trumpets, or.......yeah, nevermind.
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Look at what I have bolded, my reply was to a post saying the use of an ACTUAL violin.
and my reply was to the notion that phantom regiment has acheived their typically successful storytelling through the use of conventional drum corps devices.....which would not include synthesized or acoustic violin sounds in any event. Personally, I'd rather have neither, but given no choice I would actually take the real thing.
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But haven't they stuck with the "traditional" instruments of the activity? - referring to your post mentioning a violin
And don't get me started on voiceovers/narration. And "I Am Spartacus" doesn't count.
No....they have not. For all intensive purposes they put a violin on the field for their preshow this year...and i'll never forget how stunned I was to hear it, and how long it took me to realize it was legal. I know it was a fake, and the sounds were from the pit, but we saw a violin, and we heard violin sounds....how is that 'traditional' to drum corps???
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Vanguard opened their show with a sop playing the Tradition lick. What's wrong with this? Why isn't this good enough anymore?
Have audiences become so stultified that they can no longer "suspend disbelief", so to speak?
Forget drum corps, or whatever you were talking about - That picture in your signature (and the video and story that goes with it) just provided me with 10 minutes of entertainment. Thanks!
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Define this thing you call "telecast."
Has something to do with a telephone, i think, but I've never actually seen one
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Wow, generalize much?
Of course, it's easy to lob snowballs from behind a wall of anonymity.
Shhh...its ok to insult people, as long as you speak in general terms. As long as you dont deservedly call an individual out for being a jerk, its ok....
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Actually, the generation that followed me seems pretty cool
It’s the baby boomers and their baby boomlette that are the problem
the ‘greatest generation’ (WW2 folks) raised the worst generation (baby boomers) as spoiled brats, makes sense after coming out the depression, war and celebrating the spoils of war but many Boomers took their self absorbed and self proclaimed ‘me generation’ and passed it to their kids – those are the freak generations where as most other generations are rather reasonable
So pretty much we just need some more wars (im talking real stuff, not little middle eastern crap) to get some good generations up in here. Of course, the war cant end, otherwise we'll get another crap generation following it - oh well, sacrifices must be made sometimes...
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What, is there a DCP policy that we have to sign our names to everything? Have I broken a rule somewhere? I dont normally enjoy hurcs shows...this year I do - so what? I am not your friend, and I will not pretend to be, again, this doesnt mean there is no place for me or my thoughts here.
The ironic thing is that I admit what I dont know in each my posts - pointing out my lack of knowledge with a certain era of drum corps. Never have I suggested that I know it all, although i obviously know enough to hit close to the mark, otherwise you wouldn't be so up in arms... On top of all that, you accuse me of being a smart###, and then make jokes about playing in traffic and other silly BS. So now, who is the one going off-topic...
Believe it or not, I enjoy empire, and I want them to do well. I dont think every corps should be like them, but the activity could benefit from a few more following their path. They just seem like a corps at a crossroads, thats all. Just because I point out some negative things that I've seen this year doesn't make me a troll or a hater. Check my stats, i've been around and reading for quite a while...