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They are the 8 best from the prior year according to the rules currently governing the activity. No more than that. But thats not the point.
Maybe it wasn't the absolute 8 best, but it was certainly 8 of the best and therein lies the positive experience. I will forever defend the effort put forth by students of that corps who placed 32nd the prior year, and there's a place for that, and I'll pay mony to see it. But having 8 of the best at a show thats not a regional or finals is a great experience.
Good take.
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Granny: I've received a grant to explore the introduction of holograms to the field. Some day, my hope is all music will be pre-recorded by professional musicians and all marching will be done through the use of holography. The guard work will be computer generated. We'll all go sit in the comfort of our homes, put on 3-D headsets and will enjoy PERFECT drum corps performances from every corps. Wilson III, the grandsonputer of IBM's Wilson who won at Jeopardy will process it all and declare a winner. No gasoline expense for the corps, no sunburn, no bad seats.
Nice. Then we could all use our artificial interface chips to digitally rant on Dcp.
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Somebody posted a "wisecrack" idea on another thread and I thought I'd break it out into a new thread because while it's a bit hyperbolic (for now), isn't it the ultimate conclusion to what has been started by allowing synths?
I know this was a wisecrack, but what if a corps actually did something like that? Okay...maybe they wouldn't ever actually record their entire show, but how long will it be until they record different parts of their show to "overlay" on the parts being played with the use of a keyboard? Perhaps they are doing an obscenely difficult drill and playing at the same time and they need to "supplement" the sound to cover their feet.
Really...how far out is this?
I don't think this could ever happen because amplified material must still be "performed" in real time by a corps member. Whereas the introduction of Bb horns, amplification, etc. reshape the integrity of the activity, this would effect the integrity of performance. IMHO, I don't see that ever happening.
For example, a virtuosic trumpet feature that is prerecorded would not be able to be cued by the push of a synth button.
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Very well said!
What's with the "woe is me" stuff from Cavies fans on here lately? It's really strange.
I second this.
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3.Their shows often do not produce the kind of emotional response that makes them memorable. When people experience a Cavaliers show, they are wowed and fully entertained but I would guess they are not emotionally exhausted like more people are from recent Cadets/Phantom/Crown/Vanguard/Scouts/etc... shows. I bet many more people remember what they felt like after experiencing Spartacus, or Cadet's West Side Story, or SCV's Ballet for Martha than Samurai or The Great Divide.
This is a very intriguing observation!
Samurai is one of the most interesting shoes to me. The last of the great Saucedo-Gaines tandem. I will literally go onto Fan Network at random to watch it. Yet, you're correct (at least for me personally) that I don't feel as emotionally invested in this production as Spartacus, En Fuego, or American Quintet (so on and so forth). Genuinely interesting. . .
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And even in Amazing Grace he never really lets you go.
Fabulous. Simply fabulous writing.
I'd say Classic writing too. When the two sides combine in the ballad, that standstill sounds like the best parts of any Bocook ballad. . .'98, '99, '01, etc.
Mellophone. That is all.
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"On any given night, the best team can and should win."
-Mark Thurston
In this activity, however, just because the fans and judges don't see eye to eye doesn't mean that the judges are wrong. They are possibly looking at and for two different things.
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It saddens me how many people just arent cavalier fans. It seems that no one here at DCP really enjoys the cavaliers outside of the obvious honks. The cavaliers have a truly extraordinary show this year, and everyone seems to have the mindset of "yeah they are good, just not my cup of tea at all". I wonder why.
That being said, cadets have a sick show this year as well. Hate BD's and Crown's though. And im a die hard crown fan...
It is weird that more people have a flat vibe towards Cavaliers this year. I don't think, by any means, that people dislike their program. It just sticks out because they usually own ecstatic praise. There are many who still feel that way. And from the reviews, it seems as the live crowds still throw babies.
But I don't know that it's anything to be sad about, seeing as they've been the corps of the 2000's. Aside from BD's championship, Cavies pretty much are the buzz corps IMHO.
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It's not over yet, but I feel like a move is being made...
:worthy:It's about that time in the season!
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Drum Corps audiences vary from show to show. Sometimes you get a conservative one. It depends on individual personalities. It's a great time when you have a live one. There are individuals who are willing to cheer but only if there is a "leader." It's organic. By the last corps, you pretty much know you're going to give up collectively. Oh. . .can't wait.
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Hop is right, Cadets' thunderous goo is not over the top. It's under the bottom. A couple octaves. I actually kinda feel sorry for the contra players. Can't hear them at the "synth impact points".
But.. in their defense, pretty much all the corps are into the thunderous gooing. To me anyway, it seemed like PR and Cadets were more thundery and gooey than the others in the top 12.
FWIW, the contra players probably don't feel bad. . .so no worries.
That hornline plays their stones off! IMHO, to my ears the balance between that ferocious Cadets hornline and the synth bass is tasteful. I think their intention is to add as much velocity to the ensemble sound with electronic contribution. Just my 2 cents, but I hear the audio as being well within the realm of what is aesthetically acceptable. -
B - It's DCP, which is not a wide sampling of opinion, but rather a small, vocal group with individual agendas regarding success
Boom.
So true that many have alternate agendas for liking/disliking corps/shows. It's not always a conscious agenda!
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The Cavalier and Blue Devil organizations are top notch. World Class performers. One thing I've learned about DCP is that any given team or program will never get 100% praise. Then again, that's partially what these forums were meant for- bring constructive discussion together.
Many tip their hats to the Devs. Hey, when you look objectively at what they've done in the past 2 championship seasons, they marched and played better than anybody else. But that doesn't mean the average ham & egger will enjoy their presentation.
IMHO, the Green Machine gets a lot of respect on here. At shows, it's practically intimidating how the crowd becomes thunderous for them. But.. .they have critics like everybody else.
Do you guys remember in 2006 and 2008 how the Cadets basically had hundred page threads about all of the controversy? It was heavy. To see that team emerge in the fan's favor in the past points to the cyclic nature of the activity. It's great.
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Yeppers.
There are a lot of music educators on this board, in various capacities. I'm sure we, as a group, can give a big "YEP!" to that.
YEP!
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If the kid got cut after a few days of move-ins, that means he wasn't cutting it, didn't do his homework between camps, and the corps has every right to send him off.
But I'm not buying the story that he showed up on the first day of move-in, and was sent packing.
Agreed.
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Cavaliers 2002 was ground breaking in their design concept of "ensemble cohesion." Visual transition of their program, move for move, gave the judging community a different look almost entirely. Pacing of the program became a Cavalier signature and the style of drill/music/general effect (that suave Green Machine thang) entranced the audience. I remember it vividly. . .as a performer that usually went on just before them.
Cadets 2005 was a program that truly came together by August. The story board approach was especially strong this year. Observed by others on this thread and acknowledged by Hop himself, execution seemed to feed off of itself and get stronger throughout the season. To me, it was not only their high achievement but that they did this while executing their trademark march-and-play-your-butt-off style of design. There are several moments in this program where performers are creating that Sacktig motion andperforming that Bocook sound (percussion as well). The guard took design took many, many chances on things and pulled it off at Championships. A highlight for this horn player was Dancer in the Dark, when they performed mirror images to the 50, spinning on both left and right hands. And the show had that element of innovation/originality/etc, necessary both to the Cadets and a Dci Champion.
I humbly voted Cadets with a very admirable bow to Cavaliers. GE is essential for me, however execution is also a large part of what I enjoy about drum corps. As "marching music's major league," I salivate at the products corps put on the field as the best in the world and things that can not be achieved anywhere else on the field.
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Seriously. I was wondering if their line would take a hit after Jim Casella left, was impressed when they rekindled the relationship with McIntosh, and they've been rolling ever since! They drummed well last year and are on the next level this year.
And Congrats to the Blue Stars percussion. Cool to see Aungst and Larrivee doing their thing and doing it well!
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I love the Cavies' book this year. Every year I think Mac can't come up with something new, and every year, he does exactly that.
Seriously. I was wondering if their line would take a hit after Jim Casella left, was impressed when they rekindled the relationship with McIntosh, and they've been rolling ever since! They drummed well last year and are on the next level this year.
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I did the Murfreesboro-Atlanta combo road trip 2 years ago. One thing to also keep in mind is the time change- Murf, TN is 1 hour earlier than Atlanta, GA (EST). So we left the Murfreesboro show at about 11:30 and made the 3 hour 45 minute drive to Atlanta, getting in at 3am (Murfreesboro time), which was actually 4am Atlanta time.
Only to wake up for the big show the next morning. Just letting you know so you can plan accordingly!Last year, I had a ticket for the show but walked the warmup lot too. The buses are in the elevated lot to the East, and pretty much all of the corps warm up in the lower lot next to it, North of the Congress center. It's a little bit of a walk to the dome from there (15 minutes as others have said), but it's an easy one and many people are making the hike because they're also watching warmups then proceeding to the show.
I found the warmup situation to pretty easy. For example, after watching Boston Crusaders do movement warmup, I could see Phantom stretching across the way. From there, SCV was un-mistakeable on the other side of the lot. As they were doing there thing, Cadets and Cavies were setting up next to each other not too far away.
Just food for thought. . .
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Off topic, but the bones picture made me wonder...
Are those flugels out there? Pretty interesting if so. More interesting if they are the far frequently less seen, alto horns...
Anyone got any info on that?
They're Meehaphones.
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Something to consider. Never before have the judges had to judge all of the previous years top 8 at the first two shows. Typically they only have to deal with evaluating 2 or 3 top 12 corps and then a typically lower ranking group or groups, which typically sees the 2-3 higher placing corps scoring higher due to the spread between them and the second tier group. But what happens at the first regional where there are a lot of corps in the same relative tier? Scoring drops and gets a bit wacky to try and fit everyone in. I don't know if this has anything to do with what we've seen so far, just a thought.
This. IMHO, exactly this.
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It's hard to say this early in the season. It sounds like Cavaliers, Cadets, Blue Devils, and Crown all have great shows that may be hard to beat in order to be Top 3. Eight out of eight in GE Music & Brass doesn't seem bode well, but scoring sixth in their GE Music rep subcaption (read: design caption) is at least a little encouraging. It's so hard to gauge competitiveness this early in the season with incomplete shows and members still not confident or comfortable performing yet.
I think Top 3 is out of the question for SCV (I may be wrong, but it's looking good for a Cavaliers-BD-Cadets Top 3 battle royale, with maybe Crown in that max). I also think that Bluecoats have the type of show that lends itself well to multiple viewings and will be strong down the stretch (from what I've seen at least). It seems SCV had some problems this weekend with brass, causing their GE Music & Brass scores to not be desirable: it's hard telling if that's an early season thing or indicative of how their season will end up.
Here's hoping they make great strides cleaning & improving, & SCV has a great season!
I agree with this. It's not that Vanguard doesn't have the production to be top 5, but IMHO, they will have to get passed some very solid teams. And by the way, this is a VERY GOOD problem. I feel that the top 12 in general have been strong the last few years. When Glassmen is your 12th place corps, Madison was 10th last year, and there's a 3 or 4 way race for 13th place, these are all wonderful elements of competition that push the corps to be even better. SCV has a package that is very much their roots of "modern" identity. I think this program pulls together much like how last year Bartok baffled people in the middle of the season and impressed at the end.
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Oh yeah. . .and his mic was way to close to his mouth. Back 'er down.
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I only had one ear on the screen between corps because I, like many others I feel, were using the down time to whisper about what we saw. That's pure excitement right there!
But yes, I definitely caught this. I thought there was a rule proposal or dialogue in the off season that kind of correlated with this too? Something about a more direct linking of crowd response to effect scoring somehow?
On this, Cesario inferred that this addition to the sheet will influence design choices and steer Dci as a whole on a new course.
Like Western Music's history. . .classical. . .romantic. . .and neo-classic. . .he's right!
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Someone already said Phantom, but PR and Blue Devils use it.
Great stuff, by the way!