rut-roh
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Isn't going for it really better for the activity than surgical precision?
Not if it doesn't really make sense in the context of how the corps is generating a specific effect. Less is sometimes more.
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Context is impressive to me.
I could care less if a corps is running all over the field playing a million notes (even if they do it brilliantly) if it doesn't fit into the context of the effect they're trying to generate. If it's there just to say 'look at how much running we do and how many notes we play,' then I'm not impressed, and no I don't think it should necessarily be automatically rewarded. And honestly, if a corps who is playing less notes and moving less is doing a better job of generating their effect (less is more), then I believe it should be rewarded.
Just as I believe that loud doesn't always equal good, I also believe that lots of notes and running around doesn't always equal good. Sometimes, everything a show needs, it has. Even without the million notes and running all over the place.
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These are the shows that reflect the fact that their design staff didn't get the memo that the days of the boring artsy-fartsy shows are coming to an end.
These are also known as beer corps. Of course they do have a place in dci....it gives us a chance to get to the parking lot for a refreshing break!Not to be missed because they have decided to reach out to the general audience and give us something that excites us.
Please don't speak for "us." Thanks.
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Well, by legendary I mean the old guys that have that story behing them...
Every corps has a story behind them, regardless of how competitively successful they've been. Some of those stories are endlessly fascinating in their own right, and for any corps to survive this long and in this day and age, I'd say to an extent they are ALL legendary.
List of World Class Corps and their founding dates......
Academy - 2001
Blue Devils - 1957
Blue Knights - 1958
Blue Stars - 1964
Bluecoats - 1972
Boston Crusaders - 1940
The Cadets - 1934
Carolina Crown - 1990
Cascades - 1957
The Cavaliers - 1948
Colts - 1963
Crossmen - 1975
Glassmen - 1961
Jersey Surf - 1990
Madison Scouts - 1938
Mandarins - 1963
Pacific Crest - 1993
Phantom Regiment - 1956
Pioneer - 1973
Santa Clara Vanguard - 1967
Spirit - 1976
Troopers - 1957
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What makes a corps "legendary" is debatable.
DCI founding corps in 1972:
Blue Stars
Cavaliers
Madison Scouts
Phantom Regiment
Santa Clara Vanguard
Troopers
Corps that came into the DCI fold during the 1970's
Blue Devils
Bluecoats
Blue Knights
Boston Crusaders
Colts
Crossmen
Holy Name Cadets (Garfield Cadets, Cadets of Bergen County, The Cadets)
Seattle Cascades
Spirit (Spirit of Atlanta)
Corps that came around in the 80's or early 90's:
Carolina Crown
Glassmen
Jersey Surf
Mandarins
Newest corps from the late 90's till now:
The Academy
Pacific Crest
I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the Garfield Cadets and Boston Crusaders were founding corps of DCI.
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But Effect judges do evaluate performance. The two effect sub-captions are repertoire and performance.
And I agree that being clean is definitely an effect. With the way the activity of drum and bugle corps is (stress on uniformity, coordination, etc...), I would even say that being clean is the most important aspect of an effect. Maybe not all effects are like this, but things like 10 snares playing licks in perfect unison, or 36 guard members spinning their flags exactly together are part of what make drum corps effective and exciting.
Yes, yes, yes, yes and YES. In my experience dealing with DCI judges, this is certainly true.
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Haha, looking back and reading some of this stuff, this thread is pretty funny.
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Yes, the entire visual judging panel was different than their last performance. Actually, two of the three visual judges at last night's show had not adjudicated Crown all year. This was their first read. Clarke Williams has seen them five times, including last night. Before that, his last viewing was at the Chesapeake show on July 7.
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Yes, it’s true. I spent a free day in Boulder with my Cavalier son the day after it occurred. The member was sent home. Actually, the other corps members took the incident extremely seriously and were disappointed at his actions. There were plans for a sincere apology to the Blue Devils.
No one can deny The Cavaliers love to have fun, but they also know when a prank goes to far….
Hear that sound?? That's the sound of me standing and applauding. I totally agree with their decision and I can only hope that certain other corps follow suit when it comes to these things.
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Toss up between 2003-2005 and 2006.
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Yeah, the judges showed so much love for BD that night by "only" letting Phantom beat them by .025. Phantom should've won by at least 32,000.
You're on crack. They should have won by elevnty BILLION!
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High horse, party of one.
Get back to me when you've actually spoken to these corps about what they've been through during this process. Until then, save your judgmental nonsense for something about which you're more qualified to comment.
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WHAT ??
makes no sense.
It might if you heard all sides of the story. Not that I have, just sayin......
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Some corps just don't have the people who can do the job and have focused their efforts on other areas of operation. If someone feels as if their favorite corps isn't taking advantage of the media opportunities, perhaps they can inquire directly about why or maybe even offer their services if they have the time and the know-how.
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The only thing I expect from the tickets I buy is that every corps go out there and give me the best effort they've got. Whether that means their show is complete or not. To date, I have never been disappointed.
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It should not take that long to record the show, edit the video file, then convert it into .flv for uploading. If someone was paying me to do it, I could have it done very quickly.
Hmmm, rant online to people who really can't do anything about it? Or perhaps contact DCI and offer your obviously expert services?
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Awful. Just awful. And that includes the corps proper and the color guard (and yes, I know what the theme of the show is, and no, I don't care...they still look awful). This is such a garbled mess of color the likes of which I haven't seen on a drum corps field in a very long time.
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Do I defend a staff's choice to do what they like, what they're good at, what they're comfortable with, and what they feel (and what has been proven) works best for them? Even if I may not care for it as a matter of my own personal taste? ABSOLUTELY. I have a hard time understanding how someone could have a hard time understanding that.
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Sigh... 80 brass and they refuse to put out the sound. Balanced shmallanced. There are a lot of corps out their blowing the stands back with very high quality controlled and balanced sound. Cavies need to get off their holier than thou approach to brass and start playing for cryin out loud! Thanks for the review!
Or maybe YOU can get off your holier than thou soapbox and let them go with the approach their staff are most comfortable with. And the approach that seems to have worked for them in the past.
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Or maybe I'm confused on which part he is referring. I said it was a whistle (or police whistle). The RUMBLE SCENCE (My favorite). I thought he was talking about that scene.
I'm talking about the famous whistle that starts the original musical, the gang whistle.
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1984. The Cadets did WSS using the regular good ole whistle on the front line. They also used an IRON tire cover to beat on to make the sounds needed. The horn line used their horns to make the horn sounds in their wonderful arrangement. They also used the hand cranker as well.
That must not be the same 1984 Garfield show I've been watching all these years. The parts in question were played by the xylophones in the pit. Not by any whistles. There were no percussive whistles anywhere in that show that I could hear. And I just re-watched it over on Ytube (as well as the Pittsburgh performance of this year's HNC for comparison of the parts in question), just to reassure myself that I'm not losing my mind.
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Wrong. Sounds like you work for the three-valve lobby on K Street.
No, he's got it about right.
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As for the Cadets' whistle...
I think it's pretty clear that it's use IS musical, as it includes a series of defined pitches. If they are using one button for the sequence, that's illegal. But frankly, it wouldn't be that hard to produce the same effect by using three keys (one for each pitch) or one key with a pitch-bender (adhering to the rule quite nicely as it's one keystroke and two bends). I think the second option would be a really cool way of producing the sound while still adhering to the rule.
As stated, they are not simply pushing a button and letting the entire sequence play. They are adhering to the one stroke/one note guideline.
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I'll give that to you regarding voice, and will agree that whistling is not voice.
But whistling is musical or melodic and thus should still be covered by the one stroke- one note rule. Prerecorded whistling that is started by the push of one button sounds to me like a rule infringement.
Not sure if this has been made clear yet or not, but the Cadets ARE performing that whole opening sequence using the one stroke/one note guideline, as it was a pre-recorded human whistle which was altered electronically.
Demand vs. Execution
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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Well, if I dissect every show I see from all the corps, I find parts of every show that are challenging and parts of every show that are "safe," so I guess all I can say is that if it works, it works. Safe, challenging, or somewhere in between (which, to me, characterizes most shows in any given year). When it comes to those individual "moments" which add up to complete any corps' performance, sometimes easy works better than all that fuss. Sometimes it doesn't. I'm glad there's room for both.