GDinnes
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Wow this will be hard to narrow down to one per corps but here we go. With Devils and Madison being my two fav I'll start with them because they are the hardest to peg down one show. Also I'm most familiar with 89 - 2000 so most show will be from that range.
Blue Devils - 92 was great with When a Man Loves a Woman as a closer.
Madison Scouts, so many to choose from but 1978 tops the list for me. Nothing like hearing Star Wars and Malaguena in the same year
Cadets - Not my most favorite corps but 2000 is the one I'll usually not skip when it comes on.
Cavaliers - 1995 Planets, I will listen to this show any time, just an awesome awesome show.
Phantom - 1989 Dvorak's New World Symphony.
SCV - 1992 Fiddler. Mostly because I was at finals that year so I do like that version.
Crossmen 1990 New York Voices.
Star of Indiana - 1993 Medea was just amazing.
Suncoast Sound - 1989, with '89 being my first year in drum corps I am more biased towards this version even though so many people perfer 85
Crown - 2008, Finis was such a great show
VK - 1986 - The Bond show was so much fun.
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Do you ever think we will ever see.....................
the Blue Devils place lower than 5th?
Spirit of Atlanta in the top 5?
a crops not from Illinois, California, or Pennsylvania win the World Championship?
the return of Star of Indiana, The 27th Lancers, North Star, Suncoast Sound, The Freelancers, The Guardsmen, Southwind, Memphis Blues Brass Band, Avant Garde, Pride of Cincinnati, or The Bridgemen (not an alumni version)?
George Hopkins smile while his corps performs?
Santa Clara Vanguard do the bottle dance again?
1. Maybe, they have been a model of consistency though, Seeing as how the last time they placed 5th was '91, and the last time the placed out of the top 5 was their first year as DCI Finalists, and only their second year competing. But still anything is possible.
2. This is likely, but not for a few years. I never thought we'd see Bluecoats as a top 3, and we had that last year. So anything is possible.
3. Yes I do, the championships are exclusive to BD, Cavies, Cadets , Phantom, SCV and Madison. They just have history behind them that keep drawing the best (staff and members) to them. Crown is getting close to a championship. So in the next 5-10 years you'll see Crown win their first.
4. As nice as it would be I don't think this is likely. Rarely do we see corps return, usually it just a new corps is formed in that area with a new name. Someone 'owns' those names (assuming here), so either those people would have to be the ones to restart the corps or give the ok for someone in the area to do it.
5. Meh.
6. I'd love to see/hear it again. Fortunately the last time they did it I was actually at finals and got to see it. It still gives me chill when I listen to it. I find it funny that there a lot of people that want corps to do new stuff and others to back to classics. Personally I don;t mind if a corps does either (new music or stuff from their past). With next year being 45th and DCI's 40th...maybe.
7. (Someone asked about Canadian corps in the top 12 again) This is the most unlikely of all of these I think. As nice as it would be to see, we'd have to go through a resurragance of drum corps in Canada again, and that is going to take time. This year there were only two Canadian corps at Worlds, and they were both open class. I don't think either corps has the resources to become a WC corps. Yes the Canadian dollar is a lot stronger now then when I marched, but until someone starts up more drum corps (and maybe a return of ODCA?) it seems as though Dutch Boy in '90 will be our last top 12 Canadian corps. What's really sad about this situation is I live in KW now. When I started marching (was living in Sudbury at the time so was marching with Blue Saints), KW had Ventures, Kiwanis Kavaliers, Dutch Boy and Cadets of Dutch Boy. And that's just KW. I remember ODCA finals having about 10-12 corps between 4 classes (Open, A, A-60 and B)
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My point wasn't about the type of flag pole utilized. To my knowledge, there is no such stipulation.
This is my contention:
If you are going to present a flag, present a flag. Do not purport that it is a military color guard by adding a weapon and attempting to execute some artistic vision of what a color guard is.
There are SPECIFIC protocols to presenting a color guard detail.
Present the flag in some other fashion. I'm not saying that it isn't right to do so. I'm saying that corps either need to figure out what a real color guard is or stop trying to look like something inspired by a military color guard detail
There is a difference between these two:
A saber held backwards at an imaginary Port Arms next to an American flag being held as per how it is held when spinning is NOT a color guard. It's some guard instructor's interpretation of a color guard.
I've found that most people are cooperative about learning more about proper protocols. Before my high school band marched in the Inauguration Day Parade, our directors, knowing I was a member of our JROTC program, asked me about proper color guard protocol. Our band's color guard detail was changed from something similar to Crown's in that picture to follow the protocols of an actual color guard unit.
Really? This is Drum Corps not the military. Does it really matter if they have a proper 'full colour guard' that they have the flag with a fake rifle in case someone is going run on the field and steal it? Maybe it's because I'm Canadian but this seems to be blown way out of proportion to me. Whenever we had a parade or retreat we always had a Canadian flag, sometimes a provincial flag and yes I do think we have a rifle or two, but I don't ever recall being judges on our colour guard', or given a lesson in proper colour guard. Really as long as the flags never touched the ground is all we were worried about.
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Pioneer 68.40 (-00.65 from Allentown)
And with that Pioneer is out of Semis, and SCVC is in.
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So, just to be clear, do these scores mean that BDB and Oregon Crusaders are IN for another performance at Semi-Finals tomorrow night?
Also, it's really funny sitting here and listening to these conversations happening in the box while the telecast is still going....
That's correct, if the rest of corps to perform get higher scores than BDB, BDB adn OC are 24th and 25th.
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Can this be confirmed from another source that this Northstar program being talked about is geared to be a competitive DCI corps? That would be great news for the area if they have the right resources. And is this in the near future (2 years)? or unforeseen future?
Looking at the website it's still Dutch Boy, it seems the NorthStar, is the overall organization (think YEA). It look sliek they are trying get Dutch Boy going again for 2010, and looking at the staff members have a few former Kiwanis Kavaliers staff/members on thier staff this year.
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By default it's Madsion '95 as I was there at finals and saw it live, I have not seen any shows from this year so I can't say. That being said you can take any cahmpion from any year and probably find at least one show that a majority of people will saw they woudl rather watch if given the choice. Sometimes even the same year.
For example, I'll take a ntoher year I was there live for as an example. I'd rather watch Devils '92 then Cavaliers '92.
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I prefer '89 SCV, but it was also my first year in Drum Corps, so it gets some bias that way.
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I don't think raising the age limit one year in WC only is going to do anything. If you just aged out with BD, Crown, Cadets SCV (and so on), are you really going to want to march BDB, SCVC or any other OC corps?
Also Id on't think bringing back A-60 will do much either as stated previously that would limit participation, and if you were bring back both A and A60 well there wouldn't be enough corps to sustain either.
It really is just 'a sign of the times' to use a cliched response. Alot of the WC corps rely on donations, corps dues and fundraising. Things have become alot more expensive then in the glory days.
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Small Correction. It was New York Voices and the CD that Crossmen took the charts from is a brilliant listen. I still listen to that at night sometimes. Had Crossmen not done this show, I never would have discovered this great vocal group!
I voted Crossmen as well. They improved so much from 1989 and really blew me away with the closer. UNBELIEVABLE energy and push to the end. Just flat out better music selection and they were rock solid performers. They even came pretty close to catching us at the first show of the year .... I think Hop did a talk that night and said the Crossmen were pumped at how close they were and that result gave them the juice/mojo they needed to really go for it that year.
The intro to that show (almost note for note from the CD) was breathtaking!!!
My Bad, for whatever reason I though it was Manhattan Transfer.
####, now I have to listen to that show again....wait that's not a bad thing :)
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I voted for Crossmen '90 for two simple reasons:
1. I absolutley love thier Manhatten Transfer program.
2. I have yet to see/hear anything from 2010 yet. (and probably won't for a while)
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Come back to Canada! Toronto? Although I'm not sure where as Skydome (sorry...Rogers Centre) wouldn't be the best venue, maybe BMO Field?
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Guessing he wasn't a fan (like I am) of Santa Clara this year
Or what he thought of Star '93? :)
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that's a lot sooner. neat.
Yes, it should be very soon, which is good because I'm getting tired and would like to go to bed. :)
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eastern or central?
Eastern
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Maybe they had to postpone due to lightning (inside the dome) Hee hee!
So would that mean they are playing in the ThunderDome?
Oh I kill me.
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so semi's have been over for like an hour - for those watching the fan network thing. did they just never announce the last two scores over the PA? what's the deal?
The had all the ceremonial stuff and Star. The posted schedule said the final two scores would be annouce at 10:58 PM EST. But when has a DCI show ever been on time?
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I like how they already gave the placements for everyone but cavies and BD. No hope for the BC/cavies swap I suppose.
No I added the placements, they were still all 0's on DCI. I had yet to refresh the page so I c'n'p'd the list and added the placements.
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DCI took down WC scores. Can't see any of them.
3 Bluecoats 96.500
4 Carolina Crown 95.350
5 The Cadets 94.850
6 Phantom Regiment 92.950
7 Santa Clara Vanguard 92.450
8 Blue Stars 92.050
9 Boston Crusaders 89.600
10 Madison Scouts 89.200
11 Blue Knights 87.850
12 Glassmen 86.500
13 Colts 84.650
14 The Academy 84.050
15 Troopers 83.350
16 Spirit 81.450
17 Crossmen 80.900
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I wore these hideous things for two years. Northwind 1990 and 1991
Oh Geoff I'm so sorry I remember those uniforms. Although Blue Saints in the early 90's were not much beter. Not like having our tops say 'BS' with the 'S' in red sequin
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While we've been focused on the San Antonio venue change, there have been a lot of other minor little changes going on to the tour schedule in the last few days. For instance:
8/5: Kitchener ONT (New Open Class show)
YES! YES! YES!
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What difference does it make what initiates the change? The point is that the activity is ever changing as a result of multiple influences. Rules don't force change, they allow it to happen without being penalized for it.
The difference is in an assumption I made with the OP. And that assumption is that people are saying they are staying away becuase of a rule.
If the design changes without a rule change it's not something that is known ahead of time, so people will not say I'm staying away because the drill design is changing. They may stay away AFTER seeing the show and not liking the design changes. Where they may see a rule change (ie. electronics are now permitted) and say I'm staying away BEFORE seeing how the rule change effects the show.
I guess my point is are the rule changes causing some poepl to not give the shows a chance before saying 'I'm staying away'
Make any sense?
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Interesting, I'll be listening from across the road :)
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The changes that took placefrom the 70's through the end of the 80's were as drastic IMO as any changes that have happenned since. If you look at a show from 88-89 compared to 78-79, the difference in what you see on the field are night and day. The concept of how shows were created, what was desireable, what was current, was vastly different. The only similarities were that there were still brass, drums/percussion, and color guard on the field, and the same can still be said today. In fact, I would say late 80's drum corps is way more similar to todays DCI than to what DCI looked like in the 70s.
But is this a result from rule changes? Or is it a results in new design ideas? I think a change in shows due to design changes is entierly different from a change in shows due to rules changes.
I was not alive in the 70's so my question would be were there rules specifically restricting assymetrical drill?
1991 Blue Devils is DCI.org Download of the Week
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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Love this show. But again I love most of Blue Devils shows. Just looked at the scores because again, in all those years since 74 this was thier lowest placement. Man 9th in Percusion, they really did cost them the title, becuase the GE Drums also brought that score down too.