behold888
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Starting this early is going to get it up to 27 pages before Friday!
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Sometimes he watches corps from up in the audience?
He needed to escort his corps on to the field in the time frame of other corps? (warm up, pep talk,e tc)
Restroom? Hot dog? Blog post?
Lots of reasons.
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Yeah I hear that a lot. But that was my rookie year and it was the year that almost made me quit drum corps altogether.
Needless to say, thank God I didn't.
99? I heard some rather questionable rumors about that year. Overall, not a pleasant experience from what I gather.
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Well, IMO, 4th was still too high for that show. Anyone else doing that show even with similar execution levels is looking at 6th or lower, guaranteed! Just so you don’t think I hate all things BD, to me, BD 88 was AWESOME!
I feel the same for BD 99. My first favorite drum corps show, along with SCV 99.
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Really? Really? Umm yes, I am stating that the "obvious" differences are not necessarily in execution but rather programming. Of course a corps that doesn’t move as much visually should sound really good compared to a corps such as the Cadets who is all over the place. It doesn’t mean that the Cadets aren’t good or the corps that doesn’t move as much is good. It’s a matter of, is the corps receiving the appropriate credit for what they are trying to do? Conversely, is a corps getting too much credit for doing (comparatively) nothing? This is where I struggle. I appreciate the Blue Devils musically. But feel their visual program is not on par with a lot of the other corps. Let’s go down a few points to the Regiment for example. To be honest, their visual program really isn’t much to write home about. But they are at least moving for most of their show in a fashion that places additional responsibilities on the performers. I can’t say this for BD. But they are getting the scores in visual that I don’t understand. Of course “proficiency” should be high, but why is the “design” score so high? Hey, I’m defending Cadets here! Why you busting my chops? I think they should and will be closer to Cavaliers than BD by seasons end. I also think Crown should round out the top three, but I just don’t see the “community” dropping BD to 4th, even if that’s what they deserve.
Of course it's a competition. However, when perception/reputation is taken into consideration, which I believe it is, then the playing field is not level, and some corps will be given more credit than they deserve while others will not. "Regiment has never had a decent visual program. Guess it's going to suck again this year." "BD's show designs have always been AWESOME! Guess it will be great again this year." Really? Really?
Don't make me rant again!
Well when they deserve 4th, they get 4th. see 2005
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I may have missed something, but...
Where are the scores on dci.org for the TOC show? I'd like to see the recap.
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He got you there
All the twitter nay-sayers are envious now... lol
but I had a funny feeling that Cadets would move up tonight, after playing 6th from the end last night. We'll see if this lasts. Hope it does!
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i understand where you're coming from, but i still feel thats a very bold prediction seeing as how:
1) the (current) gap between them and the #1 spot is pretty big.
2) the chances of the cavaliers getting worse are slim to none
Do i like their show? Of course i do. Do i think they have a shot? Yes.
all i'm saying is they have a lot working against them right now.
Yes yes. Let it be known, I didn't start the thread, but I am as wishful of a thinker as any other Cadets fan/alumn!
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Not very familiar with this individual or his story - any insight into his DCI career or why he stopped?
He's a legend and dare I say a master teacher. He is the caption supervisor and arranger for Scouts, but not the caption head. The caption head is Nick Angelis, a former student of Thom from UMass.
It's a shame the Scouts got 12th in drums last night. One staple of Thom's writing style is that there is a lot of space in the battery music he writes, much more than other arrangers.
Thom's other claims to fame include his tenure with the Cadets, including the 1987 perfect drum score, along with other drum trophies, including Star of Indiana 1993. He was also a significant contributor to the first incarnation of Blast!
He teaches at UMass and became the director of the marching band upon the passing of George Parks in September. He is back to being the assistant band director there after a nationwide search for a band director.
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Cadets will win this year? That's a pretty bold statement.
I think they are more in the hunt than you think. I think performing 6th from the end last night did not work in their advantage... and they did not have a good show.
We'll see what happens tonight. Spots 2-4 are certainly up for grabs right now... the #1 spot will have to be fought for.
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Say what you will, but I was there in 2007, in front of the brass line (in the pit) and man, they were loud (and good)!
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I am going to use two types of shows, as there are different corps whose style helps create the perfect show.
i think the first element to the perfect show is a common denominator: The perfect show matches the show theme/concept to their identity,. That said, it may draw on their traditions, while at the same time being innovative. Jeff Fieldler"s commentary during tthe 91 Cavaliers vignette, Mark Sylvester"s commentary during BK's Quarterfinals performance last year...this commentary to me is incredibly impressive and true..show to identity is where it all begins and ends.. True, some corps change identities,. But in our minds as fans, we have a general idea of what to expect from most corps.
The two types of shows:
Classical/ Serious
Example of Composers to Show Style: Walton, Rutter, Tchaikovsky, Mahler, Barber, Bernstien and Adams
Identites that associate the motif; Star of Indiana, Cadets, Phantom Regiment, Cavaliers, SCV, and BK
Elements in the show that define Perfection;
1. Drill design
A. sets that utilize entire field
B. Staging of brass and percussion- drill design completely matching music. Think Zingali, Brubaker, Gaines, Sylvester, and Weber.
C, Drill is not written primarily for staging of guard, percussion, or props... but rather to challenge the horn line in physical demand of playing while marching.
2. Horn Book emphasizes:
A. Low Brass in points of impact...not just high soprano.
B. Mellophones....they steal the show. Phenomenol melodic parts, mixed with 16th runs-Their presence makes you cry due to their elegance, while also giving you goosebumps due to
their precision..ie; Star and Cadets.
C. Soprano- Providing impact and execution to the book. While mellos are stealing the show, soprano parts carry the technical aspects of the book. echoing the 16th note runs of the mellos, or Triple tounging.
Percussion
a, Serve as accompaniments to the horn book...not 2 to 3 consecutive minutes of battery, mixed with front ensemble runs...while horns march silent drill.
b. do not overpower horn line.....ie; battery stands backfield or is lightly used during ballad.
C. Drum solo exists....but it is not more than 1 minute. In this type of show, horn line must carry it.
Guard:
1. dignified...class...
2. precision..as precise as the brass in terms of execution
3. No Lady Gaga like motifs...less party...less broadway in dance ...more emphasis on tossing, throws, flag work, and bringing out the emotional/dramatic elements that are present in the
music.
Overall : This show is never the one you are left humming after you leave the stadium. It is the one though, that made you feel challenged. The one that displayed a triumph or epiphany
ultimately, this show makes you listen, and be amazed at the outcome. Accentuated with an ending that tied all the dramatic and emotional elements together.
Second Style:
Popular,broadway, and "feel good:"
Corps whose identities embody this style: Blue Devils, Madison Scouts, Crossmen, Crown, Bluecoats, Colts and Spirit of Atlanta
Examples of composers whose musical style they may use: Lloyd Weber, Buddy Rich, Ellis, Top 40, Metheny, Bernstein, Corea, Porter...etc.
Drill Design and Visual Style:
A. Incorporates all elements of the corps, and gives each section of the corps their moments
B. Props add to this show, to help entertain the crowd and bring forth the theme
c. Many moments where the horn line is in a block...emphasizes moments of parking it and tearing the paint off the stadium.
d. the show is less about physical demands of drill..more about melodic passages and letting all elements of the corps display showmanship.
Brass:
not necessarily louder, higher, faster....more melodic, relaxed and providing a great swing, soul, and groove.
Low Brass; Soloists in the Bari section add a bit of darkness to the composition...otherwise low brass is creating the groove and harmony in the book.
Mellos: Unlike " classical serious" they carry the melody with and help provide key chord structure. May have featured parts during the show...particularly in the ballad
Sopranos :Carrying the whole thing- Soloists, screamers, and colorful parts that create beautiful moments of melody. This type of show...everyone remembers the sopranos for their phenomenal parts and soloists.
Percussion:
1. Drumming to groove. Groove caries the show, May have over the top moments in battery....think 93 Madison Strawberry Soup... battery is loose in interpretation...bobbing heads while playing, (Crossmen 90's) Playing to crowd....and overall throwing down. Basically, this type of show they can act like the rockstars they are
2. A grooving cymbal line with some creative moves of their own.....this is a must.
3. while drums have their moments....they don't own this show. Less WGI like moments where they play for 2 to 3 consecutive minutes...Moreso providing groove and driving the vehicle
4. jazzy/soulful piano work in synth. I am really starting to love this...ie: 2011 Crown, BD , and Madison's Alicia Keyes riff in Empire State of Mind.
Guard:
Guard
1. Not necessarily telling a story..as these types of shows don't need to tell a story. Rather guard is providing the fun of the show though dance, spin, and costume.
2. Emotion in guard connects with audience and sells the show. Particularly in moments where they can get into dancing through the groove the horn line and drums are providing.
Overall;
This type of show is the "striving to" programming method.Whereas winning the crowd actually wins the show. It is a style, that sometimes makes us think...but really, only if we overanalyze it. It is meant to give the performers a chance to have fun while performing. Through that fun, it makes the crowd smile. It to me, is what the corps who are known for it, need to be doing more of. It helps provide the balance to the seriousness of the activity.
C.
Bravo... thank you.
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Being innovative, daring, running your ### of, all the while executing brilliant musicianship...or to put it more simply, be XtraordinarY. (as always)
be careful, the grammar and spelling police are out tonight
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1) Receiving the highest score.
$1 to Jeff Ream
Well that didn't take long...
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I guess I'll be the first to reply and say that there is no such thing as a perfect show, but we all have tastes. Similarly, there is no such thing as a perfect composition, or a perfect choreograhy.
However, I like fast stuff, marching fast, and I also like warm luscious brass/pit moments as well. One of my favorite ballad moments is Cadets 2005 that had the rhythmic groove throughout. Truly a unique moment.
So there ya go.
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The newest video that was posted today is great! It's nice to see corps members having some unorthodox fun during a break.
Allow me to explain what is happening... each year the Cadets pit has a relay. It's not a widely known event throughout the corps, and they usually have to keep it a secret from the rest of the corps as it is happening, but that's what that was.
You wouldn't find horns/drums/guard members with that much energy during breaks... lol
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If you were to create *THE PERFECT* drum corps show, what would that mean for you? What would be in it? How much would the brass play and march? etc. etc.
I see people throwing around their opinions about how Blue Devils do this, and Cavaliers do that, and Boston should do this, and Spirit is finally doing that.
Have some fun, don't slit each other's throats.
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What makes a DCI champion?
Make a wish list, make a list of reasons, factors, etc. that you think make a DCI champion.
Please note: the question is NOT "describe your perfect show". I'll create that one later (for laughs
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From what I have been hearing tonight;
12th) Troopers 77.50
13th) Spirit 77.35
14th) Glassmen 76.3
15th) Colts 75.0
Believe it!
I imagine this is not official?
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Love for the Cadets, people. That's all I'm trying to spread.
- Fact: this theme has been done before.
- Fact: they are awesome.
- Fact: it's okay to disagree with Hopkins and each other.... but let's be happy, huh?
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- Fact: this theme has been done before.
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Please give me what you guys are smoking! SCV has only beaten PR once this season. SCV beat Madison straight up just a few days ago.... but today SCV and Madison will jump PR?
LOL
Oh, and PR is going on 4th from last?
This isn't going to happen. It MAY happen before the end of the season, but it would be highly unlikely today.
(oh well, I guess with the judging panel tonight, you aren't that crazy--but still!)
Maybe you're right, but SCV seems to be charging forward. look out!
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I'm not sure of the postions but I pretty certain that the "overate eight" will finish in the top eight. Let the slotting begin.
NO! there's no way they could snub Madison like that, it'd be WAYYY too obvious.
That said, I always thought regionals didn't see many score spikes, if anything, we'll be surprised at how low the numbers are, compared to how they may have been inflated in the past week. Doesn't it always seem to work that way?
So, 87 is too high, I think it will be x<86 where x=top score. Anyone up for some maths?
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As the thread creator you *can* ask a MOD to shut things down any time you like :-) Just press REPORT on a post in the thread then ask the mods to close it because it's gone too far off topic.
Sometimes just asking nicely gets the thread back on topic -- sometimes it doesn't. Wanted to let you know that you have the option as the OP !
Oh ok.
I'll just play the "New to DCP" card on that one... lol
Well, all that being said, let's keep it on a positive note guys. Electronics?
What electronics?
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And this thread is about to spasm into YATAE (yet another thread about electronics) so unless you think DCP needs another (it doesn't :-) I'd just close it right now
It's a shame, I was hoping to spread the Cadets love...
ugh...
Cavaliers so called "gimmicks".
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