Tuokaerf10
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By standardize, do you mean:
4 marimbas
3 vibes
1 Xylophone
1 Tympani
2 racks players
And you can't deviate from this?
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But if it is only amplifying sounds, that does not change the palette of sounds at all.
That will no longer be true in 2014.
That's a quite valid point. Amps can be used very poorly. DCI went through some growing pains with that early on where the pit played the same and the volume was just turned up and it was a hot mess. Synths aside, check out SCV from this past summer for how I feel amplification can really add to the pit's contributions.
Does anyone know if the rule allows for a staff member to run the board?
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Oh great I caught Hell in the past when I called them "bells". Now marimbas ain't right. :tongue:/>
OK, <turn on Cletus the slack jawed yokel voice> them there things the guys and gays smack the dickens out of....
"smack the dickens" - reference to improper technique which this horn player can't see the difference either.
If you really want to fry your brain, there are different sizes of mallet instruments by octave size, many different mallet choices, marimbas can have rosewood or synthetic bars, etc. it's hard enough getting a high school trumpet player to remember their horn, not to mention a marimba player with 5 different sets of mallets :).
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I was waiting for someone to bring up woodwinds. Adding amps has nothing to do with that. Amplification is not changing standard horn instrumentation and I don't see anyone advocating for that seriously other than a push from Hopkins a few years ago for saxes. Arrangers can use already legal instruments more effectively.
Also, no one has really brought forth a cohesive argument on why amplifing existing legal instruments are bad other than cost and "it's not drum corps".
I can't wait until synths are approved in 5 years, that should make for interesting discussion :-).
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you just stepped into a hole so deep it isn't funny. and a lot of people know it. i in fact was a percussionist for many many years. before you were born. so yes i know what i'm talking about. i taught tonal drums for cru for years. i know what all the instruments are, what they can do, and how to play them. and we didn't use some BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T BE HEARD. so don't com on here and try and tell me and all the people that came before you that we don't know what we are talking about. in my day we transformed what percussion was to something a lot different than what it was. nobody ever heard of a marching tymp untill we tried back in my time. we started using what we called bells. but we never used other things because they couldn't be used. only recently all this stuff was used to promote 2 things. the band mentality and amps. look around all the instructors are band instructors. it wasn't like that years ago . we all came up through the ranks in corps. take wes myers from the great sky drumlines. he was just a guy in the line and worked his way up to arranger and instructor. not band. and he was great. what you have today is becoming marching entertainment not drum corps. but my time has passed and you can all do what you want with it. but you will lose the older fan base. and it's already happened. you come on here and insult all of our intelligence and think we will just stand by while you do it. well we won't. i don't mean to sound curse but when you said i wasn't a percussionist showed you lack of any understanding of me or anybody else. but even so go in peace brother. it's all your's now.
It's not better or worse, things change over the years. As I said in a previous post, the activity is very different today than it was even 20 years ago. Shows are designed totally differently. So if we want to have grounded pits with X different types of mallet instruments and X criteria and expectations for what they should be playing from a book standpoint, we need to make some changes to allow for that properly. No one is advocating removing the pit or changing their role, so why are we fighting this then?
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PS - how does amping an already legal instrument (part I clipped) add to the design of a show?
The frontline has more option in regard to complexity of the book without pounding away.
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How do you or anyone else know what the fans want? And what circuits are you talking about because DCA and DCI are the only Drum Corps circuits that I know about. And both circuits have been having problems with shrinking fan base over the decades.
Define "mainstream" please. IMO - insulting something different from what you are used to is very immature, no matter who does it. And considering the difficulties the activity has just surviving it's disgusting to insult any part trying to continue.
PS - how does amping an already legal instrument (part I clipped) add to the design of a show?
There's nothing insulting about it, that's the opinion of many DCI fans that are not familiar with DCA. I don't want that view.
As for declining membership and growth, look at where new members come from:
Marching band > DCI/WGI > DCA
Marching band > DCA > DCI > DCA
All of those minus DCA have more progressive rules in what equipment can be used and how you can design a show.
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as an arranger you have to use instruments that can be heard. this is BS. period. this was just an excuse to use amps. and you can be an apologist all you want. and if you think this will bring crowds back. your wrong. DCA is in big trouble and amps isn't the answer. look drum corps was alaways different from bands. so the way it's going lets stop the sham. stop calling it drum corps and call marching entertainment. and in case you haven't been paying attention but the old guard is leaving watching the shows and the youngsters aren't replacing them. are you going to have an outfit playing to an empty stadium? and by the way Bb horns were not made to be played outside.
Of course it's an excuse to use amps, it's a benefit to the arranger and performer. Performers no longer have to play with questionable techniques that are hard on hands and instruments. Arrangers have more options as well. It's not being an apologist, it's reality (I'd assume you're not a percussionist).
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ok so if you can't hear the instuments then why use them in the first place? oh yeah so you could amp them. how stupid. these people wrting today .............
Because it diversifies what instruments you can use. Why should design be hindered? It's legal instrumentation so if it enhances your show, why ask the performer to play unnaturally to make it heard?
It's surprising to see people complaining about the activity shrinking and low attendance compared to other circuits. Maybe that's because DCA is far behind in allowing corps to design shows that fans want.
DCA already has a bad connotation with mainstream drum corps fans as being a dinosaur circuit.
As for amps "not being drum corps", should we go back to what some on this board consider what drum corps is? Rotary valve horns, symmetrical drill? Nothing wrong with that, but I guarantee you'll be playing for 10's of people and no one will join your corps.
You can't take some advancements while dismissing others. Asymmetrical drill, pits, Bb horns, non-tick judging, and amps have pushed the activity forward.
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I imagine, financially, it has to be tough to compete when there are no corps around you, and you have to drive 4+ hours away every weekend. Check out the recaps from the last couple of years. It's not like many of the big boys were coming to upstate NY.
It would be great to have that short of a drive to shows. Everyone west of PA has to deal with this and it's immensely more expensive. One of those corps remained competitive enough to win a championship.
Anyways, I'm sure there are some corps in the area that are more than willing to take on the other members after this year and maybe help grow the circuit.
Growth of pits over the years
in DCA - All-Age Corps Discussions
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It's been a while since I've heard a DCI tape when working with a group with amps and it was in 2006. Balance issues absolutely should be addressed by the judges.
In WGI, it's been my experience you'll get called out hard for that. Typically the kids run the boards and have had a few incidents when one of the electronics kids didn't set a level correctly and the PA and GE judge immediately made mention of it.