Jaffo Nerr
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Does anyone really believe the members of the drum corps would in any way be worse off if DCI was disbanded?
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5 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said:
Yes.
Right. Which brings us to the question of board inaction.
Which apparently obtained for decades, until they read about it in the paper
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6 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said:
I doubt they knew specifics
If they had a non-specific but more generalized sense of episodic or systematic violations, should the board still have an interest in examining the situation for the safety of the Cadets?
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The questions that pertain, now that that basic facts of the violations are known are:
Did DCI's board know of GH's violations?
For how long?
What incentivized their silence?
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The questions that pertain, now that that basic facts of the violations are known are:
Did DCI's board know of GH's violations?
For how long?
What incentivized their silence?
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6 minutes ago, bishtom said:
New nickname for Hopkins:
Inmate.
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9 minutes ago, jjeffeory said:
Do you not understand that victims almost always feel like they're going to be blamed?
Yes and I hate it. Drum corps is not supposed to be like normal life and everyone is cynical and why trust or ask for help, the whole world sucks, give up and accept rape as normal, etc.
Everyone here goes on and on and on about the unique experience and blah blah blah but when nudge comes to rape it's just like everything else, even sports.
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4 minutes ago, N.E. Brigand said:
The corps' 990 forms have in fact been the subject of much discussion on these very forums, but as someone who has to work on a 990 each year, I know that they don't actually tell you all that much about the details.
Right, but they can provide information required to connect events or persons/organizations and forge a coherent narrative. Even by naming a consulting company or group, the reference can lead to associations with principals not explicitly named on the 990 but available in sec.state/corporations archives.
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2 minutes ago, garfield said:
So... this is... a friend of the guard girl who was present? Or is this another staff member who was present and didn't say anything?
Again I ask: Why are you trying to blame these girls for not coming forward?
Or their "witnesses"? Why are you blaming them instead of the perpetrator of the abuse?
You're credibility is not bolstered by your contention. You're quickly becoming incendiary. The mods like incendiary.
Present or heard and didn't say anything.
The witnesses/victims are heroes.
No blame. Just the sense that the place was so sideways victims felt *they* would be blamed - for anything - for reporting the abuse.
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3 minutes ago, Tim K said:
Your statement cannot be more incorrect. Predators use their power to silence, and usually have admirers, and very often are at the helm for years. Recently James Levine of the Metropolitan Opera was fired. He has organizational power spanning decades. Jerry Sandusky comes to mind as well. In cases of school leaders, clergy people, scout leaders, those who are predators are often loved and respected. Prior to these stories being released, if I heard rumors of this nature involving GH, I probably would not have believed them or at least may have questioned them because he is such a lightning rod in the activity. Having actual allegations changes everything.
Why Garfield? Why drum corps? Why schools, why churches, why work places, why at bars and night clubs? Why in the home? Why at anytime in any place?
Mr. K, you are 110% correct. We all want to believe justice can be swift and stem the tides of perfidy and it blinds us to truths like these sometimes.
Most all of these stories, I can't read. I see the headline and glance at the lead and forget them.
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Just now, garfield said:
Would you please explain the logic of this sentence? If something is unreported, how can it be responded to?
You're blaming these victims for not coming forward. Why?
Yes, if it is observed by a participant who chose not to report it.
Not at all. I am observing they didn't feel comfortable grabbing the nearest guy, member, alum, instructor, cop or peanut vendor and telling him she was harmed and he needs to put his fist through the perpetrator's face.
And this situation pertained for decades.
What does that tell you? About Garfield? About drum corps?
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7 minutes ago, garfield said:
Wait, I have a direct line to Clive Cussler <insert your favorite adventure mystery writer>.
Hold while I get him on the line so you can weave this tale.
Gosh, thank you. But there is no story, just resources that are much more easily recruitable than 20 years ago:
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/search?utf8=✓&q=public+990&state[id]=PA&ntee[id]=1
Non-profit forms 990 are just available like never before. Any librarian or reporter know that.
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1 minute ago, GUARDLING said:
No place is immune to this sort of thing
Sex crimes perpetrated by an individual with organization authority spanning decades unreported and unresponded to is kinda, sorta unusual, you have to admit.
Why Garfield?
Why drum corps?
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3 minutes ago, BRASSO said:
I think the rain in Spain falls mainly in the plain, Jaffo.
But I've never been to Spain.
But I kinda like the Music.
OMG! OMG! If you're saying what I think you're trying to say, no. In drum corps? No.
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18 minutes ago, garfield said:
as your choice of language likely reveals is your intent,
So, it is a thought crime to question the culpability of DCI?
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3 minutes ago, IllianaLancerContra said:
Indy Star is who did the first Larry Nasser investigation (USA Gymnastics). Their reporters understand the issues very well.
Ball game. They'll know how to proceed on the human dimension. Thankfully, the tax returns are all online these days which gives reporters a head start on financial aspects that may be of interest in parsing systemic abuses.
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2 minutes ago, BRASSO said:
Hey, Mr. Troll. Come on in, and take an seat on DCP. Hows it goin ?
So, you think it is standard operating procedure to expect guys to be pressed for favors by instructors?
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4 minutes ago, GUARDLING said:
Im not sure they arent born like this BUT if we truly knew all those answers we would be able to maybe stop it, why do people cheat, kill, steal, lie, etc etc
Best we can do is safeguard, educate, observe, speak out when seen, etc.
The fact that every one of these abused people didn't think they could go get any other member or instructor and deal justice to Hopkins is all you need to know. Every one of them should have marched in confidence they'd never have to accept abuse and that every member, alum and instructor would be behind them to respond appropriately if they were abused. No response = permission. That is what I mean by these monsters are made.
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2 minutes ago, GUARDLING said:
who is excusing these allegations...seems quite the opposite
No, the stuff before the public, published allegations.
Where do you think Hopkins came from?
These kinds of monsters are made - not born.
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3 minutes ago, garfield said:
Those participating on this thread have done a masterful job of containing emotion and not letting conversations become abusive or derailed.
You threaten that. You're likely going to be reported and banned, ending your efforts to be controversial.
You'd do well to back off your snark and tone down your rhetoric.
Otherwise, maybe the Facebook DCP is a better platform for your "campaign".
Right. We need to be nice to DCI and make sure everyone understands mistakes were made but we are reasonable people who don't get excited. Maybe after another 8 Hopkinses are in the papers, someone can stop excusing this stuff.
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3 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said:
But I was actually thinking of male predators and male victims...like the Boston Globe and Spotlight detailed.
OMG. 'Thinking' here = cases in fact known to you?
Who would have ever dreamed to just march D&B unabused you'd need a concealed carry permit.
EEK!
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Just now, Terri Schehr said:
You don’t believe young males are victimized?
Couldn't imagine it. You talking about senior female instructor/managers pressing the young guys - or the other configuration?
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2 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said:
And alumnus.
Eek. You're joking.
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29 minutes ago, Florida Sun said:
my question is how will th city of Allentown react to the Cadets being on the front page of news papers all across the country ?Still with open arms ,or here's the door get out .
The question that every newspaper in America and Canada is asking now is "Does this town have one of these drum corps things?" That and "How do we track down the victimized alumna?"
The Cadets and GH history of sexual abuse (news article)
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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Online Petition Calls For YEA Board To Resign Amid Allegations
Group tops 2,500 signatures
http://www.wfmz.com/news/lehigh-valley/online-petition-calls-for-yea-board-to-resign-amid-allegations/726504071
ALLENTOWN, Pa. - Fallout continues from the scandal rocking Allentown's famed Cadets drum and bugle corps.
An online petition is circling calling for the Board of Directors of Youth Education in the Arts to resign following the group's longtime director's resignation amid sexual misconduct allegations.
A group called 'The Cadets and Friends' started the petition on change.org Friday night.
The group originally asked for 2,500 signatures, which they achieved and are now looking for 5,000.
Following a Philadelphia Inquirer story earlier this week which published nine allegations of sexual misconduct against former Allentown Cadets Director, George Hopkins. Hopkins resigned despite denying the accusations.
The Board of Directors of Youth Education in the Arts also put out a statement calling this a "painful moment."
The board also said it conducted an investigation into the matter and claimed "there was no cooperation at all from anyone making those accusations."
They went on to say "no responsible board of directors can take action based solely on anonymous allegations."
Upset about the response, the group 'The Cadets and Friends' started the a change.org petition asking for the resignation of the Board of Directors for YEA!.
'The Cadets and Friends' said in its petition, "it has become clear that this Board is incapable or unwilling to address the actual problem."
The group goes on to call the YEA! statement "the worst kind of victim blaming."
Some who signed the petition explained why they did.
Chris Perdikos commented "Drum corps members, staff and volunteers need to feel safe at all times !!"
Lenette Haliburton said "I'm still honestly shocked that an organization would keep something like this under the radar for so long."
Yet, we've learned this is not the first time the Allentown Cadets have dealt with scandal this year.
In January, the organization dismissed its Brass Caption Head and contract worker, Scott Atchison after working for the Cadets for just a few months.
According to media reports from 2003, Atchison was arrested in California on an allegation of videotaping a 17-year-old female student changing in a private room while serving as a high school band director.
Atchison resigned after his arrest.
On the site Drum Corps Planet... one person who identifies himself as SLA writes "it's time to set the record straight."
"2003 I was falsely accused of wrong doing during my tenure as a teacher in California."
I have consistently said nothing wrong took place."
Though the court records show Atchison was found guilty, the poster SLA says,
"...that charge was later dismissed."
And court records back that up.
The YEA board released a statement to 69 News in reference to Atchison saying quote:
"YEA! only employs people who pass the required background check."
Drum Corps International ... the body that sanctions the Cadets said it is conducting its own investigation.
It is unclear what 'The Cadets and Friends' next step will be should it get the 2500 signatures it's seeking.