CCond
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On 7/30/2018 at 11:39 AM, queenanne_1536 said:
I never said I was an expert. Not by a long shot. Neither are you, and neither is anyone on DCP.
Obviously scores matter, and they matter to you, or you wouldn't be complaining and putting BD down to elevate the Bluecoats. While scores may not be the sole reason why people participate, they matter to almost every one. Look at how much socres are talked about on here. For the most part scores, are why people march BD, SCV, Bloo and Crown - because they want to be the best. They want to win.
I don't see it as slotting. BAC has passed Cavies. Blue Stars have passed Phantom, Crossmen and now Blue Knights. Crown is less than a tenth from Bluecoats, after tying BAC a couple weeks ago. Spirit has passed Academy and may pass Crossmen. Colts and Madison flip-flopped and it now appears Colts are in the lead. Nothing about that says slotting. At the end of the day, BD, SCV, Bluecoats and Crown are all executing at the highest levels. When you get to that level, it all comes down to the little things one gets rewarded for. Those little things are all that separate these four.
This is an insanely misguided view. I feel sorry for the members that choose to read this.
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18 minutes ago, queenanne_1536 said:
Well, the judges don't see it that way. I think BD is out executing them. I think BD's guard and the staging of the guard is far superior (it's the best this season). The guard is up front and center doing their demanding book - for all to see, mistakes and all. BD's music is very entertaining, the drill is solid. It's a great show. Bloo has a great show too. I just think BD and SCV have the better shows, and the judges agree.
The judges are puppets, madam, and their strings are not pulled by the people who pay to enjoy the shows. Have you ever been on staff and been in a critique before? DCI should serve as proof that art can’t accurately be judged, and that siding with the opinions of the judges doesn’t make you an expert.
All that said, I could care less about where Bloo or BD place. The organization where I served my years of marching is in the lead and as a fan that’s neat. As a recently former MM, the scores are not what we do this activity for. We do it for the love of the performing and we don’t give a S##T what the the judges or their sympathizers think. If it were the opposite, everybody would go home after the slotting happens early to mid season.
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3 minutes ago, WarriorWay said:
Fair point
Of course that said, bringing a painting to life on the field is an insanely neat idea and they’re pulling it off quite well.
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Just now, Cappybara said:
Isn't super conceptual and philosophical themes a pretty common complaint against BD shows?
Figures, the one year they go a little more literal they get dinged for that too
Right? This is just kind of a strange year for design all around. The great thing this year is that everybody is so chalked full of talent that it hardly matters. There are incredibly complex and enjoyable parts to every single show.
I think its great that the corps are providing us with so much material to speculate and share spirited dialogue over!
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Just now, WarriorWay said:
BD’s concept is way more high brow than Session 44. There is no question. Bloo’s is written well but not better than BD. Bloo’s conceptual narrative isn’t as refined
I’m sorry friend, but it’s my personal opinion that your statement is off-base. BD bangs you over the head with what their show is. “We’re making up a story out of a classic American painting” doesn’t really leave you with anything to take away for yourself. It’s a good story, and a cool idea. Doesn’t require much introspection and thought about what it means to you personally. Bloo gives you a little bit more room to think and take away what you like while still following their idea to an extent.
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10 minutes ago, queenanne_1536 said:
BD is clearly better than Bluecoats. That's why they are beating them. They have a better guard, better visual scores, GE that can complete with Blook, and a better drumline. I still don't get all the hype about Bluecoats show. It's a great show, but both BD and SCV have better shows, and that is showing in the marks. There's no conspiracy. The spread between Regiment and Cadets are where it should be. The Cadets are far superior. They beat Regiment in every caption, as it should be.
Bloo has clean feet, clean brass, a very generally effective show, the pace is better than BD, the transitions are smoother than BD, and it gets the people feeling something that BD’s show doesn’t seem to. Bloo taught us all that warming-over the previous year’s design doesn’t do it for the fans, BD decided to try it anyway. BD is clean, not cleaner. They sound good, not better, their show has good moments, but it doesn’t grab the majority by the shirt and say “listen to me right now” the way that Bloo’s does. It’s a shame it doesn’t click with you (personally I feel like you’re really missing out) , but that’s no reason to discredit what they are achieving here.
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5 minutes ago, Lance said:
asking people on here for their opinions about something is mind blowing for your type, i know. take care, kid.
hoping for some adults to tell me what's going on. i don't really understand how to read recaps because i haven't paid attention to scores in a long time.
Analytics exist for a reason, old man.
It’s a hip hop world, pal. Keep up or get out of the way.
Being rude to each other aside, and a vanguard alum, I’d have to say vanguard had a few performance issues this evening. In addition to the microphones not working for the second production and the ballad, the timing in the feet wasn’t up to their standard, a few cues were missed here and there. In general, the run seemed a tad off to me. But flo had us looking the wrong direction all night.
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11 minutes ago, Lance said:
thanks
take care, kid
“I’m curious about something only the recaps can tell me, but I’m going to be obstinant for the sake of being obstinant and not read them then poo poo people who tell me to read them”
you folks constantly blow my mind.
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28 minutes ago, jeffmolnar said:
Man those kids barely have uniforms anyway these days. I remember the agony of C.H. Collins in an actual thick, full uniform. They could handle it in 2018 with their bodysuits.
I’m sorry my man, but I’m not sure you’re looking at the whole picture. The shows are far and away more difficult in terms of body movement than they were in the thick uniforms. The thick uniforms trapped more heat, sure, but I would argue that the visual responsibilities take more out of the members and they heat up every bit as much.
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1 minute ago, jeffmolnar said:
No uniforms? What the hell...
I kinda don't even want to go if that's the case. ugh
Yeah what the hell are they thinking not risking heat strokes for the MMs?
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Just now, pudding said:
The one that plays almost exclusively long tone chords (except for their small brass ensemble, which admittedly play very intricate passages) in between approximately five million battery breaks.
That's simply not the case, friend. There are about three battery breaks, and they are pretty long (but hey if you've got a strength, play to it). The closer has a lot of intricacy in the hornline proper. Double and triple tongue passages in the call and response section with the small ensemble. Not everything is handed off to the small ensemble.
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Just now, DAYGO said:
The one he's not fond of
Ah yeah bias and all that
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3 minutes ago, pudding said:
Visually I'll grant you (although barely). Musically I disagree entirely. Bloo's Zappa book alone is more intricate than SCV's entire brass book, and from a holistic perspective Bloo's ensemble demands are greater than SCV's, which are (mostly) just chords and rips interspersed between 5 five million battery breaks.
Yo which Vanguard were you listening to?
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1 hour ago, Terri Schehr said:
How is Uber there? We've had zero problems using it in Indy when we're there.
Uber is t crazy expensive. It wasn't allowed in San Antonio when I moved away, but I know they've brought it back. Shouldn't be more than a 5 dollar ride from the dome. Y'all have a beer for me!
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2 hours ago, ftwdrummer said:
None of the Texas Monthly Top 50 in the state (or honorable mentions) are in walking distance, but there are a couple that are a quite short drive.
Map here.
Bill Millers is delicious...but it's a San Antonio fast food chain, essentially. If you don't get Texas BBQ often don't waste the opportunity on the chains. I would recommend going to The Granary. It's under 281 in the Pearl Brewery area. It's a very short uber ride from the Alamodome. Delicious BBQ and it's a microbrewery. Win win. I'm from San Antonio, and that's the best BBQ you can get without driving for quite a long way.
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1 hour ago, mjoakes said:1 hour ago, mjoakes said:
Starting to think about packing for SA, and I wonder about this: Given this year's major singing competition and amped brass lines, are we at a point where I could connect to Alamodome Wi-Fi and just get all the music through my Beats wireless headphones? Isn't it kind of old fashion to use unaided ears?
I know you're joking, but the dome wifi has been garbage for years. You can't count on it for jack.
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Just now, Terri Schehr said:
Sounds like that is the case. That was my plan.
That stinks. For the last 5 years (excluding the one I marched) I've be going to watch a few corps and cool down then watch some lots to see my friends. I wanted to see Spirit and then watch my team warm up later that night.
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4 hours ago, Liahona said:
This is interesting and just an FYI regarding security at the Alamodome on Saturday:
* INCREASED SECURITY MEASURES *
Due to the increase in security it is suggested that you arrive earlier at the Alamodome. Amoung the measures that will now be in place are:
1. There will be an increased security presence both inside and outside the Alamodome.
2. Small handbags & purses will be allowed in the Alamodome, but will be inspected at all entrance gates. Inspection tables will be set-up outside the North, South and East gates.
3. Large bags, coolers and backpacks WILL NOT be allowed in the Alamodome.
4. Once fans have exited the Alamodome, they WILL NOT be allowed to re-enter for any reason.
5. Signs will be posted throughout the interior and exterior of the Alamodome, as well as in the parking lots listing the new security procedures.So to clarify, if we want to catch a few shows, then go out to watch a lot we can't go back in to watch the other shows?
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15 minutes ago, MikeBD said:
People like you are the reason other fans refuse to come on here. You do realize you are rooting against kids. What a waste of flesh you are. Thank God you aren't a friend of mine.
God almighty man that's another human being. Show some restraint.
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3 hours ago, cixelsyd said:
Read my post again. It was responding only to your sentence, "This activity is designed to evolve". But since you conflated it with everything else in this thread that irks you:
- It is not "my" petition.
- I understand DCI is a business, and likely could not even figure out what we think of it, much less care.
- Not sure about the accuracy of your attendance data. If you think there were 30,000 fans at finals last year, you should check again.
- Yes, I understand that it might take a fatal loss of fan support before DCI would have any chance of recognizing at what point correlation really is indicative of causation. The world of hurt DCI was in for years after the fan discontent of 1993 has been blamed entirely on the choice of venue for championship week that year. Any attendance drop in the electronic era can be blamed on the economy instead of the electronics. Amping the whole corps may not even rise to become one of the top five moments of electronic discontent; too early to say.
I'm gonna save you the trouble of keeping the argument going. I don't really care about any of this or what your opinion is on anything. You think you're right, I think I'm right. In the grand scheme of things, none of it matters. This website is just chalked full of folks that would rather be right about their opinion than just enjoy the show, which is a shame. I truly hope you (and since you had to say that it wasn't your petition, I thought I'd mention that I am using the royal you, as in everybody) can learn to just enjoy the show. Have a great day, friend!
Oh and you were right about something, there were only around 25-26 thousand folks at finals last year. That's still a pretty great number of people losing it for these sorts of shows in the live setting.
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28 minutes ago, cixelsyd said:
But this activity is not evolving, but rather, devolving into another parallel activity (marching band).
As a historical reminder, competitive drum corps and marching band were established as parallel activities by their founding organizers back in the 1920s. This type of (d)evolution is not what drum corps was designed for.
I believe that is a misguided view. The shows these corps are producing are far beyond what any marching band could achieve, amped or not.
But more to the point of my first post at all; your petition won't do anything. DCI is a money making machine and they don't care what any of us think. If you don't consume it, somebody will. Since the finals attendance numbers are record shattering every year, I would guess that the activity isn't devolving in the eyes of the 30 or so thousand people that came to watch us all perform last year at Lucas oil. There will be more there this year, and my guess is they'll love it all too.
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5 hours ago, Liahona said:
A lot would argue...me included...that amp'ing an ENTIRE brass line for the ENTIRE show is NOT improving the activity...This is not an argument of not embracing change either...it stems at DESTROYING the very foundation of our performance based activity as we've know it...if you can't see that..I really don't know what else to say...
Well, tough luck. The folks at the live shows seem to be eating it all up. I get that change is spooky and all, but you're being a little melodramatic my man. The performers, if you haven't been able to see their close shots, are having the time of their lives performing these shows. I highly doubt the top 6 corps are having recruiting problems. Drum corps is going to keep going in different directions, and the common folk will go nuts for it, and DCI will make money.
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I don't understand why This is an issue now... corps have been experimenting with this for years. I mean, did nobody notice that the bluecoats had more speakers on the field than contras in the hornline in 2016? That show was fantastic and almost everybody that saw it ate it up. This activity is designed to evolve. To become new and different, and to reach new generations. If we rehashed the same techniques we used when we were limited by the technology of the time how are we improving the activity? It's a hip hop world out there folks. Keep up, enjoy the incredibly hard work the members are putting in, or get out of the way. These shows are rather enjoyable if you let them be instead of choosing to be upset about things that are new and different.
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NightBEAT - July 29, 2018
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
Posted · Edited by CCond
You call the compliments I gave them bashing? Your bar must be awfully low on what is and isnt a compliment. Your apparent need to bring the Bluecoats down is every bit as silly. My comments on the judges stand tough. If you ever press them on their placements in a critique, they have nothing of substance to offer you. If your corps dominated all season for your ring, then you wouldn’t understand that.
i also mentioned Ned that I don’t care where they place, I don’t have a dog in either hunt. Objectively speaking, Bluecoats design makes you think about what an artist is, BD brought a painting to life. One show is designed to make you think, one show is designed to make you say “neato that painting is alive”. Both cool, both challenging, both clean. They should be tied for all the farts I give.