Gator Eagle
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yes - why don't you put your hate for Hopkins to work by trying to damage an organization which benefits thousands of students and marching members
be careful - your true colors are showing! :shutup:/>
They would be better off at another organization and learn from a leader that doesn't think we are all backwards here in the glorious South. Don't you want your kids learning that all people - Mississippi people included - are considered equal?
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Given that - you should know...
NPO have BOD - and donors - and participants// so there are built in "checks and balances" all over the place.
Depends on how the Board is nominated/selected/voted in/terms of service. Maybe they recycle themselves themselves over and over.
Term limits on the Board? Don't know.
If he were accountable to shareholders and made the statements he did he'd be out of there like Vladomir. I might look up the major donors to YEA on the 990 and send them a personal letter telling them why their investment is foolish given his comments.
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It is assigned by the host show director.
Now, I'll admit, when BD was in town last year we gave them the nicest facility in hopes that they would be impressed enough to come back again (remember, the corps choose to do a show or not).
But, I can tell you for sure that what we had to put up with virtually guaranteed that we'll never do that again. In fact, this year, Blue Stars are staying at one of the nicest facilities because this will be their third year in our show.
They appreciate us, and we appreciate them. It's just that simple.
I don't know who you are but thank you very, very much for your hard work for the corps - all of them. I feel your pain and all these people not getting our angst need to realize that bi*ching about a bad housing site in the South is shooting themselves in the foot.
You Cadet apologists: Try living and going to school at those places you think are "inferior" in the South full-time. Our taxes pay for those facilities, as "bad" as they are. Our kids go to school there - and like us make their memories there that will sustain generations. We volunteer our hours there as PTA participants - at the concession stands on football Friday nights - and at the band contests on Saturdays. Those are our facilities, our gymnasiums, our practice fields...and our kids that we are darn proud of. Fact is we'll run circles around you all week and twice on Sunday.
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You think YEA! is little? That's cute.
No. Cadets are a little part of YEA. It's still a relatively minor non-profit, in the grand scheme of things. I'm part of a multi-million one myself. It can get incestual with someone with an inflated ego with no checks & balances if you're not careful. Especially one that makes disparaging remarks about a part of the country THEY ARE CURRENTLY IN.
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So Hop held a gun to Dan Acheson's head at a board meeting and said "If you don't side with me, I'll blow danny's head off". So they begrudgingly agreed. And agreed to nev speak of the incident in public again?
I think we both know there is much, much more to it than that. George Hopkins, as we've seen time and time again (especially the last few days) needs to realize that he is not emotionally stable enough to lead the entirety of DCI. He can have his little cadets and YEA. That's enough.
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I'm curious, what did he do to you personally make you hate him? Hate is a pretty strong word.
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/BUSINESS/08/12/drum.corps.trouble/index.html
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It doesn't suck out west, but you can have bad experiences everywhere. A drum corps though isn't paying $5.00 for a meal at McDonalds, they're dropping hundreds or thousands of dollars for housing sites. I think it's reasonable to expect that it's a site your group can be happy with. The corps I was with had a pretty rough experience with a housing site in the South, (no AC, cockroaches in the TWO shower stalls, cramped gym) but I don't blame the whole south. Just a sucky housing site. But I wasn't paying for it. The corps hasn't gone back to that particular school since though.
Please feel free to stay at the local Hilton next time.
BTW, those are palmetto bugs, not roaches ;-) It's the South, DUH.
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Your last sentence just undermined everything else you said.
When he is truly genuine in his apology & actions, so will I be. His reputation precedes him, and even us genteel Southerners have been taught: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
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The fact that what one individual (who isn't famous) said about an entire region of the country in a FB post was published in the paper, shows that we as a people, need to have more problems in our lives. Absolutely pathetic to make a newspaper article about it.
I'm embarrassed for MS. Instead of complaining about how rude and unfair it was, why don't you show him why he shouldn't say bad things about the South and make it a great experience?
There are plenty of folks in the south who hate anyone who lives north of I-40.
Actually, most people in the South don't give a frog's fat a** about anyone north of I-40. Or I-20, for that matter.
C'mon down and I'll get you some crawfish and a beer. Mississippi is actually one of the nicest, most genuine friendly states in the South. Most people here actually love the perpetuating stereotype about the State because it keeps us from becoming the next Florida or Atlanta. Poor but proud is not a bad thing, to be honest.
It's only an issue b/c he's a polarizing figure in DCI and honestly, I hate the guy to begin with. I'm glad it happened and it serves him right.
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read my post... horrible infrastructure issues in Mississippi with very weak investment. Billions needed to "catch up" to where the educational infrastructure should be. Unfortunately.
I've succeeded quite well in life in spite of those "horrible" infrastructure issues in the Magnolia State. Jimmy Buffett, Brett Favre, John Grisham, Cat Cora, Anderson Cooper, all seemed to do ok in life as well, huh? How about you just lock it up now son.
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Mississippi ranked 47th out of 50 in terms of quality education:
47. Mississippi (One of the 5 Worst)
Mississippi was given a C- and averaged a 71 percent. The state has one of the lowest levels of parental education in the nation and the most families in poverty. They are the only state in which less than 20 percent of eighth graders are proficient in math and reading.
While a mere 63 percent of their students graduate high school, the bigger problem for Mississippi is that the high school assessments and credits do not align with postsecondary school standards. They lack an assessment at the district level to ensure children are ready for school. In all categories, they have the worst NAEP scores in the nation
and how about their investment in school infrastructure??
Schools
Public school districts in Mississippi spent a total of $95 million on capital outlays for school construction and acquisition of land and existing structures in fiscal years 2005–2008.
It is estimated that Mississippi schools have $3.4 billion in infrastructure funding needs.
http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/a/#p/state-facts/mississippi
seems like Mississippi has bigger concerns than some "PA Band Director" posting on FB that their assigned practice sites were less than ideal :rolleyes:/>
And you can STFU. This is a terrible response and even more insulting to us Mississippians than the recent comments of the director of the cadets, IMO. You are digging the grave even deeper.
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The activity has changed enough for me not to want to pay to see it in its current form. I'd rather enjoy the sights & sounds from my 20+ years in the activity (87-2008) that I have in my library. I last attended an event in 2011 and I left feeling bland and nonchalant. Not disparaging anything, just saying the truth.
As an adult; and one that has disposable income - we do need some connection to the past to begin again making an investment in that which we feel comfortable. One only needs to look/hear/feel in the stands to see that this is the truth. The old people have the immediate connection and the disposable income and has an an affinity for the traditional corps. While 1993 Star was groundbreaking from a design & execution standpoint, other corps had a better crowd reaction and more alumni/fans that were impacted by their performance. 2008 Blue Devils may have been more technical and had a bigger "operation" behind them, but 2008 Phantom Regiment brought the house down like Blue Devils have never done in modern times.
The crowd doesn't care about judges or their opinions. The directors need to realize that the crowd doesn't care about them either, as it relates to the product they are receiving from the field. The crowd reacts to the product, pure and simple. And the crowd isn't just the ones in the stands in today's world. It's the people on the internet, the alumni, the parents, the booster club, the Board, etc.
The good thing about drum corps is that competing units are fickle. You can up and be gone in an instant. I like that kind of immediate gratification - creates urgency. Hence, if one (or several) units decides that they have a better model; can stick it out long term on the open road; and can reap the benefits of being the next Star (or circuit of Star(s) - then go for it. Good luck friends. I truly hope you can find the elusive golden ticket that continues to pay dividends. Because if you find it on your own, you will be forever credited with not sharing it with the youth that you were founded to serve in the arts except for those that were rich enough or super-talented enough to grace your doors as the lightning struck when you were on "top."
The feeder corps that have long provided you with seasoned talent will no longer direct kids to your door. The "remaining drum corps" will serve as teaching and mentoring organizations that feeds and leads impressionable young minds with an interest in our weird little niche that has led to so many great things for those disciplined enough to make it through the gauntlet of performing for the corps to go on to leadership roles in the "real world."
The fact is that very few people outside of our nerdy little realm have ever heard of George Hopkins or Dave Gibbs or give two turds of their opinion. Their name nor any drum corps' name carries any weight in the real world, and you would be tough to find Fortune 5,000 business leaders that really give a frog's fat a** or know anything about drum corps. Truth be told, even in my tenure in the higher ed world, there exists very much animosity for drum corps in the realm of music education. Some of it certainly is related to jealousy or exclusion, but the fact remains - we are not doing our jobs and certainly aren't seeing eye-to-eye enough to make this niche activity truly thrive. Who will lead the charge to fix it? It won't be those that create the chasm of divide and exclusion of the less fortunate, that is fo 'sho.
Edit: Can't believe I didn't start with this one. DCI needs to hire a fully functional fundraising staff and start an organized campaign. This would benefit all corps - including the more mature ones - more than anything as donors could restrict their support to specific corps while still supporting the good of the overall organization. Fundraising is the biggest achilles' heel of DCI as a 501©3 and I would hope this is the impetus of the G7 pushing for new leadership within the organization.
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I never met Bill Cook but I sent him a thank you note for what he did for the Cavies when they were in need (after the Star DCI days) and he came to the rescue. He sent me a very nice personal letter back and I obviously immediately realized what a good man he was.
I have never marched DCI but have always been a fan. I think he identified with my situation based on the tone of his letter.
God speed to a good man.
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Southern Miss - "The Pride of Mississippi"
North Texas
Maybe:
Univ. of North Alabama
BITD but not anymore:
Univ. of Memphis
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On the field, from any city near you...
THE HOOTERS DRUM & BUGLE CORPS
All-girl, of course. No need to even change the uniform
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Made a post in the wrong forum-
Dan will be Dan.
He has not been exactly "friendly" to winning percussion caption heads now has he?
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Dan will be Dan, I guess-
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I'm sure BD will never lose again under this contract, BTW. They are too awesome for words at Lucas Oil Stadium.
Must be the arena and the acoustics. I'll leave that up to the huuuudges.
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Glad to hear all has been taken care of. How are the renewal of Friends of DCI levels going this fiscal year based on the decision to remain in Indy and the economy? We all good for next year? Good to hear that. I'll again skip finals & catch a smaller (read: cheaper - show). Unless there are woodwinds. Then all bets are off.
No need to worry folks, nobody's going to leave DCI, nobody's got anything to worry about. Everybody LOVES Indy.
Only a couple more years, Madison, Denver, California, ATLANTA...you'll get another Finals.
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Just another reminder of the mess that was created by Indy for 9 years!!!!
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Crickets ??
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Compared to the crowd response to a few other corps that night, yes. Crickets. At best a polite golf clap in comparison.
I didn't see any babies being thrown on the field, that's for sure.
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I respect your opinion, but am wondering if you've seen BD live or just on the Fan Network. (If you've seen them live, then mea culpa.) I guess I don't understand the rationale of paying for a ticket and not at least getting full value out of it (whether you like the entire "product" or not). Personally, I would stay to the finish just to see if I might discover something different than my preconceptions. But that's just me . . . and it's mainly because I'm a cheapo!
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I saw them live in Atlanta. When they finished, crickets.
The difference between this BD show and Star '93 (besides the fact that this year's BD drumline doesn't hold a candle to Star '93's line) is that while the first portion of Star's show that year wasn't received favorably, it ended spectacularly. BD's show is, well...anticlimactic. Maybe it will prove over time to be one of the greats, but I'll bet it won't other than on the score sheets.
BD this year reminds me of the Chicago Bears the year they recorded the Super Bowl Shuffle (was it '85?).
Were they talented? Yes.
Did everyone know they were going to win? Yes.
Did they win? Yes.
Are they the best team in the history of the NFL? Not even close.
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Write to these people and tell them what you think about their decision to invest in an organization and director that supports such a move. Hit 'em where it hurts.
http://www.yea.org/site/PageServer?pagename=thank_you_donors
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Well, count me in as one who doesn't "get" this show. In fact, I don't like it period. I'll be ditching the theater early on Thursday night.
Sorry for you folks that may be offended by my opinion, I admit I'm merely a fan & not a FMM, but if it takes 3 pages of posts on a message board to explain a show & try to convince someone to like it = fail.
This is NOT Star '93. Not even close. For one, this drumline couldn't touch that drumline.
What I do know is in ATL this year, after their show ended...crickets.
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Tru dat. But it's not hard to find out if you dig down. Annual reports, yo. Family foundations also have to disclose their donations on their filings. I'm a fundraiser...I can find out easily with our research tools.