madcontra99
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It's easy to whine and complain about others when your hiding behind a screen name.
I find it peculiar as well that people complain about what others are doing, have absolutely no factual basis, other than saying they got this place or that place, yet have probably never warn a uniform or been out there having the amazing experiences.
Instead, the once again spout off their banter without looking up the facts.
It's really easy to say that you've studied a piece of music because your HS band butchered it and you heard a recording once. It's much different to know where the source material came from and actually have an opinion.
Hey OJ, if you want to have a pissing contest about where Pioneer's source material came from, i.e. the pieces they have listed, we can, but I must warn you, I do not play fair, and I will win.
Oh, and if you want to talk about titles and music not fitting, ok, here's a couple.
1. Cavaliers 1997-"The Firebird" with the opening bassoon solo from The Rite of Spring.
2. Glassmen 2003-Using October as Earth? Does that make sense to you?
Point is, they worked, because they fit the visual and musical program.
OJ, what's your beef with Pioneer anyway, get cut or something?
Oh, and someone gets upset or wonders, no, I did not march Pioneer, I just have respect for people and groups enough to give them a fair shake before I base an opinion on something, rather than using words that have no foundation.
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"The music of Gustav Von Holst, Percy Grainger, and Sir William Walton will be a part of the musical and visual journey that reflects on Celtic culture and its music."
Are the English folk songs that inspired the works of Grainger and Holst really of Celtic tradition? Probably not...And it's safe to say that William Walton was influenced more by other European composers and American music than by Irish/Celtic music.
Will this be portrayed as clouded, incoherent reflections?
Ok....
So you obviously know what a drum corps needs to be competitive, so why don't you apply for a position with a corps.
Besides that, have you heard the show, do you know your facts, or are you one of these people that never marched but still finds their way into these threads to spout off their useless banter because you have a right to your opinion.
Have you studied the music that they're playing, are you a musicologist, because if you are, you would know your comments about the source material are loosely based on minimal studies of textbooks that are not historically accurate, and that Pioneer IS in fact using source material that IS ROOTED in Celtic traditions.
Furthermore, your comments about the Cavaliers...well if people are calling for them to play Variations it WOULD be a good idea for several reasons. 1-if it is a samurai show, then using a piece such a Variations fits. 2-this piece has been used by the Cavaliers so it would be an homage to their past/traditions-oh no, not that!!! 3. If it fits the overall show, it should be done.
Source material listings do not mean a show will be good or bad. So for all of you out there with your righteous opinions that you are entitled to should either take a back seat and wait until things unfold, OR join a staff where your opinion will be taken and used. Although, some of you should probably graduate HS or age out before you are a staff member, unless you can find a corps that will hire you, in which case, right on!
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What about a comprehensive brass book.
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I think it would be interesting. It would depend upon what they judge. I mean, they are dance judges, so I guess they could judge something alont those lines...mayb.e
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Look...
is it good for Spirit, YES, but John Georgeson did a great job writing Madisons book last year, and I am sure the writer for 2008 will do a great job.
Did Scott write a ton of great books for Madison, yes, but there are other writers that can write for them.
This will be a good thing for Spirit though
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Look, if a group needs duts to have a clean attack then they need to be taught better.
I have yet to see a good reason why they are used.
I have seen many people say that if you don't dut you can't have a clean attack or good timing, but people, if that's your belief, your not going to take other opinions, so it's not worth arguing.
But what it comes down to is that corps should just be taught better, plain and simple.
It's called watching, and having good timing in your feet, brought on by watching and learning. Plain and simple.
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As a contra player though, it would be hard to march and play come to jesus in whole notes, but that's just me.
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No, I guess it hasn't been "proven" just an observation of watching movement, and the amount of, as well as listening to music and thinking about things such as oh, range, technical passages, overall scoring of the program.
But I guess long stand stills and whole notes are just as difficult as moving and covering the entire field and fast horn licks with lots of use of range colors.
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Wow...you spent a lot of words to tell me what I already know.
Madison had way fewer numbers than the other corps mentioned.
Fewer numbers lessen the likelihood that the talent will be similar. It's because the talent pool is smaller.
You refuse to mention that fact that drummers usually account for about 50% of the total audition pool. But, hey, I'll let you slide.
Then there's that judge thing.
Then I got to see all three corps...same shows...same field. I'm a low brass player for over 35 years.
So, you stick to your little thesis that the Scouts talent level was equal or better than the other two corps and I'll stick to mine.
BECAUSE, that was the original issue...someone mentioned that the "talent level wasn't the issue." I say it was.
Ok...so with those thoughts, explain this. Why did Madison have the more challenging musical book, and dare I say visual? And more entertaining. I mean nothing against the Blue Stars, but there is only so far they will go with that sort of difficulty.
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I not only find them annoying, but doesn't this say something about who is (or perhaps isn't) focusing on the drum major/conductor? Isn't it their job to keep time and cue the section to come in together? Our section never used them, never needed them. We watch the major.
Or am I being too old-school in thinking this?
No, you were just taught well.
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Ok...
So let me get this straight, because I as an educator with my marching groups don't use dutting, and we have strong timing, but let me get this straight.
So...
We need them for timing. Ok, I get that. But comments are made about needing them now more than the past and whatever. So here's where I find the issue. Let's say we have 9 snares, and they are at a 2 step interval. Let's say one end point is on the back hash on the side 2 45. That means snare number 9 is on the other side of the field, that's a pretty wide spread. So if we have our center snare dutting, isn't it going to be heard later by the members that are further from the center snare, well YES, the answer can only be YES. It's physics.
So, instead of watching the DM and having good timing taught to us through a fundamental approach to playing, as well as tempo exercises during ensemble, we use an approach that will teach poor tempo simply by physics and delay in sound.
I mean if your drumlines need dutting, fine, that's how you teach, great, but, why does it need to be done in a way that takes away from various other moments.
Oh, by the way, I am brass AND percussionists before some of you decide to blast me as a contra player or one of the "horn players."
And if you want to REALLY get into this. Take some time to think about the delay that tuba/contra players have due to tubing and staging. I have had to play segments of shows 1 full count ahead just to be in time, didn't need an audible metronome to do that. Just something to think about before those of us that are percussionists dismiss peoples opinions because they are just horn players. Just take a moment to understand.
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Check my signature, please.
In 2004, Malaga was a completely different tune before going into everydays. Michael Cesario cut a LOT of it. For further illustration, look at Jamey Thompson's drill from Madison in '04 to PR in '05. It's the same guy. Why do you think it looks so different?
Effort? I think Jamey is a good drill writer, but I think that he may have put more effort into PR 2005.
If he did put a lot of effort into both shows, well then he got a heck of a lot stronger as a designer between 2004 and 2005. His stuff for PR was great...that thing he did for Madison, not so much, IMHO.
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We need more corps directors flipping the bird, at anyone too.
That's a drinking moment on an old drum corps drinking game.
I wish I could find that game.
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The wedge/leg kick thing is something that fits only a few spots in my opinion.
So if your doing a show about birds, a kick wedge doesn't fit, like it would in, oh Shostakovich 5.
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Chad's name was on Madison's site for a few days for education/recruitment? Anyone know where it went?
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Isn't this an announcement, why haven't you moderators moved it!
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When was Scott Boerma ever on a leash? Name the owner of such a leash. I think ye talks out of the arse on that.
From what I have been told, he was on a pretty short leash in 2006, and maybe the previous couple of years.
as I understand it, he left because others were asked to leave, both current and in the past and he disagreed with the BoD on those decisions.There was a post on here by Michael Boo in late August/early September 2006 stating that Scott Boerma and the rest of the brass staff from the 2006 Madison Scouts had resigned.
Problem is, at that time, the corps was searching for a new director/executive. Which means that whoever the new director(s) were going to be would come in and decide who they were going to hire/ask back, etc., that being said...didn't he choose to leave a position that wasn't his until he was asked to come back for 2007? Just a thought.
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It has to do with the fact that there was a discussion about being classy earlier.
And well...I find calling a group off the field class-less.
Look, you all get your opinions, and well, I get mine.
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Yeah, i've marched plenty of shows without hashes, and I was able to not get killed and know where I was going because, well...I knew where I was going and not staring at the ground.
Just my thoughts.
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Hilarious. Especially if you actually read my post and new what I was getting at.
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Hmmm...contact DCI directly about this maybe? Or just post about it on a site not affiliated with DCI.
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Are we in this much of a politically correct world that we can't even have an idea like this without the ####### polite police pissing on the parade.
I mean seriously, if they did something like that would it be class-less, well sure, but if, and only if pulling kids off the field during a quarters is class-less.
Oh, and was that done out of safety? Well ####, I was always taught not to look at the ground and stare down there, so get a new visual technique if you have to look at the blades of grass.
But let people voice what they would like to see, and if a corps wants to poke fun at something, well then do it.
Let's get off our high horses, take off the glasses that show us this politically correct world, and let people be who or what they want to be.
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But wait...where is Jafar to tell us all that Scouts are folding?
Pioneer 2008 show announcement
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Then why do you flame all over this topic.