JMS1995
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In thinking about how far back GH's misdeeds go, I began wondering... assuming the allegations are true, what if he had been caught and ousted long ago... decades ago? Certainly fewer victims. But, also, what would DCI look like today... the butterfly effect. GH was a pivotal force in shaping the way drum corps has changed in the last couple decades in regard to electronics, amplification, new instruments, etc. I don't want to open up a debate on the controversial changes he pushed for, but rather just to note that his presence or dominance in the activity has taken it on a certain path to where it is now. It is interesting to me just to hypothesize about what shows might look like today if his last year with DCI was somewhere in the 90's.
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1 minute ago, Jeff Ream said:
There is this giant misconception that the dci office is like the ncaa with compliance staff, massive marketing and ticketing etc... and it’s not. The amazingly small team in Indy has very specific roles and trolling the internet for rumors new and old isn’t part of it
This is a good point. DCI was and has been as you describe. I think this is now all in question as to what DCI's role should be moving forward, assuming it all moves forward. I think it is odd, though, that even if not out searching for "dirt" on themselves, they didn't hear things. The DCI staff is very small... many of the office staff are the ones who travel out to the DCI shows to run them, and in doing this it seems likely they mingle, talk, listen... did any of what we know today [or other things we don't know yet] every pass by their ears?
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8 minutes ago, cixelsyd said:
By that standard, anyone who read RAMD back in 2003 should be suspended from their job pending an investigation.
Meanwhile...
... by that same standard, the reporter should also be suspended from her job pending investigation, for failing to follow up on the other accusation with the redacted name.
An individual who was not a DCI official... not suspended, but maybe just a gut-check. DCI is supposed to be "the buck stops here people" since they are the sanctioning body (whatever that means at this point)... if DCI knew, then they should have investigated to some degree.
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1 hour ago, Eleran said:
One quote from the new article that I have not seen anyone mention yet, that I found of some relief:
This week, before the old forum posts surfaced, Acheson said that review was nearly complete and had not uncovered anything that would call for a deeper investigation.
??? Hang on... if Acheson [who is now accused of knowing of GH's past] said the "review was nearly complete," it could be that he did not dig deep enough, or cast a wide-enough net on purpose -to avoid revealing what Phily.com just exposed... an allegation that he knew something! In addition, DCI [Acheson] made no immediate statement calling for the Yea! board to resign and did not openly object to SK being installed as interim director until the reporter in Phily dug deep.
Are we expected to believe that not one single person has ever notified DCI about these specific RAMD pages, that have been up for 15 years? Not one person said, "Hey, there is something you might want to read." Was the RAMD forum so tightly guarded or closed that no news of it ever leaked out to anyone connected with DCI?
There is no "bottom" to something like this... you can never rule out another person coming forward, but "Well, has anyone got anything else to confess... no? Good... looks like we're all done here" is not digging deep enough. Why is it that these people in Phily have been consistently one step ahead of DCI?
Further, if the rumors of GH were so widespread or so numerous --as people seem to be saying now-- it seems to point to one of two things... either DCI was very out of touch with the "totality" of GH's persona (and that seems odd, considering how frequently GH had contact with all sorts of officials from DCI) and was being kept in the dark by all these people who new something but said nothing, or [2] they did know something on some level and did not have the guts to stand up to GH or do some investigating to confirm or deny their suspicions.
If 1 is true, it shows incompetence; if 2, then it shows negligence. The fact that DCI is now putting into place self-described fail-safe policies, is --again-- only a reaction to the work that someone completely unconnected with drum corps [the reporter] has managed to find out ahead of the expert organization that has overseen it for well over 40 years!
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Can we just sign up for messaging service that will text us every 12 hours with a list of those who are NOT facing any sort of allegations? It might be simpler.
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Just now, Jeff Ream said:
Here’s the thing about the call: we only know what Rice said on RAMD. We don’t have a transcript of the whole call. I’m not defending either one, just stating an obvious fact
Completely agreed. I don't know how you begin to discover the truth of what precisely happened... a legal proceeding would potentially bring witnesses of some sort forward. I'm not saying it will go that direction.
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20 minutes ago, N.E. Brigand said:
For instance, I was part of a public book discussion club in 2004-2005. Then the person who ran the site went off to grad school, and all the content was lost. There was a first-class discussion of Catch-22 that taught me so much more about that book than you'd ever find in the likes of Cliffs Notes. Who promoted Peress!?
True, of course. I'll revise my point and say that we don't know what will be saved or not. If Murphy is running the internet, it won't be the post we made about making cookies with grandma while watching drum corps on PBS.
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On the Acheson article, it can be viewed in two time periods, historically in 2003 and now, 15 years later. Also, the fact that we are all now aware of multiple accusers of GH coming forward can taint our perspective of how believable the source was in 2003.
If the phone call happened, let's say hypothetically that --at the very least-- Acheson became aware of a rumor (unsubstantiated or not, first or second hand) that GH was engaging in sexual behavior with a corps member(s); did Acheson break the law by not doing anything with that information (assuming he did nothing with it)? I don't know the legal obligations he would have had then. Rather than directing fire at the person who made the alleged phone call (why didn't you call other people, etc.), the question is should Acheson --even back then-- have done something with that information? Even looking at it through 2003-eyes, I can't find a valid excuse for him doing nothing with it, or dismissing it without doing any follow-up at all.
I can stipulate that the cultural norms surrounding sexual-harassment back then are different than they are now, but I think that if you were the parent (then or now) of the victim, your reaction would have been the same: "You had been informed my daughter was possibly being abused and you did nothing?" Therefore, even in 2003, I would think that this phrase would have at some point come into Acheson's mind and once it did, should have been the driving force that would move him to some level of action.
What should happen now, with the revelation of this article is that DCI should suspend Acheson while they hire an outside agency to conduct an investigation.
We just saw what happened at Yea! when an internal agency investigated itself, "All's well, boss --pay no attention to the men behind the curtain." In this case, though, there is no higher sanctioning organization above DCI. The only thing above DCI is IPD (Indianapolis Police Department), or authorities in Lombard.
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Maybe one thing we can all agree on --and this is a good lesson to learn from-- once it is out on the internet it is there for good... just depends on how much digging someone wants to do.
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45 minutes ago, 2000Cadet said:
Which is why calling for their season to be cancelled is BS.
I don't think the idea of cancelling the season would be levied as a punishment but -if it were canceled- it would be due to a lack of leadership to guarantee beyond all reasonable doubt that the corps can protect its members. Regardless of how SK came to be the interim CEO, the fact that they have now dismissed or suspended 2 directors in a row, in just 2 days... the only thing that could make that worse is if it had happened on the same day, or if they had dismissed 3 in a row. I don't know... would you have better job security at Yea! or in the Trump White House --it's a toss up!
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When she awoke the next morning, Hopkins was gone. He had left a Cadets T-shirt on the nightstand.
This is unreal... not meaning that I don't believe it is real, but just... I. Am. Floored.
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The man Beyer said she confided in, Sean King, last week was named as Hopkins’ interim replacement.
...stunned if this is true. OK, board of directors #2 out... time for panel #3!
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You mean he’d show up at an event? Holy crap. There would be some major league heckling.
You mean, "Holy Name" crap!
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1 hour ago, rmm155 said:
DCI's ethics and compliance page now shows:
This includes ethics concerns, as well as alleged violations of DCI’s values, code of conduct, and policies prohibiting discrimination, harassment, sexual misconduct, and retaliation.
The "code of conduct" is no longer capitalized... but is there an actual written code of conduct? Again until seeing this, I'm unsure of what they are asking everyone to adhere to specifically. Fore example, they indicate that they prohibit discrimination. This is false. They openly condone discrimination by allowing the Scouts and Cavies to deny women access to auditioning for those corps.
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If one lawsuit goes forward, you can bet that the Cadets and Yea! will be named in it and will need to hire a defense team. It is at this point they will exhaust their funds (even without a ruling against them) unless a super-wealthy alum steps in or they raise souvie prices (care for a $900 shirt?)... if they exist at all it will be in "Holy Name" only, dba "The Cadebts." I hope this doesn't happen, but looking at the litigious world around us, it seems plausible.
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I'm wondering how anyone can come to a conclusion about what DCI stands for and is able/willing to do now or before without actually seeing their elusive "DCI Code of Conduct."
From the DCI Website: These are ongoing actions to ensure safety procedures throughout the entire organization as well as strict adherence to the DCI Code of Conduct.
There is no hyperlink to it (was there ever?) and it doesn't come up in their own search bar. I would think STEP 1 would be to make it known to every corps member and parent. If a corps says, "Oh we've read through it... here's what you need to know," well that [obviously] is not good enough. I would want to see the unfiltered, unvarnished version.
I would say this document is a pretty large component of what some of the discussions here are revolving around. If anyone has a copy, it would be beneficial to see it.
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Yes, a compliance director or an ombudsman should be put in place immediately --touring hasn't started but camps/rehearsals have. The ombudsman [or woman] would not be affiliated with or directly paid by any corps -this is essential so that anyone reporting knows their reports are not simply being tossed around within the corps itself, where the problem is occurring. The funding for this position(s) would be paid by each corps to DCI as a condition of participation. The fact that this position is not in place already (as of many years ago, pick an arbitrary starting date) --that it will be put into place reactively instead of proactively-- has helped fuel the crisis we now are living through. Think of the countless hundreds-of-thousands of dollars spent over the last x-number of years on equipment, staff, etc. to create state-of-the-art shows; if only a fraction of that had been spent in the way described above, we would possibly have averted this and saved some people from some scarring experiences.
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http://digital.olivesoftware.com/Olive/ODN/PhiladelphiaInquirer/Default.aspx
This appears to be the digital edition of the 2nd article, dated today.
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1 minute ago, TRacer said:
DCI assessing a fine would be s tough call but I could see alumni coming together to address that ob$tacle.
I see more “sting” in the form of He Who Shall Not Be Named’s HOF induction being revoked. Championships being vacated would be another blow with no “new winner” declared in solo years (e.g., ‘87, ‘90, ‘93, etc.) and instead being noted with the dreaded asterisk while the “tie year” (‘00) would revert to the co-champion. Before I get flamed please note that while drastic this idea is not without precedent in college athletics, and since DCI bills itself as “Marching Music’s Major Leagues” internationally then drastic may be in order.
Possibly a fine. I'm still trying to figure out what DCI's Code of Conduct is (it is alluded to on their website, but with no link to it) to really lay that against what GH has done... within that Code of Conduct, I would assume it would spell out the penalties that could be levied should someone break it.
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I have a question that will inform my opinion as to how deep the housecleaning needs to go at Yea! Someone here probably knows the answer...
is the current Yea! BOD the same BOD that approved the hiring of Scott Acheson? And equally important, were they aware of his conviction?
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5 minutes ago, Fred Windish said:
My only contention is corrective action needs to be swift, meaningful, and noticeable. One person resigning is not sufficient. That much was already expected by all observers.
Again, I'm confident the Cadets will be fine after a good house-cleaning. I plan to, at least, cheer the members through this mess.
Yes... swift action. Apparently the Cadets or Yea! have already removed the traces of GH on their website
https://yea.org/bio-pop/21-static/yea/24-george-hopkins-bio
This used to link to his bio... not any more!
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1 minute ago, rysa4 said:
Just finished reading the article and many of the comments. I expect many on the Cadets staff will soon resign after finding other positions. Many Cadets members will leave, and DCI right now has their calculators out and may ban the Cadets from competition this year. Quite horrible news and very painful for those of us who have been part of the organization as members and then as alumni over the years. I respect the women for coming forward and sharing their pain while doing the right thing.
Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. If others are guilty they may quit before allegations ever surface, saving a lot of grief for all. I'm not sure the Cadets members will leave, as long as they see that change has been instituted. I think, also, that the good people who have come through the ranks of the Cadets over the years will pull together to fill in any gaps needed as transitions occur. This corps goes back to 1934 with an alumni list longer than probably any other corps out there. I think few are ready to throw in the towel, but they are ready for a good cleansing of the "soul" of the corps.
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Sunday Philly Enquirer... how can there be more to this... this is already bad enough.
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1 minute ago, garfield said:
And?
Your opinion of that is what?
I wonder how that compares with other world-class corps director salaries? Related to this particular thread, I wonder if he will be asked to repay any of this. Mainly, I was trying to get a sense of what type of money might be there for someone suing him or Yea! to go after.
The Cadets and GH history of sexual abuse (news article)
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
Posted · Edited by JMS1995
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In regard to Yea! hiring the Chicago law firm of Franczek and Radelet, with Jennifer Smith leading the investigation:
Now, with the luck that Yea! has had so far in appointing various people and boards, we aren't going to find these names in the annals of Cadets' history, are we... like Jen's mom's cousin marched 3rd kazoo in 1956? Then we might need the law firm to get a lawyer... and heck, we've already got enough of that going on, right?!