olddawg
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just see Pulse 2014 to know where some ideas could come from.
I am in favor of midgets
Actually, the first thing I thought of Music City Mystique 2006. http://musiccitymystique.org/2006-2/
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I've been lurking for a while but had to chime in on this one. I had a much less pleasant experience than the OP regarding a product ordered from Xyomx. This was about 2 years ago. Jen and Kevin both called me on my cell and called me all kinds of foul names for pointing out the product I ordered was not what I actually received. I have been a percussionist for over 25 years, have more pads than I care to admit and have experience making pads and dealing with rubber suppliers, so when I'm told I don't know what I'm XXXXing talking about (followed by more foul language), I simply won't deal with it. It took several months to get a refund. I will never recommend anyone sending their money to this company. I know many love the products, but their version of customer service is beyond unacceptable and make the product useless to me.
BBB complaints are essentially useless. File complaints with the California Department of Consumer Affairs.
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Matt leaving shouldn't be a surprise. Depending on who the replacement is, a "rookies to Regiment" line wouldn't necessarily be bad (if bringing prior corps experience). Personally, I think another year would have been a good idea, but (as usual) my ideas don't matter. Besides, the kids may return. Good luck to Shane and Matt.
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Pardon, just saw that Mike D'Angelo had Phantom 5th in percussion on finals night in 89. They were 2nd in quarters and semis (quarters, 2nd to SCV, Goodheart judging [the real deal, IMO] and tied with SCV in 2nd at semis, while Star placed 1st). The 3rd place finish was an average.
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Both those lines were on Kevlar.
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Big drums? All I remember about 92 BD drums is the mountain of dirt covering me by the end of the show. Maybe I couldn't see any big drums because of that.
96 Phantom big drums? Again, not sure what you mean. Neat book, though.
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Didn't see a link, but in case anyone wants a nice survey of the Thurston lick, here you go:
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It was also the year I watched an entire show with Bill Cook.
At Madison for DCI Midwest, Bill came walking up the stadium wearing a toga, purple sash and an olive garland in his Prince Valiant wig. It was a great gag (Zingali later said to me "If you're a billionaire, you can pretty much do whatever you want. WAAAHHHHH!)
He and his wife were looking around for seats, and I said "Hey, Ceasar, why don't you come sit here?" So, they came over and sat next to my mother and I. He took off the costume, which Mrs. Cook put into a 27th Lancers gym bag. "I'll always have a special place for them in my heart," she explained. Bill was wearing a simple shirt, cheap polyester slacks and kept his Kent cigarettes tucked into his black socks. I don't think one could be more down to earth.
And both of them were on their feet cheering loudly for every single corps. Star came on and, of course, absolutely blew me away. I told Bill that was the greatest drum corps show I've ever seen. He was gracious, but also expressed his concern that the corps wasn't entertaining the audience as much as they could.
At the end of the show, we shook hands as I thanked him for everything he'd ever done for drum corps. His response was something along the line of "aw shucks". From then on, I felt bad about ever resenting Star and what they did. Drum corps has never had a better friend than Bill Cook.
I think the drum corps cognoscenti looked at the '92 show as a reversion to the Star of old. That, combined with the lingering resentment over the money, was what probably had some fans looking for any excuse to sneer at them. After my experience with Bill Cook in '91, though, I wasn't one of them.
Great story. A good friend of mine worked for Cook (friend is biomedical engineer), and the Bill Cook at work was very highly regarded from my friend's experiences--the day Mr. Cook died, my friend reacted as if Mr. Cook were a family member.
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92 was percussion is under-rated. They were getting very close to achieving the quality of sound mastered by the 93 line. Snares were great. Tenors had their moments. Bass line was really good as well. Pit was rock solid. They just didn't have the consistent mastery across all sections. As lauded as the 91 line was, I enjoyed this line more. 91 writing was percussive and musical and did a great job at exhibiting their strengths and hiding their weaknesses. 92, they weren't trying to hide anything, and that hurt them.
The progression from 90 to 93 in Star's percussion is awesome. From an overall musical perspective, that four year stretch ranks at the top for me. Interesting that this thread popped up, as I have revisited these shows (and especially 93) in the last weeks. I appreciate more and more 93 with each passing year. Great products. It's all too ironic that 93 ended with Medea snapping her kids' necks and Cook pulling the plug on Star as a DCI entity. They will be remembered as much for what could have been as much as they will be for what they achieved.
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Everything except percussion.
You know, I respectfully disagree here. Although the link is for semis, the perc program, to my ears, was of higher quality than scored. Really good stuff. I loved this program then, and I love it now. I really appreciated them hanging with the mylar (Premier Marathons, FTW!). It's barely audible, but right around 5:02 you hear a "flawless, snares." Sums up my thoughts for the most part for that line that year.
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1344849169[/url]' post='3204629']
I can't believe some people just won't give these designers the respect that they need and deserve. Sure it's fine to have your likes and dislikes about corps and shows but these individuals are putting they're blood, sweat and tears into the products they give these fine students. People need to realize we are in a different time with new designers coming amongst us to help this activity grow, we are not the same people from the 70's, 80's and 90's. Each decade should be about having something new to bring to the table with some things from the past as well otherwise we would have the same shows every year.
I don't think enough praise and thanks have gone to those individuals and specially the students who work hard to bring you a product their proud of to you.
Really? If these designers of which you speak are true artists, then they should be able to take any public commentary/criticism with a grain of salt. As to respect they allegedly "need"? Really? They (the designers) need respect from DCP, a forum of anonymous (relatively) commentary/criticism made up of people with widely varying views on what drum corps is and/or should be? If that is the case, they (the designers) need to, respectfully, grow some. I think the volume of discussion for or against particular shows is praise in itself for the designers. Whether perceived good or bad, the (artistic) product had an impact on someone to a degree to make that person share his or her opinion on a public forum. I'd say that was successful art, whether it won the prize or not. Whether it was good drum corps, is a different question
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Am I the only person who heard Cesario state in an interview some time earlier this year or last that the sheets were changing to match what the corps were doing as the corps themselves had outstripped the criteria on the old sheets? I swear I heard that. If that is the case (and if I'm not totally losing it), there should have been no change in the outcomes at all. Indeed, the sheets appear more WGI-like, and more of the staff/designers/judges crossover, so why not harmonize the criteria?
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Beat BD right out of the gate in 92, won at Albequerque in 93 (no BD), and won numerous CA shows in June 05 (no BD).
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1344643655[/url]' post='3200724']
I'm gonna say it. I absolutely LOVE the sequenced pre-show all the way to the brass entrance for Cavaliers.
Fully agree. This show has grown of itself and on me treendously this year.
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All I know is if this Xmen show finishes 13th, it'll unseat 2000 Southwind as my favorite 13th place show. Like others have said, I too believe this show should finish in the top 12. Simply a great show. I hope they don't do a 180 in programming for next year because this is an outstanding show and something great to build on. Love it Bones!
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I'm not sure if the corps as a whole is a victim of slotting. but....I think the drumline is falling victim to it. That is not a 7th place drumline. The guard was really solid tonight. I would've put the score around 90.25. Think they were scored low. Will be interesting to see what a different panel thinks tomorrow night.
Truth. Percussion-wise, I'd have them in fourth behind Coats, SCV, and BD.
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1344576566[/url]' post='3199510']
I would have had it 1. Bluecoats 2. SCV. Just the sound quality alone coming from those lines could win them a drum trophy in my book.
Bluecoats have had the best percussion for the last several years, IMO. The demand in the battery the last couple years has been great. Front and back execution is great. BD has exposed rolls and so does everyone else. The solo parts don't do it for me. They do it well, even if it seems like the same book for the last 18 years with only minor changes here and there and the occasional percussion rack thrown in.
Don't get how Cadets have beaten Cavies in perc. I'dhave Cavies in 3d. Cadets battery has beem too dirty, as has Crown's. Phantom should be in 7that least. The more I listen to everything else, the more apparent their overall perc book lacks the demand to even keep it inthe top 10, even though I like the guys running the show there now.
Ohyeah, I'd have SCV in 2nd. Super clean. Weaker beats that coats. Kinda like when teamRennick was at Phantom (most years).
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did they just say 66.2 for Pioneer?
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THAT is a good show. Seen Colts a few times this year. Colts best run I've seen live and online (and I like the show and the corps) isn't better than OC this year, IMO.
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BDB Percussion should finish within or close to the top 12
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Well, you do have to realize it's not just the linear (that's the score drop) that's involved, but the criteria on the sheets. It's *vastly* different between Open and World classes.
I realize there is a difference in how the classes are judged, but the ONLY difference between the Open and World sheets is this sentence that is on each of the Open sheets: "When judging Open Class, recognize the components of the sheet. Be aware that the use of these components is based on the paradigm of Open Class."
The words on the sheets are otherwise identical. I'd like to see an official definition of "the paradigm of Open Class."
In other news,
SCVC is GOOD.
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Totally agreed with comments so far of Open groups from Raiders on up knocking off Pio. When watching Raiders I though, I haven't seen a Pioneer corps this good in years. The drop in scores doesn't seem entirely honest and is merely a way to ensure the gaps don't close too quickly and we end up with the top 5 scoring over 100.
Show Choir wins a round over Tresona - How could this impact DCI?
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The education exemption is very, very narrow. The brief summary from Stu's attorney contacts is on the right path. From the perspective of the education exemption, band contests are absolutely outside the scope, and I cannot imagine that Stu is referencing band contests in any manner other than how they relate to that exemption. Regardless of how band contests fit into music educators' pedagogical efforts, band contests (and the media produced at, with, or associated with such contests) are not part of the narrow education exemption detailed in the legislative history of the Copyright Act. Yes, I posted for the first time in over 2 years for this.