[The REAL San Antonio Rough Riders Thread]

Does anyone else believe Surf is getting screwed over in their brass scores? They scored lower than Poineer tonignt but their show seemed at a much higher level than Pio. Any thoughts?

[Why does Jersey Surf do so bad?]

20 hours ago, MisterA said:

So in my opinion corps like Pioneer and Jersey Surf really end up suffering in the scoring column. Just my opinion, but I think Pioneer and Surf along with other smaller corps kind of get screwed over in the long run from the judges. The placements may even be right as there are years where several Open Class corps are better than Surf or Pioneer, but the scoring margins are definitely not accurate. And that is no different than when Pioneer and Surf were Open Class/DII/III and beat several World Class/DI corps at finals week. I love the way these corps just focus on the young performers, and don't always have to worry where they will end up placement wise. If more corps had focused on this, we would probably have closer to 50 corps performing in Indy during finals week.

I find it interesting that the threat went from a question of placement to a question of whether or not the organization should be a world class corps. I didn't really realize that the placements could be more influenced by judges rather than actual performance, but now I understand that. 

I probably should have clarified that I mean their placement, because I have been a long fan of Surf and don't personally think their shows are bad. 

 

As to people thinking they should not be World Class I'm actually very surprised. Bob Jacobs doesn't value the placement of the corps; his definition of being a world class corps runs along the lines of how the corps as a whole approaches everything they do "in a world class manner". To the people saying world class corps should just be based on top university level performers definitely have a different definition for world class than Jacobs. And if you took that definition to every world class corps, could any of them really be world class? 

[Why does Jersey Surf do so bad?]

Jersey Surf's past show was really quite impressive compared to years past. I suggest looking it up if you haven't seen it. So why have they stayed so low in the scoring table? Are they really not better than Genesis or Spartans? Do you think their silly show reputation is dragging them down politically and do you think they'll ever have a chance to move up in the ranks or are they stuck being such a low scoring world class corps?