traveller30
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Marching is going to disappear. Music isn't going to disappear.
It will look different. It will sound different.
All the best,
Chuck Naffier
Drum Corps Lifer...
I could have taken this morning's block off?
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Okay, Cadets and Body almost don't work. When they do body I almost feel its out of place not because it isn't do e well but the uniforms are so military in design it makes fluid motions seem out of place! It seems DCI requires marchers to do body but the cadets uniform doesn't look great doing it. Strange...... I mean they get the bulk if their visual effect from their drill design anyway. But interesting u felt that way too.
So besides the uniform, what other reasons are there for Cadets to not have movement as part of their vocabulary?
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Cadets get knee problems.
Not anymore! Not that anyone would notice around here.
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I also stated that the only true arbiter would be someone who marched both BD and another top 6 corps in the past 5 years.
Sorry guys, "30 Minutes or Less" is on the satellite tv and a traffic jam all up on us so I'll have to get back to you all tomorrow morning once we get to the day meeting.
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you missed the entire point so i guess all i have to say is...
whoosh!
Would love to see BD attempt a Cadets show and see how well they could play while running through a Sacktig closer. I think the whole "we're so good we make it look easy" thing might revealed as hype. On the flip side Cadets would completely fail at all the dance/movement you see in a BD production.Whoosh indeed
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LOL... Whitedawn was in some pretty good shows (in the 2000's). Just to let you know...
Oh dear me. When I get done working all of our changes in this ensemble rehearsal I'll take some time to look up his stats.
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Visual rehearsal in sandals is a thing that is possible. (Or, at least was when I marched.)
When did you march? Before 1990 I would hope...
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But my argument is that BDs show is not much more conceptually or mentally challenging than the other elite corps. Also since BD does not really do conventional drill, there are some skills that they do not even attempt. I think all things being equal, you have to start looking for the inequities.
Also I am not quite sure what you mean by a corps doing a single skill a zillion times. Is marching not the fundamental skill of a visual program? Look at other subjective judged sports like diving and gymnastics, do you not get a higher score performing a very difficult skill at 95% than you do performing an easy skill at a 100%?
Bottom line is that mental demand is much easier to accomplish when you are not putting a great deal of physical demand on the performer.
Marching is not just one single skill, just like "cooking" is not just one single skill. Also you are wrong about levels of challenges presented to the kids in BD. Why does the visual side of things always have to be a zero-sum game to a lot of you all?
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Cadets are doing movement... but they're not doing movement like BD.
Ok then, they are getting similar training and then doing movement appropriate to their own show.
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BD doesn't even have drill per se -- it's organic staging (a la winterguard). During the season the dots are eventually formalized, entered into pyware, and then handed out to the members. Listen to Scott Chandler talk about it at the marching roundtable.
I have to admit I'm a little skeptical about some of the credit they receive in visual ensemble. Prima facie their composition value is far weaker than Cadets or Crown. There's very little "drill" to judge. Personally I think that conventional drill should always be a part of the activity. I have no problem wandering away into 'staged productions' for a while but I think "drill" is a fundamental component of drum corps and there should be a good chunk of it in a show.
Would love to see BD attempt a Cadets show and see how well they could play while running through a Sacktig closer. I think the whole "we're so good we make it look easy" thing might revealed as hype. On the flip side Cadets would completely fail at all the dance/movement you see in a BD production.
In the end -- if you read the DCI Visual Analysis sheet -- the language is sufficiently broad that BD's productions can be judged right along side a more conventional drill program.
BD could do Cadets drill and Cadets are doing movement like BD. No failing from either group. How about them apples?
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sorry for delay / walked back to my car
Cadets gave a solid performance
Opener is strong point
Middle tunes tighetened up and improved
Percussion is a significant strength over Crown
Cadets will need to restage the ballad / push toward audience / lose the slides and get the guard in white / to trim the GE gaps in music and visual that have opened up
Pushed toward audience that tune could be an imcredible music moment ala Hymnsong
Closer seems short and ragged / like a temp fix
Overal very talented and well performing corps with a nice program
What's your contact info and how soon can you get down to Western Carolina University to help out?
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Check out this link. After BAC broke 76 last year, it took eight more results to break 80. That may have more to do with the corps adding "stuff" than judging. http://www.bknights....s/standings.asp
Correlation does not equal causation. Also: Jerry Corradino inhibiting his visual people...
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I haven't mentioned drill design in my comments here, so that must have been intended for others who are having the To Front or Not To Front debate :) My assumption with that X is it has something to do with the Chi Rho symbol, which would make sense since are they are already doing the fish earlier.
The X in the final set is the stand for the tree.
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This.....so much this.
I was never hazed in BD....I got three snuggies, but that was because I earned them, not because it was some rite of passage.
You acted like pros, you got TREATED like pros....simple.
You were hazed... Dave stopped snuggies for a reason.
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We enjoyed our "rituals" back in the day. Is there something wrong with a rookie talent show?
How about our "rookie swim"? Once a year after a good rain, we would make the rookies lay down and splash in puddles while singing the corps song.
Is that "hazing"?
Where do you draw the line?
Making a 16 year old to do "Puppetry of the #####" helps the drum corps how exactly?
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Yes, it happens. Hell, hazing happens everywhere, even in an office building. Has it been taken to the extent that it has been in the HBCUs? No.
Hazing is a poor replacement for the bond that comes with a fraternal experience. Drum Corps builds fraternity strong enough on its own, it doesn't need that trash.
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Run around the bus a few times naked in the parking lot of the Atlanta show. Act cool. Done.
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Homework for design team: read the Grant Morrison penned run of "Animal Man" from the late 80's/early 90's. You'll understand once you start.
You get half as ####ed up as some of that, we're in for a treat.
No Doom Patrol? Danny the Street reads better for this show than Buddy Baker...
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They was robbed, probably they was mugged, too. I don't care how well their execution and marching were, but Vanguard's music was awful. There is no good Andrew Lloyd Webber music and the professional critics agree. PR played a great musical book and executed it well.
Oh well, I can't change history.
Kevin
Nothing says legitimate classical music like a full snare line cymbal ride up on the front sideline.
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So much chucklehead thinking in this thread.
Cadets aren't hiding anything. They never do. Some members couldn't pay their fees. And now they're gone. New members are sought.
Read what they posted nearly two weeks ago. Same as at every corps. The only thing that's remarkable about this is that the Cadets are totally up front about their situation.
Please.
HH
"No baby, it's not you. It's me. That's why I am breaking up with you."
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What's sad is that I haven't seen Bill Zeir, Jeff Schultz, Chris Harmon, or Van Mathews mentioned in a thread specifically about the 90's Madison Scouts.
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Mike Jackson on bottom bass.
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Jeff Prosperie, every single time.
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2007 - High GE, High Visual, High Music, High Brass, High Percussion
2008 - High GE, High Visual, High Guard, High Brass
2009 - High GE, High Visual, High Guard, High Percussion
2010 - Everything except Percussion
2011 - High Visual, High Guard, High Music (tie)
Judges don't just hand them that, they earn it. Whether their shows are crowd pleasing or not, they're good. And if that's not your cup of tea, fine, don't trash them though.
End Rant. lol
Pretty sure they didn't win visual in 2011.
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I agree with you about needing to play to a wider audience, but please address this issue: I am a fan who purchased a top row 50 yard line seat for $120; and during the evening I discover the corps are now playing an equal portion of their show directed toward the person who is on the bottom row on the ten yard line and that person paid just $25. I am now angry because I was supposed to be paying that huge extra amount to get better viewing and better sound than the $25 seat. It is your job to calm my anger and make sure I return next year once again purchasing the $120 seat. How would you handle that (which would occur I guarantee it).
Might I inquire as to the measuring device(s) you used to arrive at this analysis?
SCV Drum Prelim Scoring
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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Maybe Paul just showed up late for warmup again and, with all the zones in the Convention Center doled out like it's BOA, he couldn't squeeze any other drum corps out of their spots like he prefers to do? Shot in the dark here...