jamesjones0611
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You are funny.
If you folks knew who Bruckner8 is, you'd find it even more funny.
I agree with Bruckner8; the Bluecoats have the best contra parts in world class. The parts are also played very well.
I agree with a previous poster though; nobody plays doughnut music better than Crown.
doughnuts in the tubas, yeah, for sure. But if you suggest that Crown has had anything but the hardest overall brass music the past 2-3 years..I'd have to question your musical integrity.
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The Blue Devils' tuba section is "The Line".
Crown's tuba section recently has been nicknamed "Sweet 16"
Oh, my favorite joke off a composer's name? Brohannes Jahms.
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<but he also stays almost exactly true to the original tuba parts>
I would think that, with most band and orchestral composers, this trait alone would disqualify the contra line from contention for 'best' based on the criteria I outlined in my previous post (with which all are free to disagree...).
Many legit tuba parts are quite boring...that's when they exist at all. Many fine works relegate the tuba to a sub-minor role in the overall impact of the composition. Some great works leave the tuba out all together (I don't believe Rossini wrote for the tuba...perhaps the ophicleide...and Rossini was central to a recent Crown show...).
So - drum corps does their contra players a HUGE disservice if they simply transcribe the orchestral tuba part. A wind ensemble work will mostly likely have better (much better, usually) original tuba parts from which to work.
The Bluecoats have recently used pop music as their 'source' material. No tuba parts (electric bass, of course...but let's just NOT go there...) - but the contras ended up with amazing parts...all due to the arranger.
Well, you're entitled to your opinion.
I have mine. Mine is that the best arrangers keep the composer's intent in mind when writing. Could Crown's tubas have played something cooler in 2008 during Candide? Sure. But thats not what Bernstein wrote.
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The worst part is that they'll permanently ban you, and then when you message or email them asking why, they never respond, or give you any reason as to why they did it.
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<Well, Bluecoats are in world class, not open.
And who's better? Blue Devils and Crown both have better tuba lines, IMO.>
Yep - you got me..I'm not up to date on the latest label for Division 1 -
Here's why I think coats have the best contra line:
If it's a given that to be evaluated at all, a section has to have something to play, I believe it then follows that the quality of the parts contribute to a section's greatness, or however short of that they fall.
I will certainly agree that both BD and Crown have outstanding contras. They simply could not make their lines without being exemplary players. The Bluecoats, however, seem to relish the low end. They have an arranger that both understands what contras can do - as well as what they 'should' be able to do, in the right hands. He writes for the 'should'. He pushes them to excel and reach for more than; certainly more than BD usually asks for.
The writing for Crown is VERY similar to Bluecoats, in that there is an understanding of the pyramid of sound - a recognition that there should be more bottom than top. BD has (almost) always been about more top than bottom...which works for them.
So - my nod goes to Bluecoats: because they have the best parts...and they play them VERY well.
I'd give the nod to Crown. Not only does Klesch write parts for the horns that truly balance the hornline well, but he also stays almost exactly true to the original tuba parts. Klesch is more of a straight transcription kind of guy, and I definitely prefer that to the "drum corps" arrangements that are present nowadays.
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there is NO one director radically looking to change things?
um, maybe not in this year's proposals. But he may have waited before proposing some old ideas again
You have no idea what you're talking about. George doesn't want woodwinds in DCI. He only proposes those radical changes so that the less-radical ones don't seem so crazy.
Heard it from his own mouth.
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I'll second that 'best contra line in Open Class' assertion -
Go ahead and disagree, but I'd love to hear who you believe is better...
Well, Bluecoats are in world class, not open.
And who's better? Blue Devils and Crown both have better tuba lines, IMO.
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In the end, it's just f-ing marching band.
Always has been, always will be.
QFT.
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Yep.
Nah. Not really.
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Drum corps is important?
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Too bad they didn't have this back in the day. I can see '75 Madison's approach: "Our approach this year will be to suck all the air out of the stadium, and then use it to peel your faces off for the next 13 minutes."
"And make sure to listen for our bad tone quality!!!"
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imo, BEST in DCI
Maybe in 2007. Recently though...ehhhhh.
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. That some drum corps staffs encourage this disdain is no surprise because for many DCI corps it has NEVER been about the fans or entertainment.
This is probably the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard. In fact, I don't know of a SINGLE drum corps that doesn't have the fans in mind when designing a show.
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DCP never was important .
It was a great site to post updates and reports.
BUT....
Corps are telling staffs , alumni , and members who attend camps NOT to post on DCP.
THEY GET BASHED too often . Flamers and Bashers have ruined it for all.
Now all you get is " we will be ready when the season starts " and "the food was good "
HAPPY ?
You're probably most guilty of this. You, FANOFNIGHT/LOUIELOUIE/DCIFAN2002...and all the other names you used to post on that got banned. This place is full of people like you that make awful comments about the kids that THEY have to read during the summer when they're trying to put on a show for YOU...its pretty sad.
In other news, this place still doesn't mean anything.
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I disagree with that. I would say the "casual" DCI fan probably doesn't know DCP exists.
But it sure does matter that we all get the fact that YOU think DCP doesn't matter and that everything here is crap, right?
I hope you're laughing right now... or do you want to flame back on me? Because my comment here in response to yours doesn't matter... and it never will matter. Right?
Hell no it doesn't matter what I think. Its just drum corps guys.
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DCP doesn't matter. It has never mattered. Half the crap on here is just b.s. brought up by idiotic fans with the intention of pissing other people off. I come here to get my laughs.
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Brilliant, I'd love to hear the contras again instead of just synth.
I had a good chuckle at this, well done.
I don't know about you, but I think can think of a certain corps from Fort Mill and a certain corps from Concord that you could hear the tubas pretty darn well, and they used the synths extensively.
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Somewwhat on the flip side of that..... I've been involved with the drum corps activity in one way or another since 1967 (scary thought....LOL).... and I thought Carolina Crown's horn line in 2009 was the best drum corps horn line I've ever heard.
Fran
ditto.
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I don't like the age proposal. I know there are many corps that don't look too fondly on not aging out at that specific corps, and there's no way most people are gonna march and extra season...they have to get on with their lives. Crown for example...if you march 4 years with the corps, but don't march your ageout, then you're not allowed to sit in their brass circle, simply because you didn't age out with the corps. This would screw over a lot of people.
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I heard it was going to be the Cleveland Orchestra in the pit :)
They're on strike, so I don't think so.
Er...WERE on strike.
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http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=...5127&ref=nf
Crown just posted a "thank you" video on the Chase page thanking everyone for voting so far. Its a preview of their 2010 encore version of the end of the 2007 show "Triple Crown" which they WILL be playing this summer.
I think it sounds really great. Although I REALLY wish they'd post some of the show stuff. Hopefully that will come soon.
And is that a BATON I see Crown's DM using? Awesome!
*Edited because the link was wrong.
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i'll drink to that. if i want "musical," i'll go see the philharmonic. when i want drum corps, i'll dial in the cadets.
This is a sad statement, and is the reason that drum corps will NEVER be respected by the true musicians in the likes of the NY Phil and such. People of that caliber that respect drum corps as a musical activity are few and far between.
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*Double post*
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Troll.
Because apparently good tuning is not a part of musicality to this person.
Good tuning really has nothing to do with musicality. Just because a tuner can play pitches perfectly tuned doesn't mean that the sound itself is musical. It takes ebb and flow, rise and fall, precise phrasing that doesn't disrupt the melody, proper display of melodic content, and a huge number of other factors to be musical.
I'm not trolling. I'm giving my opinion that the modern day Cadets aren't musical. Two former Cadets members of the modern era have already come on here and stated in this thread that there is no room for musicality in drum corps. I rest my case.
Bluecoats Camp
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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Did you hear Slalom this past year? After listening to that piece, how can you even begin to say that their brass book doesn't have the meat of those other corps. There were more runs and double tonguing in Slalom than in the Cadets and Blue Devils shows put together last year.