CavAlum
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My point is simple. Why have them if the guards do not use them or treat them with respect like a real rifle or saber? Would you be tossing a saber and catching it with 2 hands (one on the blade)? Would you be dancing with a real rifle (sometimes it almost looks like guards coddle them).
As long as the Safety is set I don't care how they twirl/spin the thing.
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Well, Francesca talked me into going to ATL to see the show!
Can any of the "local Atlantians" recommend a decent/safe/inexpensive place to stay, close to a MARTA rail line?
The Hilton downtown is great and not that expensive. We walked to the show through the park. Won't make that mistake again. Take a taxi. Skip Marta.
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You're acting as if DCP has been wrong in its placement predictions before...
Have they? How could they have been, with all the experts assembled here?
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Will this combined weekend score determine performance order for Thursday or is it an averaging of all regional placements?
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Your first two sentences contradict each other in a big way. Of course your defense of Cavies hornline has something to do with other corps. You said it yourself above. No corps I've mentioned is "my group" and in the end, playing on the march for a hornline is a great and valid discussion to have within the realm of discussing great hornlines.
Let it go. In my last post when I said, "It is obivious I am wasting my time, " uh yeah, that meant I'm done debating this.
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And I am pointing out that a couple of other corps, using said criteria, would probably still come out on top of, or be even with Cavies.
Nice opinoin, however, myy posts have not been about other corps or placements. I have only attempted, in vain, to defend this shows difficulty compared to others using multiple musical criteria. I am through however. It is obvious I am wasting my time. I will visit the alumni forum next weekend so I can congratulate my group for a great season (regardless of placement) without having to deal with the "my group played more notes while moving comments."
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But the Romans ruled for over 1000 years...so...if you want to talk about a threat...GO SPARTACUS!!!
It was quite the empire.
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Your post here infers (at least to me) that the other corps in the top 4 don't match up in terms of tq, sonority, control, etc in the hornline, and/or don't have good physical demand. I disagree. Those other hornlines, Crown and PR specifically, have plenty of physical demand, play with much more power (when needed) in their shows, and play with a wonderfully blended sound.
I've infered nothing, as I have not mentioned any other corps in my posts. I was merely pointing out to WMC85 some other musical criteria he might ad to his evaulation of horn lines other than number of notes played and volumes reached.
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16 - Blue Devils
24 - Blue Stars
21 - Bluecoats
10 - Boston Crusaders
25 - Carolina Crown
20 - Crossmen
32 - Madison Scouts
07 - Mandarins
27 - Phantom Regiment
03 - Pioneer-
27 - Santa Clara Vanguard+
24 - Troopers
Credit Vanguard, Tick Pioneer
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Stop getting your g-strings in a wad b/c people state the obvious.
My g-string is fine thanks for asking. I entered this discussion because a newby with two weeks experience and 15 posts shared with us his wisdom that the green team didn't have a difficult show. Two other experts in the field jumped in to inform me that they didn't have enough notes in their show, and that they didn't play loud enough.
My only goal in this discussion was to point out that there is more to consider than notes and volume when determining the difficulty of a horn book.
Re-read my posts carefully. I have not defended placement, argued brass scores, or implied that they should be scoring any differently in brass than they are. I was simply defending the shows demand, regardless of how they place.
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You know, I once heard that Samuel Barber was told that he needed to re-write adagio for strings because it didn't have enough demand.
Thank goodness he didn't listen.
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CavAlum - Agreed, and I don't think I suggested the brass judge does count the notes. If they did, Cavies hornline would be outside the top 12 - period. However, my issue was with the demand (and lack of it) in their horn book. Perhaps you can turn the sarcasm button off and discuss?
Button Off. In your last two post you've moved this corps out of the top 7, then top, 5, and now top 12. The only criteria you have used to assess the horn line is "not enough notes or power," while giving credit to two groups that have done a good job of maximizing their power without losing control (your opinion). I have already pointed out that there are many things to consider musically other than note quantity and volume, not to mention the other physical demands on the performers. You agreed that "the tuning, tonal quality and balance within the Cavies brass is top notch," then instantly reverted to a volume and note quantity argument. Your mind is made up about what constitutes demand, and you probably won't change it.
However, for the sake of discussion I will share my opinions with you.
I think 32nd note slured runs in the mello's are pretty and impressive. However, Holding a 32 count chord on the 5th partial of that mello in tune is more demanding. Playing a power chord as loud as you can without losing control (totally a matter of personal taste btw) is pretty and impressive. Achieving balanced crescendo's and decrescendo's with clean releases while spread between the 10's is more demanding.
Dicsuss?
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There's not enough notes or power compared to some of the other corps.
While the timing and penalties judge does count members on the field, I'm fairly certain the brass judge isn't instructed to count notes.
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When you are talking about a sheer notes while marching form of evaluation, yes, both crown and pr easily win out of the top 4.
Like I said, I'll watch them again. And I'll take time to count the notes this time. Silly me, I was focusing on tone quality, sonority, tuning, balance, blend, . .. ya know, Musicality. I'll count the notes and get back to you.
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I'm curious where you got the statistics for points 1,2, and 5?
Made them up I'm sure.
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Plus I think PR and Crown have more difficult . . . shows this year.
I'll have to watch them all again. Not sure I agree with that evaluation.
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DATR show could turn into a Cubs home game and by the time BD or Cavies march, you have a few fans that are hammered and yelling all kinds of "stuff" during performances. JMHO.
I resemble that remark . . . People always yell stuff, drunk or not. I remember a finals where beer was served.
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If the new ending goes in for Cadets and is a little bumpy still (read George's blog for more on what the changes are), Crown may get them by a smidge tonight.
The Cadets aren't angry, they're focused. I had the pleasure of viewing ensemble rehearsal last night. They rehearsed well and I liked what I saw. I'm not sure how the scores will play out, but I think they will be ready.
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The Cadets - Excerpts from the book on tape: "Chicken Soup for the Teenage Soul"
Brilliant
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I loved the fact that brass players were able to control their breath enough to speak clearly and distinctly after running around for 3 minutes.
The narration worked! It was a flawless program that was new, interesting, and entertaining. I'm glad to see Cadets stirring the pot again.
Let's go back to that classic show, 1993 Star of Indiana. When they performed that show, people HATED it...but oh look, nearly everyone does some form of body movement now.
Why does Star keep getting credit for the body movement trend. Happened pre-93, and by quite a few groups.
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So, was there booing on Friday Night? It's been quiet about that tonight.
The reality was that people were tired after a long day of dc, and had a bad case of the stadium a$%.
The booing was for the delay on Thursday, and only worsened by the perception of Hopkins reaction to it (p.s., he did the right thing).
So, with painting delays after every 4 corps, and advanced warning of such, was the crowd understanding? Or was there still booing?
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The Cavaliers may be known for their marching, but not this year. They were filthy.
See recap.
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Actually according to the official score sheet, Cadets & Cavies pretty much split the visual aspect tonight...with or without the penalty.
Cheers,
Sean
w/Stp:
Cavies - vis performance, vis effect, guard
Cadets - vis ensemble
3 to 1 is no split.
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They played Mvts. I and IV. The music isn't new, they just haven't fielded the drill yet.
Cavies / Coats going for the gold ?
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Of course you're wrong. No one tries to beat the blue devils.