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  1. Yes - good catch. At U.S. Open a week earlier, the short prelim routine was still in effect, but the DCI Championship prelim shows were full-length.

    Just brokeout my copies of Drum Corps News from that era and I stand corrected. It says right in the article that all corps did their full shows for prelims.

    I guess we really cranked it up for finals.

    Thanks for pointing that out!!

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  2. Sounds right..........Kingsmen had new uniforms, and I think they also may have had shows left, perhaps as soon as the next night....so, with the weather being bad, it makes sense that they chose to not go out there.......it would be cool to get more definitive details, although the story that I read was that Kingsmen were on their buses when scores were announced, and thus they didn't hear them, or know they won, until others were congratulating them on the way out......and I still think that it would be cool if they were given that moment, 40 years later, that they didn't get to experience in '72.......even if it's just a handful of them...... less than 2 minutes to acknowledge DCI's first champion.......with no chance of rain....lol....

    GB

    I was a member of the Anaheim Kingsmen from 1970 to 1972 and was on the field that night. This is a classic example of the old game where you whisper something into someone's ear and it goes around and around and the person at the end shouts out something that is completely different than what was originally said.

    What happened was that the Anaheim Kingsmen had a management shakeup a few weeks before tour and Don Porter the Anaheim Kingsmen Corps Director and founder was forced out. What followed was chaos and turmoil with the corps nearly folding. In a nutshell the Kingsmen hosted the Santa Clara Vanguard and the La Crosse Blue Stars in Southern California in late June with only two thirds of the drill finshed. Got clobbered by several points by both of them.

    We left on an eastern tour with 27 and did not see SCV or Blue Stars again until DCI. The Kingsmen had a tremendous amount of catching up to do and practiced long into the night and even after shows.

    At DCI we did take third in prelims to SCV and the Blue Stars. It was not a major concern because in those days prelims was your show condensed into five to seven minutes. For most corps it meant dropping the standstill type concert piece. For the Kingsmen the concert (Ritual Fire Dance) was a barn burner, and we played it cleanly so there were only a few additional ticks. Or to put it another way our score was skewed torwards the finals show since we did not absorb very many ticks in the concert.

    Our finals performance was our best of the year and we were just "on" that night. I might also add that Santa Clara (in a very rare showing) did not put on their best performance of the season.

    At retreat all corps formed on the field for the annoucement of the scores. With the rain coming down the announcer did not wait for the drum major to step forward and collect the trophy, he just read off the scores as fast as he could. If I recall it correctly at about the eighth place point it began to rain extremely hard. All of the corps ran for cover. As I was running up the back grassy area of Warhawk Stadium I heard 27 taking fourth and I thought I heard that SCV had taken third but was not sure. As we got on the busses as was stated already I did not know who won. And it is correct that other corps members did come by in the pouring rain to congratulate us. When the rain subsided I got off the bus and walked around the parking lot for a few minutes kind of taking it in.

    We did have new uniforms issued the night before CYO. It turned out since the company that made them was in New England it was cheaper to receive them in Boston than to ship them to California. Uniforms getting wet did not factor into the decision to leave the field.....it was raining so hard that everyone left the field.

    The final show of the tour was the following night at the Wisconsin State Fair at West Allis. It took place in front of the grandstands on an auto race track. It was dubbed the demolition derby and I believe the Blue Stars won it. Everyone had to modify their drill to fit what was effectively a half field front to back and march on asphalt.

    A few years back an audio recording surfaced of the scores being read at the 1972 DCI finals. It is posted on the Kingsmen Alumni website and the link is.....

    http://xkingsmen.com/sites/default/files/mp3/72finalsscores.mp3

    If you are interested in a photo of the retreat in 1972 prior to the rain it can be found at....

    http://xkingsmen.com/content/1972-kingsmen-2

    Look for photo number 29 of 43 which is on page 5. From right to left it is the Anaheim Kingsmen, Argonne Rebels, Casper Troopers, and I believe the Chicago Cavaliers. Not sure who is after that.

    And lastly with respect to the question of having the scores read, it was mentioned a few years back when the Kingsmen reformed for the 2007 finals at the Rose Bowl. The thought was to play the recording above of the 1972 scores and formally present the Kingsmen with the championship trophy following our alumni corps performance. I served on the board of directors for the Kingsmen Alumni Corps and the whole idea never seemed to have legs and it was shelved. As a side note there were about thirty of the 108 members from 1972 that performed with the Kingsmen Alumni Corps that night.

    The Kingsmen of 1972 was a life long lesson for anyone who was a part of it. From where we started nearly folding, and working our tails off to come back not only to make finals at DCI, but to win it is the stuff of lore.

    Keith

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  3. What is class? In the drum corps world you look around and ask that question, and one drum corps quickly comes to mind - the Santa Clara Vanguard. How does a drum corps become such an icon of class? Was it a decision made one day, becoming a goal to strive for? Did someone simply apply that label to them and other people jumped aboard? In talking about Santa Clara Vanguard's class, you have to go all the way back to 1967, their first year of existence. At that time the corps was not widely known outside of Northern California. 1967 was the year the corps made their very first venture out of Northern California, traveling all the way down to Southern California. While that isn't necessarily a long distance for a drum corps to travel, it was a major tour for this brand new drum corps. The trip down to Southern California was to attend the Anaheim Kingsmen's 2nd Annual Festival of Music competition. Many of the members were excited because it would be the first time we would get to see the numerous drum corps from around California - the Anaheim Kingsmen, the Buena Park Velvet Knights, the Lynwood Diplomats, LA Chinese, the Seniorities from the south; the Sacramento Capitalaires, Stockton Commodores, and Joaquin Caballeros from the north. A highlight to this trip to Southern California for all the corps was marching in a parade down Main Street Disneyland - which was huge! Since the Vanguard didn't own buses, the booster club (made up mostly of parents) organized a huge caravan to drive the corps down to Anaheim in their automobiles. The corps stayed at the local Community College dorms. All were extremely excited as it was the first real tour for the Santa Clara Vanguard.

    Now back in 1967 the United States was going through some major changes in the country. The hippy movement was now in full bloom, especially so in the San Francisco Bay Area, which included Santa Clara. Some of the kids in our corps had longish hair and facial hair, but that was just the dress of that era. Many of our Santa Clara Vanguard members were new to drum corps as it was our first year of existence, and quite a few of these kids had never even marched in a band. The structure of the corps in those early years was somewhat loose and easy going – not harshly disciplined. This trip was our first opportunity to observe drum corps outside of Northern California, literally opening up a whole new world to us.

    In 1967 the Anaheim Kingsmen were the pinnacle of California drum corps. With their classic light blue uniforms they projected this image that said in a word – class! At evening affairs they would be dressed in their dark blue blazers, white turtlenecks and finely pressed slacks with a Kingsmen patch over the heart, looking very Ralph Lauren-dish! All with close trimmed haircuts, you almost expected them to pull out a pipe and start singing by the fireplace. We (SCV), on the other hand, were not quite that sophisticated or polished. The hippy movement was prevalent throughout our new and growing corps; our members were more prone to wearing tie-dye clothing than blue blazers. With our hair a bit shaggier, many with some facial hair growing out, we were definitely much more San Francisco-ish in appearance.

    In preparation for the show that evening the SCV corps was practicing in different areas around the Anaheim college dorm quad where we were staying. The horn line was located in one area, the drum line in another corner, and the color guard practicing over in an adjacent parking lot. As usual, when the practice ended we all gathered around Gail Royer (Santa Clara Vanguard Director), who normally gave us a pep talk and would prep us for the evening's show. When he finished his talk that day we broke and started heading back to our dorms, when we all noticed this long line starting to enter the quad area. It was the Anaheim Kingsmen, who had been practicing in a near-by field. They entered the quad slowly, walking in a long, single line back to the parking lot where their equipment truck was. As I mentioned earlier, the Kingsmen were at that time the highlight of the California corps. Even though they were not in uniform the line coming into that quad was extremely impressive; the corps just gave off this air of prestige, and, to some degree, one of royalty as they walked through the quad – the affect these kids projected just put you back on your heels. We all watched in awe! As the Kingsmen started to pass through the quad one of our new rookie members cut through the Kingsmen line to get to the other side. At that very moment you could see the Kingsmen drum major turn his head to see this happening, and immediately turned around heading back to our guy with this stern look on his face. You could almost see the steam coming out of his ears – and he was angry! He came back to our rookie and firmly said – "don't EVER (stressing the word "EVER") cut through a Kingsmen line again". Our member apologized for cutting through the line but it had absolutely no effect on the Kingsmen drum major. Afterwards, the Kingsmen finished passing through the quad area and the drum major went up to our director Gail Royer and told him "you guys have a real good corps, but you have no class." Gail didn't say a word but you could tell he was not pleased with the drum major's comment. Gail was not angry at the rookie, but he was angry about what had just happened with the drum major.

    That evening, just before going on the field for the show, Gail Royer called the entire corps together and told us word-for-word what the Kingsmen drum major expressed to him that afternoon. Gail didn't say one word about the kid cutting through the line but focused on teaching us what class was. Gail's speech was simple but extremely effective. Class comes from inside and it's in all of us. In that moment after Gail's speech you just knew that things were going to change. It didn't happen overnight, it didn't happen the next year, but it did happen. While we still wore our tie-dye shirts and long hair this thing called class started to build. In those early years we even tried to dress up (white shirts, ties, turtlenecks) like the Kingsmen, but over time realized that just wasn't us, and we ended up back in our tie-dye shirts and jeans. Our "class" (however you define it) would come in our own way and in our own time. It was an evolution that developed and embedded within each member, year after year.

    Today - when you see the Santa Clara Vanguard enter the field of competition, the class that is projected out to the audience is something to behold, very much like we saw that day in 1967 watching the Kingsmen march through the quad. That class didn't happen by a mandate, an order, or an edict by Gail Royer - it was just something that Gail taught us all, something built slowly from within by all the kids who were now part of this classic organization. That tradition of class that is projected today is something that comes from within you and your fellow members, a tradition that is now passed on, generation-to-generation.

    On that day back in 1967 it really made me angry when the Kingsmen drum major yelled at our member for cutting through the Kingsmen line. My first reaction was to get angry and think about how to get back. On the other hand, Gail Royer's response was very wise. He rose above the anger and knew best how to make this incident be the positive seed that could be sewn and cultivated, forever raising the bar for this new drum corps.

    So today, when I think back on that day in 1967 - I just want to kiss that Kingsmen drum major!

    Jesse J. Amador

    Albuquerque, New Mexico

    The Kingsmen Drum Major was Earl (The Pearl) Douglas.

    And everything that Jesse stated is correct.

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  4. The retreat issues as I recall began back in the era when they hosted back to back championships (96, 97, and 98?) in Orlando. It was then that I noticed that it was suddenly OK to have the staff, bus drivers, cooks, and everyone else for that matter hang out in the back of the field while the scores were announced. Over a period of a couple of years there was a transition from the corps members only on the field to a small army which in turn caused disorganization and delayed the corps from exiting the field in a timely manner.

    Eliminating the corps playing one last piece of music whether it be SCV "Clowns," Madison "You'll never Walk Alone," Phantom "Amazing Grace," or whatever, as I see it was a way to cut the program short, when keeping order and removing those from the field that did not belong there in the first place was the true solution. Looking back this was a major mistake, and took away a sense of nostalgia, along with a tremendous marketing opportunity for not only the corps members, but the fans.

    The last finals that I recall done right was 1994 in Boston when they closed the season out with the 27th Lancer alumni corps on finals night. It was the last of DCI (along with George Bonfiglio) truly understanding how to market the activity to the masses. As I recall Drum Corps World's championship edition had the headline "Blue Devils win DCI, 27th Lancers Alumni steal the show." It was a night for all drum corps fans young and old. Those of us that were in the stands will never forget it. It was in a great drum corps town, and was a welcome relief from the disaster in Jackson Mississippi the previous year.

    This year was cheesy and has brought DCI one step closer to the band activity. It has also made it painfully obvious to me just how out of tune DCI is with the fans, and how far off the track DCI is.

    Sorry state of affairs if you ask me.

  5. Few people know it today, but 1971 remains the BIGGEST season for drum corps in terms of attendance. More people paid to see drum corps that summer than any other before or since.

    All of us carry memories of drum corps with us for the rest of our lives.

    One of my fondest was 1971 World Open at the Manning Bowl. I had heard of the east coast crowds and their fanaticism with Drum Corps. Nothing could have prepared me for when I filed into the stadium as a member of the Anaheim Kingsmen. I glanced around and realized that the entire place was sold out. People on the back sides and the end zones. They were even standing in the aisles.

    At retreat we were told to remove our black plumes and chest buckles to prevent them from being taken by the fans as souvenirs.

    That night my perspective on drum corps changed forever. What a crowd.

    Just great times.

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    GREAT pictures!

    But are my eyes playing tricks one me? Or does the snare on the right - who I assume is Ralph Hardimon - not have any sticks in his hands?

    :thumbup:

    I think I see one in the left hand, but not sure about the right hand. He seems much higher up than the other snares, so maybe he's in the middle of a visual. Maybe the move he was doing was too fast for the speed of the film being used at the time?

    Left to right for the history buffs.

    Tom Float (DCI HOF)

    Michael Ellerby

    Mike Hubbard

    Terry Walker

    Ralph Hardimon (DCI HOF)

    Interesting photo since the snare line usually had Tom Float and Ralph Hardimon side by side in the center.

  7. I think our historians need to double check when the limit became a rule. In 1972, I am not sure anyone had 128. The Kingsmen were perhaps the smallest national champ. I believe they had 38 horns. In 1973, you could sense the activity was about to flourish because 1972 did turn out to be a success and DCI was going to make it.

    Competiting against Madison in 1974, IIRC, they had well over 128. I believe the 128 came into effect for 1975. The 135 came into affect in the early 80's. Many corps (I know 27th and PR) had spares that would wear the uniform and stand in the endzone. The 150 rule is new.

    I'll stand corrected if someone has better proof.

    3 solo soprano

    6 lead soprano

    6 second soprano

    6 third soprano

    3 mellophone

    3 french horn

    4 first baritone

    4 second baritone

    4 third baritone

    3 contrabass

    Total 42

    We were the smallest horn line in the top twelve that year and also the smallest line to ever win the title.

    Total membership was 108 including 10 rifles.

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    I have a dumb question: Why are some of the rifles facing different directions in this carry position? Are they getting ready to throw/spin in alternate directions?

    This picture was taken during the Mickey Mouse March. Yes they are getting ready to spin in different directions.

    My sister is the rifle on the right in the photo.

  9. I heard a rather interesting story from someone last year regarding Anaheim's come from behind win in the first DCI championship in 1972. The Kingsmen had just gotten new uniforms, and they had another show after DCI. It had started to drizzle. I don't remember if they told me if there was a full retreat or just drum majors, but they didn't want to mess up their uniforms, so the corps was on their buses, and they thought they expected to finish around 3rd. In awhile, people were walking by their buses yelling "way to go" and congrats....and they were confused, until they realized they had won the title.

    Last year, when they gave their great alumni performance, I understand that the drum major was their 1972 drum major.

    The new uniforms were issued earlier in the 1972 season and there was always a problem with the black dye from the Shako plumes running when they were wet so everyone took the plumes off and put them inside the cadet jacket when the sprinkling started during retreat. Moments later when it became a full fledged downpour, all of the corps (Kingsmen included) ran for cover. We ended up on the busses because the Kingsmen were one of very few corps that did not stay in the dorms on campus. It is true that we had no idea who won until members from other corps began coming by and yelling congratulatory comments at us. I believe most of us felt we would be second behind Santa Clara.

    There was another show the following night. It was the now infamous "Race Track" show at the Wisconsin State Fair in West Allis. They literally held a show on a stock car race track in front of the grandstands at the fair. The field if you want to call it that was 100 yrads long, but only about half as deep as a traditional football field. So going front to back everyone took half steps. It was a mess.

    The drum major from 1972 was Jim Good. He marched with the Lynwood Diplomats prior to joining the Kingsmen in 1972. Now living in the Memphis area, he was present at the June 2006 camp and subsequent debut performance in Walnut, California, but did not take the field at the Rose Bowl.

    The lead drum major at the Rose Bowl Was Gary (Garrison) Kean who was one of two drum majors in 1973 and 1974.

    The other seven were:

    Don Hertel 1969

    Rex Hall 1970

    Dave Bandy 1974

    Andre Mason 1977-1978

    Eddie Turner 1978

    Dave Weinberg 1976-78 (Soprano)

    Charlie Iwananga (SCV - Never marched Kingsmen)

  10. I was wondering how many alums you had marching - the size of the corps looked huge! What years did you have represented, and what did you do to practice - distributed music electronically ahead of time with rehearsals of drill the week of? Or did you have a few rehearsals during the preceeding months for those who could make it? And where did you get the marching tymp and other -er unusual marching instruments? I guess they are being used in alumni corps today. My friend and I got a big kick out of the old style marching and routines. The contrast in styles is astonishing and yet so fun to see together. Everyone looked like they were having a wonderful time. But what a different era that was back then!

    There were 287 members altogether.

    It turned out to be the same number that 27th marched in 1994 although it was not planned that way. The drill was written for 300. We had a few members who dropped out here and there and a rifle spot that was occupied by two different people and both of them were injured outside of the drum corps and had to drop out. If I remember correctly of the 13 open spots two were rifles (23 vs 25), two were contras (23 vs 25), two were baritones (48 vs 50), one snare (15 vs 16) two tenors (10 vs 12), two bass drum (10 vs 12) and two flags (Coast Guard and one other).

    Here is the breakdown by section:

    46 Sopranos including about a half dozen who played B-Flat trumpets

    15 Mellophones

    1 Alto

    16 French Horns

    48 Baritones

    23 Contras

    23 Rifles

    32 flags

    4 Nationals

    12 Honor Guard

    15 Snares

    10 Tenors

    10 Cymbals

    10 Bass Drum

    5 marching tympani

    2 marching xylophone

    5 pit

    8 drum majors

    1 color guard captain

    The members came from 11 states and Canada. The furthest member from Anaheim lived in Connecticut. Approxmately 80% of the members marched in the Kingsmen at one point in their drum corps careers. There were also about a dozen who were a part of the 1975 corps which folded a month before tour.

    The oldest member was 81. The youngest member was the daughter of one of the Kingsmen Alumni who was 17 and played cymbals.

    The first "official" rehearsal was November (Thanksgiving weekend) 2005. There were monthly Sunday rehearsals in 2006 and in the winter of 2006/2007 went to two day (Saturday/Sunday rehearsals each month. Had a four day camp in June 2006 and June 2007. Had a seven day camp leading up to the August 10 performance that went from 9:00AM to 10:00PM each night just like the touring days. The only time we actually had everyone (287) there at the same time was during the August 2007 seven day camp. There were also weekly (Tuesday night) rehearsals for the local brass line and anyone else who wanted to show up.

    Unlike any Alumni Crops to date, the Kingsmen marched a full drill from beginning to end with a stop period for the traditional concert. The drill for the opening number was taught to the corps in June of 2006 and each month a portion was added with the final piece of the drill taught in April of 2007.

    The Tympanis were the originals that were carried by the Kingsmen from 1970 to 1974. We found them in a storage space in San Diego County somewhere. A couple of the percussion guys restored them to look exactly like they did in 1972.

    The powder blue uniform was an exact replica of what was worn by the corps from 1969 to 1974. The only discernable difference was the zipper being in the back instead of the front.

    There were 28 members on the field that actually marched the 1972 Championship season. The 72 corps was 108 members total. There were Kingsmen alumni represented as early as 1961 (Charlie Groh and Bill Borges) and had members from most years that the Kingsmen fielded a corps through 1982.

    All of the music was from 1971-1974 and was arranged by Mike Duffy, Kenny Norman, and Kit Squires.

    The rifle work was a combined effort by the 23 gals that made up the line. The rifle section leader was Brenda (Markham) Murray who wrote and taught the rifle line through much of the 70's.

    The drill was written by David Weinberg (Kingsmen and Blue Devils alum). He reviewed ancient video and photographs to recreate portions of the drill from the 1970's shows including 1972, 1973, and 1974 scaled to a 287 member drum corps.

    The championship flags (DCI, CYO, US Open, World Open) were recreated by Bob Jacobs. The military flags were donated by Tom Day (Bugles across America).

    Our adopted home was Western High School (Anaheim) and California Baptist University Riverside. The seven day August 2007 camp was held at Cal State Long Beach.

  11. How many people did the Kingsmen field anyway?....Tom Blair says they were "So big"

    How big is so big?

    46 Sopranos including about a half dozen who played B-Flat trumpets

    15 Mellophones

    1 Alto

    16 French Horns

    48 Baritones

    23 Contras

    23 Rifles (Drill was written for 25)

    32 flags

    4 Nationals

    12 Honor Guard

    15 Snares

    10 Tenors

    10 Cymbals

    10 Bass Drum

    5 marching tympani

    2 marching xylophone

    5 pit

    8 drum majors

    1 color guard captain

    Average age: 49

    Oldest member: 81 (Former Kingsmen Quartermaster)

    Number of alumni corps members who marched the 1972 championship season: 28

    Members came from 11 states and Canada

    Mambo Soloists:

    Phil Norris: Trumpet

    Carl Allison: Baritone

    So Very Hard To Go Soloist:

    Eric Ferdman: Alto

  12. Wow....I remember this photo like it was yesterday. As a former timp player for 27th in the old days (using a brace and counterweights), the picture of this kid from the Kingsmen always intrigued me. He has such a baby face.

    Are there any Kingsmen Alumni hanging around here that knows who this kid is, and what ever became of him? I wonder if he marched with the Alumni corps last year?

    His name is Richard Call and he still resides in Southern California. He was on the board of directors as the treasurer for the Kingsmen Alumni Corps project. He did not march with the KAC this past year (time commitment) but was involved in most of the behind the scenes activities.

    For those that may be wondering he does not have any back problems that I am aware of.

  13. Can someone tell me what brand and type of instruments these were? Thanks in advance.

    To my knowledge nearly all of the 44 sopranos/trumpets were "G" horns except for about five of them that were B flat trumpets. The soloist in Mambo was playing a trumpet. The majority of the remaining sopranos were either three valve Kanstuls or Olds Piston/rotor. Seems like the members either wanted the best "G" horn on the market or what they were comfortable with. I know a couple of guys could not get used to holding a horn with upright valves especially those that were never in band when they were kids. I played a three valve Kanstul Powerbore.

    The 18 french horns were mostly valve/rotor designs from decades ago.

    The 16 mellophones were mostly piston/rotor or two valve.

    Don't know what the 50 or so Baris were playing however I saw a lot of two and three valve.

    The 22 contras were mostly Kanstul and King K90. Charlie Groh somehow manged to get a four valve Kanstul from Zig to use for the show.

    The five tympanis were from the 1972 season and were found down in San Diego County in a storage unit somewhere. We restored them to "like new" condition and even had the guy that striped them in 1972 come back and do it again for us.

    And I agree with the earlier comment regarding the snares. It would have been great to have been able to get rid of that horrible sound that they make with the new style drum heads. Remo, Evans, and the rest could make a pot of money if they could develop a drum head that has a decent sound to it along with the physical characteristics of the drum heads of today.

  14. Questions:

    1.) Are the Kingsmen Alumni Corps going to keep going after this year?

    2.) Can non-Kingsmen alumni try out?

    It has not been determined whether the Kingsmen Alumni Corps will go on after August 10. The primary focus going into 2008 will be the Junior Corps effort.

    I do not know the exact number of Kingsmen Alumni versus alumni guests. It used to be 75/25 but now the alumni guests make up possibly as much as 35%. You can try out for the few spots that are still open but time is getting really short especially considering we are doing a full drill. I know we need two contras (we are fielding 24) and a few baritones. The hornline breakout is 44 sopranos, 16 Mellophones, 18 french horns, 50 baritones, and 24 contras. The guard is full, and I cannot speak for the drum line but I am pretty sure it is full also.

  15. Its really hard to compare Madison Alumni corps with the Kingsmen Alumni Corps

    A few of you have tip toed around something that I should probably comment on.

    Speaking for the members of the Kingsmen Alumni Corps, this is not about competing. We all did that years ago. In fact, alumni corps like 27, Santa Clara, and Madison have certainly inspired us.

    This is about giving drum corps fans an opportunity to witness something that hopefully they will cherish for the rest of their lives. Marching tympani and keyboards, piston/rotor horns, and even drill from the 72 and 74 shows rewritten for a larger corps are all staples of the show that all of you will see.

    And I was informed yesterday that the Kingsmen Alumni Corps performance will be broadcast on DCI.org via the internet for those that are unable to make the trip to Pasadena.

    This is not a competition or an effort to "one-up" anyone, please don't perceive it that way.

  16. hmmmm.....who's in the Kingsmen uniform in the bottom row and where'd they get the uni?

    It is my sister Karen Wilbur.

    I was supposed to wear the uniform but when the italian guy showed up in Orlando it wouldn't fit me so she ended up wearing it at the last minute.

    Karen was in the Nationals Squad in the 1972 Kingsmen.

    Keith

  17. BTW - why does the "chick" with the CA state flag have a green cumberbund while the real color is white?

    Also - are you really serious - marching timps?

    That is the original uniform worn by the guard prior to receiving the cadet style uniforms in 1969.

    We have eight tymps on inventory right now but it appears as though we will only be using five of them. I am pretty sure Chris Naughtin is going to pinstripe them in either April or May.

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