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    Pioneer 2014

    in DCI World Class Corps Discussions

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    Furthermore, getting into finals AND consistently remaining in finals is insanely difficult: just ask staff members from Spirit, Colts, Troopers, Crossmen, and Cascades.

    The 02 Crown analogy doesn't hold for the reasons you stated, plus that year ended with a huge overhaul in design/music staff.

    That said: I have a ton of respect for Pioneer and its members. Many WC corps have finished ahead of them since the early 2000s. Many members of said corps have cracked wise about Pioneer’s placements, show designs, philosophy, etc. I’ve heard the same snarky play on “Better Every Day” for too long.

    But many of those corps are long gone.

    I think there’s a definite structure for Pioneer to be competitively successful. It’s really more of a question of how much they’re willing to A) spend on an elite staff and other show-specific resources, and B) modify their current philosophy of being both a competitive WC corps AND a musical outreach organization (remember they take in a lot of people that don't have the typical music education background). With the exception of organizations like YEA and BDE, it’s really hard to do both.

    Definitely wouldn't place Spirit in the same "staff bucket" as Troopers, Crossmen, Colts or Cascades...

    But anyways. Yes. It is hard.

    Salem Saloon

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    1372665749[/url]' post='3277460']

    It seems the easiest way to invalidate an argument, as well as an opinion, is to bring up "g7." There's a reason, other than money, they are up in that echelon. Get over it.

    Really, the way you've ever replied to me makes me completely disregard your opinion. Why should I get over it? Clearly you've only ever been a fan or marched one of "elite". The best thing that will happen to drum corps is when the top start to fall and the bottom start to rise.

    Salem Saloon

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    1372651396[/url]' post='3277369']

    When other corps scores improve, they deserve it. When Cavies scores go up, its impossible, a conspiracy I tell ya. LOL, sarcasm off.

    .... No. This post made my blood boil.

    You know why? Because when Spirit was exaclty neck and neck with cavaliers a lot of the g7 lovers couldn't help but say "it's ok... It's early season. It doesn't matter."

    Why can't spirit just be good? Why is it the underdog who's scores are "wrong" and not valid... Why can't some of you admit that some of these corps are in fact more deserving of certain points. It IS a big deal when the underdog is close... Especially for the kids.

    Maybe if there wasn't so many politics *cough cough* which staff is properly playing "the game" *cough cough*..... We'd start seeing some different results. Maybe certain corps (I'm not talking about spirit only) would stop taking all the blows.

    But god forbid a corps beats a g7 corps...

    I'm drunk.

    AKRON SHOW 6-22

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    1371946035[/url]' post='3271280']

    Would you get off it already? Cheer for Spirit, not to "stick it to the man," but for their continued growth.

    1371946314[/url]' post='3271283']

    I'm glad SOMEONE said it. Geez. It's getting old already.

    Really, I can cheer as loud as I want for the activity to GROW and for the under dogs to pass perennial g7. I'm happy and oh so happy when top groups in any sport feel the heat from others. It's what makes the activity grow and become competitive...interesting.

    Reality is, people like upsets and drama.

    Don't get me wrong, ill enjoy a g7 show as much as the next guy and can love the work and dedication being put in from all in the organization, but as soon as one of those groups start to slip.... I'll be cheering more for the group trying to overtake their spot!

    And with that, hopefully you can understand why I'm so excited at the possibility of ANY group taking over a perennial g7 group!

    Hot, Hot, Hotlanta

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    will Crown close on BD? yes

    will Phantom close on both of them? yes

    will Vanguard get any closer to Cadets? no

    will Boston stay ahead of Cavaliers? no

    will Spirit make get closer? yes

    will Blue Knights and Blue Stars hold off Crossmen? yes

    will Pacific Crest jump Troopers or Colts? yes

    is Madison locked into 7th now? no

    My predictions.

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    Outstading Ovation Olathe!

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    Performance order is done in groups of three based of off last years final placements. That is why Madison (10), Blue Stars (11), and Spirit (12) have been switching performance slots so much this year. Colts are on last because it is a home show for them.

    Thanks for confirming that.

    Although sometimes I wish they did it based on how far you've traveled to the show ;)

    I know, high hopes.

    San Antonio Regional Lineup

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    http://www.dci.org/n...6d-0ff8e27e882a

    DCI Southwestern Championship

    The Alamodome, San Antonio, Texas

    Saturday, July 21

    11:00 AM – Gates Open

    1:30 PM – Forte

    1:47 PM – Genesis

    2:04 PM – Oregon Crusaders

    2:21 PM – Revolution

    2:38 PM – Pioneer

    2:55 PM – Mandarins

    3:12 PM – Cascades

    3:29 PM – Jersey Surf

    3:46 PM – Pacific Crest

    4:03 PM – Intermission

    4:54 PM – Troopers

    5:11 PM – Colts

    5:28 PM – The Academy

    5:45 PM – Crossmen

    6:02 PM – Glassmen

    6:19 PM – Blue Knights

    6:36 PM – Spirit of Atlanta

    6:53 PM – Blue Stars

    7:10 PM – Boston Crusaders

    7:27 PM – Intermission

    7:44 PM – The Cavaliers

    8:01 PM – Madison Scouts

    8:18 PM – Bluecoats

    8:35 PM – Phantom Regiment

    8:52 PM – Santa Clara Vanguard

    9:09 PM – The Cadets

    9:26 PM – Blue Devils

    9:43 PM – Carolina Crown

    10:12 PM – Awards Ceremony

    As far as performance times go:

    Winners: Crown, SCV, Madison

    Losers: Phantom, Boston, Pac Crest

    Uh.... and definitely Spirit! BAC AND Cavaliers AND Madison AND Blue Stars ahead?

    All their competition?

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    Salem, WI 7/12

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    Hey bobjective. Lots of posters throw out words like demand and technical aspects when comparing one corps' show to another's. Can you/our peers be more specific?

    After seeing the three corps you have mentioned three times live and on the fan network a few times (I know that doesn't exactly compare) here is my assessment when considering many various aspects

    of show design demand for each section of the corps:

    Brass book: Spirit over Scouts over Cavies (all aspects of individual and collective demand)

    Battery book: Cavies over Spirit over Scouts

    Drill variety and demand: Spirit/Cavies over Scouts

    Guard book: Cavies over Spirit over Scouts

    Pit book: Cavies over Spirit over Scouts

    Some specifics:

    Body: all about the same at this point

    Tempos: all about the same

    Movement variety(not body): all about the same

    Brass orchestration devices, vocabulary, and variety of styles: Spirit way over Scouts way over Cavies

    Battery orchestration devices, vocabulary, and variety of styles: Cavies over Spirit way over Scouts

    Pit orchestration devices, vocabulary, and variety of styles; Cavies over Spirit way over Scouts

    Demand or character role: Spirit over Cavies over Scouts

    Guard variety and character roles, communication demand: Spirit over Cavies over Scouts

    I could break all of this down further into use of meter, keys, varied step size and path, variety of body and movement, instrument ranges, mouthpiece on face time, melodic demands on each section, exposure/features per section,

    solo exposure, small ensembles exposure, articulation demands, environmental demands and frequency there of, etc.

    I just feel that we (including myself) sometimes don't or can't specifically explain our take on things like demand. I think it requires detailed analysis of the "what." Something I do a lot as a judge myself, so much so I can hardly

    ever turn it off and just enjoy a performance.

    I like you and your analysis.

    5 good reason the activity is destined to end

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    The top corps make much more money for themselves and DCi than do the mid to lower corps.

    It costs more money to be first than it does to be last.

    This is where parity could play a huge role in keeping corps alive.

    Professional sports have salary caps, why not drum corps?

    Watch out! I mentioned salary caps earlier and a bunch of trolls -1 me!

    They probably like you though, so you'll be fine

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