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"They will attempt to destroy anything that differs from their concepts. Not being able to create art, they will not understand art." -Onyx 2011
At Onyx, our intent is to create something new using tools from the past in combination with tools of the future and from other idioms. Certainly we anticipated and welcome discussion, controversy and strong opinions both for and against this direction. We do appreciate your participation.
For sure, the negative comments usually make DCP more interesting and therefore are expected on this forum. It is sad though, in an activity struggling for support from the outside that we attack one another with such hateful comments. It is even more disheartening when the attackers are directors/parents/performers.
Michael Lentz
Onyx
I will start, unlike many, disclosing my identity: Scott Markham (so I don't appear to hide behind a nickname).
Michael,
I'm sure this will be removed immediately, because people are typically not allowed to speak their true opinions in these forums.
I have been polite and respectful when communicating with you...just trying to pick your brain about where you want to take us, and how we may move forward in regards to how we adjudicate/evaluate..and you have began to speak out/attack me publically. I'm sorry I don't love the show, but I do respect your freedom of choice, success, and contributions...I'm just a little disappointed you have responded in such a negative and combative way.
Respectfully, I don't think anyone is attacking you, your staff, or your members. When you choose to try to 'revolutionize' or take great risks, it's going to stir up a lot of discussion; and some of that may be debate or negative opinions. I personally don't think anyone is even talking about your performers; they are challenging your choices and your delivery of those choices...and by taking those great risks, your performers are part of your 'art'. I certainly hope that your students aren't taking the debate or discussions personally. I hope they take great pride in being a part of something that sparks discussion; regardless of medals or not. Many of our beloved groups took huge risks. and never came close to winning...and were/are very proud of their contributions.
If you've ever been to a real art gallery, you know that the purpose is to invoke discussion...the artist is very aware of this. They do not stand by their work and claim how 'standard setting' and 'box 6' it is. I strongly believe the activity decides what sets its standard...not the designers forcing opinions about their own creativity.
Respectfully, my personal thoughts on the production (my opinion...and hopefully, I'm entitled?) do not really concern the content; it's the forceful delivery/message, then your response to the discussion.
You said to me recently (and I quote) "Liking it is not even something I consider when I designed the program.. Moving the art form forward is". But when someone (like me) questions how/why it is 'moving the activity forward', a phrase you are attaching to your art, you seem to chastise them.
Finally, I have a GREAT love for this activity...I love that we all look different and have our own voice. For me personally, much of what I love about guard is omitted from your show (which is part of your message). In regards to the whole 'destroying art thing'...don't you consider some may think you may be doing just that by claiming to "set standards" in a way that somewhat strays from what our activity is conventionally about? Your choices (and awards) don't mean I must think the activity will be changed.
This is what slightly offends me: you communicated to me recently (and I quote): "Box 6 says "Setting new standards" some guards stand around doing rehashed work and visual ideas and expect new reward." For me, I personally don't want my groups to look like yours...but attacking others is exactly what you are speaking out about. Your new form of art is really in it's birth...two years now...prior to that, some could reference your comment about rehashed work and visual ideas about your past work.
Perhaps we are all just in different phases of our creativity and our opinions about where the activity goes...and thank GOD for that. I believe that art is to challenge people...but it is not to force the direction of art.
I'm saddened that I contacted you to learn about your process and then discuss the possibility of changes to our evaluation system based on where you see the artform going...and you perceived my discussion as nothing but an attack. I mean no disrespect to your choices, group, or organization.
Scott Markham
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went off topic......dcp can close if you wish
Yes...please close.
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It is what It is... I also had in the past few years 1 HS world finalists...2x Ind. world finalists and 2 HS finalists in open and A so also from experience .
WGI has alot of good things going for it ( Mostly it's members ) BUT if you don't think there's alot of shady things you are mighty mistaken.
With that said WGI is the only national venue ( For now ) so we push on and hope. Ask some of the judges who left in recent years and ask them why.....I really didn't want to bring all this up and was only commenting on the focus post. Oh and by the way I teach kids with over 10 years experience..soooooo 10 years is not all that much in the big scheme of things....have a good 1
One more thing: with all due respect maybe you can be the future of the activity and make it better. I mean that as a compliment. Help us who are jaded
LOL...everything always has to be a competition. In my "short ten years", I have marched IW finals 5 times, helped teach an IW and SW finalist, and 2 Ind. A finalists (one this past season). I'm proud of the ten years (like kids you teach) I have put into the activity. I am familiar with the judges who "left", and personally I'm not certain it was a bad thing that some of those people bowed out. Again, my opinion.
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LOL You got that right !!!!!!! Nothing is free with WGI although they dream up ways every year to make the non experienced belive so.
"Non experienced"? Well...I can only speak for myself...and as someone with over 10 years of marching, teaching, and directing units that are competitive in WGI, I am quite happy with them. I think they provide members and directors opportunities and services unparalleled in any marching arts venue...and I for one will continue to "pay" to keep them operating. As my father always told me...instead of sitting around complaining, "if you don't like it, don't do it".
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Why was it harsh..Only stated facts.........................what are you the WGI Police...lol.....they usually don't like being called out on things....but again just facts.
No...I write articles for FOCUS, and I know how much work both WGI and In Tune Partners, LLC put into the FREE (and what I think is a fantastic) publication. Are there bound to be mistakes and oversights? Just like in any news publication, including your local newspaper, yes...it is created by human beings. If you think it is so horrible, unsubscribe so WGI doesn't waste their money shipping it to you.
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Got my WGI Focus yesterday and just wanted to send a shout out to the people at WGI office for Focus.
Over the past few years you guys have omitted important details on things or guards, published the WORST pics of some of the winners ( Flan. HS ) just to mention a few things....I think you guys need a person on staff there that screens these things. ( If there is they are doing a poor job ) Now to add to the list. which I thought was funny, look at how you spelled Mia's last name on the title of the artice on her then look on the back cover to see how you spelled it for spinfest....lmao......Now I for 1 rush alot and forget spell check at times but then again I'n not publishing anything...lol.....So add proof reader to the needs.
Wow...harsh post for someone who spells things incorrectly and doesn't use punctuation properly in their bash on WGI/FOCUS. Check your spelling for "I'm" in your last sentence.
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There are still spots available! Contact Scott Markham for more information.
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There are still spots available! Contact Scott Markham for more information.
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Capital Regiment will be hosting auditions for the 2009 season on April 24th through April 26th in Marysville, Ohio. If you are interested in marching, please contact Scott Markham, or visit the corps website for more information: Capital Regiment Drum and Bugle Corps.
After a two year absence from active status, Capital Regiment has been authorized to return to compete in Open Class in the 2009 DCI Summer Music Games tour.
The staff is set, the production is being completed, and interest in membership has been rapidly growing throughout the winter. A few colorguard spots are still available, and we are looking forward to a very exciting April camp. Don't miss out!
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Capital Regiment will be hosting auditions for the 2009 season on April 24th through April 26th in Marysville, Ohio. If you are interested in marching, please contact Scott Markham, or visit the corps website for more information: Capital Regiment Drum and Bugle Corps.
After a two year absence from active status, Capital Regiment has been authorized to return to compete in Open Class in the 2009 DCI Summer Music Games tour.
The staff is set, the production is being completed, and interest in membership has been rapidly growing throughout the winter. A few colorguard spots are still available, and we are looking forward to a very exciting April camp. Don't miss out!
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I heard that juxta moved back to IA this year? but based on that video and considering the time of year, they look very much like a IO group. If they are indeed in IA, they are going to be a very strong unit this season.
Ahhhhh, I can remember the days when juxta was based out of all places: Piqua, OH and always seemed to have a sci-fi related theme.
Juxtaposition is in IO.
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Identity from San Marcos, Texas is competing in Independent A and will be performing "Home On The Range" by Tori Amos.
Staff members include:
Jaime Martinez
Ali Martinez
Keith McKeachie
Kyle Albright
Scott Markham
Visit Identity's website for more information.
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The staff and prospective members of Capital Regiment Drum and Bugle Corps from Columbus, Ohio are extremely excited about their return to the competition field in 2009.
Colorguard members have been auditioning all winter, and final auditions for the colorguard will be held the weekend of April 24th-April 26th...we are expecting a large turnout for the April camp, and the full staff will be present.
Colorguard members are welcome and encouraged to attend the January (9-11), February (13-15) and March (20-22) camps prior to the April Final Audition.
The staff is talented, motivated, and ready for a fantastic season. A complete 2009 corps and colorguard staff list can be here: Capital Regiment Staff List.
If you are interested in marching or auditioning for the Capital Regiment Colorguard and have any questions, you may visit the corps' website or email the colorguard caption head, Scott Markham.
We look forward to seeing you in April!
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The staff and prospective members of Capital Regiment Drum and Bugle Corps from Columbus, Ohio are extremely excited about their return to the competition field in 2009.
Colorguard members have been auditioning all winter, and final auditions for the colorguard will be held the weekend of April 24th-April 26th...we are expecting a large turnout for the April camp, and the full staff will be present.
Colorguard members are welcome and encouraged to attend the January (9-11), February (13-15) and March (20-22) camps prior to the April Final Audition.
The staff is talented, motivated, and ready for a fantastic season. A complete 2009 corps and colorguard staff list can be here: Capital Regiment Staff List
If you are interested in marching or auditioning for the Capital Regiment Colorguard and have any questions, you may visit the corps' website or email the colorguard caption head, Scott Markham at: scott.markham@grandecom.net.
We look forward to seeing you in April!
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Welcome back CR - best wishes!
Will we hear "Powder Puff Girls" yelled from the stands again this year, or is the guard going to be coed?
We will be offering spots based on talent, not gender.
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Capital Regiment Drum and Bugle Corps from Columbus, Ohio will be holding colorguard auditions in November and December for the corps' return to the field in 2009. Please visit www.capitalregiment.org for more information, or email: scottmarkham@capitalregiment.org.
If you are not sure you are able to make auditions because of travel issues, have no fear! Send an email for options.
This is shaping up to be a very exciting time for the corps and colorguard, and we would like you to have an opportunity to be a part of it all!
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Capital Regiment Drum and Bugle Corps from Columbus, Ohio is currently seeking performers interested in auditioning for the corps' return in 2009. Please visit www.capitalregiment.org for more information including camp dates and staff lists, or send an email to scottmarkham@capitalregiment.org.
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Capital Regiment Drum and Bugle Corps from Columbus, Ohio is currently seeking performers interested in auditioning for the corps' return in 2009. Please visit www.capitalregiment.org for more information including camp dates and staff lists, or send an email to scottmarkham@capitalregiment.org.
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Who won the DCI Director Of The Year award?
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Yes, the guard is progressing nicely and the uni's are just part of the picture.
However... Even some of the guys who are rather buff don't look so good in just the white shirt. The look with the jacket open and the sleeves pushed up is a lot better, and not just because some of the guys aren't buff enough to carry off a muscle-t. They lose presence with just the white t, so it would be nice if they put the jackets back on prior to the closer. They have a ballsy closer now, and the guard is in the wussy t's... doesn't make sense.
Changing and adding color wouldn't be so difficult if it had been planned earlier. In prior years, there was a jacket change that allowed for the black early on and a different color later in the show. Oh well... hopefully the designers learned something from this uniform style... sometimes things look much better in pen and ink than they do on live bodies of different shapes and sizes. Chalk this uni up to the "lessons learned" category. Jackets on looks great, jackets off has to be one of the worst looks in Madison's history.
Linda-we finally agree on something. When you sit down to "design" the uniform, you have a good idea of who is going to be in the colorguard (and what their bodies are shaped like)...I'm really not sure who would think that a white muscle shirt would be a good look for this colorguard (even in "pen and ink"). It would have been real easy to change these tops. As I have said before, you can cut them off the pants and change them out, or dip them in fabric dye. Not hard at all...it's been done many times before. But...I don't think they will change the week of finals unfortunately.
Hopefully "things" are designed and planned a little better next season (starting in the winter) as to not have to "climb the mountain" the entire season. It would be nice to see the Scouts in the position of the '05 corps...battling with that top six.
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It's a very tight race now...
9. Glassmen...86.75 (7/30)
10. BK...86.70 (7/30)
11. Boston...84.95 (7/30)
12. Madison....84.60 (7/30)
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13. Xmen…84.45 (7/30)
14. Colts...84.10 (7/30)
Xmen and Colts don't perform at Allentown until Saturday, so they get an extra day to practice as well as not going head-to-head with Madison. Poor planning on DCI's part, IMHO.... Hopefully Madison can jump Boston at Allentown!
Talk about a nail-biter this season!
GO SCOUTS!!!!!
"Poor planning on DCI's part"? Are you kidding me with this?
The order of appearance is determined first by splitting the World Class groups over two nights and then figured by the competitive results of the Atlanta event in combination with a random draw in groups of three (1-3 ranked corps, 4-6 ranked corps, etc.).
This is how it's done...this is how it has been done. Sometimes you go on Friday night, sometimes you go on Saturday night. DCI should take into effect people that should or shouldn't "get an extra day of rehearsal" and who should "go head-to-head"? Gimme a break! In MY opinion, if you aren't ready for Allentown by Friday evening, an extra day of rehearsal, which actually turns out to only be a block or two (not a "full day" of rehearsal) for those earlier corps...well...then. The few hours of rehearsal are not going to help groups create a huge upset. That's the excitement of Allentown (being that it is the week before DCI); there is a little suspense going into the Quarterfinals.
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Just a visual to "back up" my "observations":
Show Crossmen Scouts Margin
[7/26/08] Atlanta, GA [Afternoon] 16.90 16.20 0.70
[7/19/08] San Antonio [Afternoon] 16.50 15.60 0.90
[7/17/08] Dallas, TX 16.00 14.70 1.30
Glassmen Scouts Margin
{7/26/08] Atlanta, GA [Afternoon] 17.30 16.20 1.10
[7/23/08] Van Buren, AR 16.70 15.70 1.00
[7/21/08] Wichita Falls, TX 16.60 15.60 1.00
[7/19/08] San Antonio [Afternoon] 16.70 15.60 1.10
[7/7/08] Louisville, KY 15.20 13.70 1.50
[7/5/08] Kalamazoo, MI 15.60 13.10 2.50
I will leave this thread before I get kicked off for having observations that are not popular with all of you.
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Wow... talk about over reacting... take a few from the bottle marked "CHILL".
You bash the Scouts guard, on their own thread no less, with your comment that "Glassmen and Crossmen's guards blow the Scouts' out of the water", and then take huge offense when I point out that the Crossmen's guard was very dirty in San Antonio and say that's disrespectful? Statement of fact, my friend... they were not clean, and therefore not blowing anyone out of the water.
Statement of fact huh? I really wouldn't consider you a "say-all-be-all" based on some of your previous comments about how the activity operates/ should operate. I did not take offense at all about Crossmen's guard being dirty in San Antonio, as I could see with my own two eyes that their show (in the colorguard caption) is designed better. As I said, I appreciate your enthusiasm, but Crossmen's guard are scoring better than Scouts guard...on a consistent basis...and that's what my (opinions), and more importantly, observations are based on.
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Um... just a reminder that you're posting on a SCOUTS thread here...
Guard isn't the only piece of the puzzle, and the guard scores are improving daily. Yeah, yeah... different judges and all, but still they are showing measurable improvement.
Again, the guard isn't the only piece of the puzzle, although it seems so easy for people to pick on. The "oh, we're not winning because the guard sucks" argument is getting old... they're no longer the lowest scoring caption, and have improved greatly even in the short time since the Dallas show. I thought Xmen had verrrrry dirty guard drill at the San Antonio show (yes, I was there, not watching it online).
So, we should use the "Scouts thread" to put other people's shows down? I'm sure the boys are not being taught that kind of disrespectful behavior at Madison...they are taught to respect their competition and support their peers (at least they used to be).
Yes, guard isn't the only piece of the puzzle...that was my exact point...drill difficulty should not be the only thing used to compare Scouts to Crossmen or Glassmen. Thanks for helping me get my point across.
NO ONE is saying they aren't improving.
Sorry...I have been teaching colorguard for ten plus years, and yes, I too was in San Antonio as well--Scouts and Crossmen's colorguards...not even comparable (at least in the afternoon show that I watched). Overall design is a large part of the score remember...not just the cleanliness of the choreography.
The Onyx thread
in CGP General Discussion
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Trish: I think you are a coward. You let one person dictate what people are allowed to discuss about our art form and activity. Forums are for discussions. This is an artform. If Mike Lentz does not want to be upset by people responding to his work, he should not look here. And, unfortunately for his wonderful performers, I will not be sitting through Onyx's show...or any kind of pompous webforum that he chooses to do. The way he has handled all of this is reflective of someone I will not look up to as a leader in this activity; and I know MANY that feel the same way. Please get a grip about your position on these forums. You try to assert your place in colorguard by controlling what people discuss...and that's a pretty ridiculous contribution.