SNModdison
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2 hours ago, xandandl said:
II didn't disagree with you, did I?
You said he had a California bias. That implies you think someone is better than BD and SCV.
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1 hour ago, ContraFart said:
A 2.5% error (which is .5 in a single caption) is not tolerated in any industry I know of.
Probably have to check and see who judged. My guess is that judge on Finals night judged earlier in the season and had BD above SCV in guard. Even though the judges are told to judge the performance in front of them, some judges seem to have favoritism. I'm not saying this particular judge did that, but that could possibly explain it. Winning guard by .2 one night, and then losing by .3 seems large to me as well. I have always thought of it like this: a .1 gap means they are barely ahead of the next group, .2 there is a discernible difference, but still in the same ball park, and .3 gap would mean they are almost not in the same ball park. So, having one judge have one group ahead, and then almost not in the same ball park the next night seemed like a bit of a statement to me. Just my 2 cents, for whatever that's worth. lol
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7 hours ago, dans said:
Maybe they will surprise us and have some engaging music in their show?
Ouch. I rather like their music.
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28 minutes ago, henry7184 said:
I went by their rehearsal last night and they were rehearsing the Bottle Dance. JK.
Don't play with my emotions!!! LOL.
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3 hours ago, justMister said:
2017 Drum Corps International World Championships
→ Drag and drop → Prelim - Thursday 8/10 Semi Final - Friday 8/11 Finals - Saturday - 8/12 Corps Score Corps Score Corps Score 1 Blue Devils 97.3 1 Blue Devils 97.7 1 Santa Clara Vanguard 98.15 2 Santa Clara Vanguard 96.9 2 Santa Clara Vanguard 97.6 2 Blue Devils 98.125 3 Carolina Crown 96.7 3 Carolina Crown 97.2 3 Carolina Crown 97.75 4 Bluecoats 95.3 4 Bluecoats 95.5 4 Bluecoats 96.0 5 The Cavaliers 94.7 5 The Cavaliers 95.1 5 The Cavaliers 95.75 6 Boston Crusaders 93.0 6 Boston Crusaders 93.4 6 Boston Crusaders 93.9 7 The Cadets 91.75 7 The Cadets 92.1 7 The Cadets 92.5 8 Blue Knights 91.4 8 Blue Knights 91.8 8 Blue Knights 92.1 9 Phantom Regiment 89.5 9 Phantom Regiment 89.9 9 Phantom Regiment 90.2 10 Blue Stars 89.2 10 Blue Stars 89.7 10 Blue Stars 90.1 11 Crossmen 87.1 11 Crossmen 87.3 11 Crossmen 87.4 12 Madison Scouts 86.2 12 Madison Scouts 86.75 12 Madison Scouts 87.0 13 The Academy 84.1 13 Mandarins 84.3 14 Mandarins 83.9 14 The Academy 84.25 15 Colts 82.0 15 Colts 82.25 16 Troopers 81.25 16 Vanguard Cadets 81.6 17 Vanguard Cadets 80.9 17 Troopers 81.4 18 Spirit of Atlanta 80.2 18 Blue Devils B 80.5 19 Blue Devils B 79.9 19 Spirit of Atlanta 80.4 20 Oregon Crusaders 79.0 20 Oregon Crusaders 79.2 21 Legends 77.4 21 Music City 77.6 22 Music City 77.2 22 Legends 77.5 23 Pacific Crest 76.9 23 Pacific Crest 77.1 24 Spartans 75.8 24 Spartans 76.0 25 Genesis 74.25 25 Genesis 74.75 26 Louisiana Stars 73.5 27 Seattle Cascades 73.1 28 Gold 73.0 29 The Company 72.9 30 Jersey Surf 72.5 31 7th Regiment 71.75 32 Guardians 70.35 33 Southwind 70.25 34 River City Rhythm 68.0 35 Pioneer 66.5 36 Raiders 65.2 37 Shadow 62.5 38 Colt Cadets 61.8 39 Impulse 58.2 40 Les Stentors 55.9 This is the closest outcome that I'd like to see. I'm hoping the Seattle Cascades are higher than 27th though!
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30 minutes ago, chrishickie said:
Is it true that FloMarching is showing the actual performances from Semis and finals nights? Kinda surprising if that is the case because of the DVD and all that but I've been wrong before .
They'd better be! I paid for the subscription mostly to watch Finals!
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This is an almost impossible task. I love many of these. Phantom 2007 might be one of my favorites though, so that's what ended up with my vote.
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2 minutes ago, HbRJgdZHsbc said:
Go on . . .
I'm not sure there is much left to be said, other than to simply say the results are not pre-planned at all. Judges are asked to read the performance; that's it.
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7 hours ago, HbRJgdZHsbc said:
Prepare yourself for the most predictable show on turf. The judges know exactly where to put everyone. The placements aren't dictated from on high, but rather agreed upon communally. The judges all know each other well and talk at shows. There are no surprises in a season that happens this fast and with this many performances. The judging community has critiqued itself probably more than the instructors have. I bet every judge knows what every other judge is about to say to each corps and what scores those words will yield.
Which FloMarching broadcast was it that had Steve and Dennis do the intro from the field? Dennis said it's a story of tightly grouped "pairs" of corps - SCV & BD, Bluecoats & Crown, Madison & Mandarins. He already gave us a glimpse into the nature of seeding in DCI. And let's not forget that Dennis was a WGI judge for years, so it's not like he doesn't get how numbers work.
It's not a conspiracy, but it is a truth. The more consistent placements are through a season the more likely they will remain unchanged. That's how tendencies work - they TEND to stay the same. As long as nobody sets the dome on fire or kicks Dan Acheson's kitten in the face the status quo will sustain itself.
So now that the competition isn't a thing any more, let's all enjoy the shows for what they are and be impressed by the performers for who they've become.
The judges do not agree communally what the scores will be, nor do they know what scores each judge will give each corps.
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13 minutes ago, Cappybara said:
I have a problem with the hypocrisy of telling people not to bash a corps and doing so in the next sentence over. Good try though
I did not bash another corps. You misunderstood my point.
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58 minutes ago, BlueStainGlass said:
BD sounds the same every year? Because that dissonant show in 13 sounded exactly like the happy show in 15.
That's not what I meant. What I meant is that the Blue Devils have a very distinct sound. Whether or not their music is happy and light, or dissident and dark, I can always tell that it is the Blue Devils.
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23 minutes ago, Cappybara said:
Asks why people keep bashing corps... and then proceeds to bash BD anyways
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What I was trying to get across is that it doesn't matter if they sound the "same" every year. They are good. The Blue Devils are always super clean, and that's always good too. Paul Rennick's drumline are always great, and have the "same" kind of feel every year as well. None of these things are bad. That's what I was trying to say.
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4 minutes ago, MikeRapp said:
I really hate the degree to which this is accurate re Crown.
"The need someone who can write a show that doesn't sound like every other show they've done for a lot of years. "
This sounds like the Blue Devils to me; the same 'ole sound every year. Carolina Crown's brass sounds wonderful and performs at a high level every year. Why must we beat down the competition? It's like saying the Blue Devils march the best every year.... Or, I guess are the cleanest every year. Why so much bashing?
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14 minutes ago, Chief Guns said:
Respectfully disagree. Crown had a rough run finals night. BD was on fire. BD won fair and square.
And I will respectfully disagree in return.
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9 hours ago, Cappybara said:
2015 Crown is an interesting choice considering it's a show that got passed up on finals night due to a lack of technical proficiency
Yes, it was a show that got passed up by being completely hosed at finals. This is probably the biggest shaft I've seen. The best corps, with the best show got hosed finals night.
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Cavaliers 2002 or Cadets 1998. 1998 Cadets is definitely an underrated show from a cleanliness standpoint. They were pretty dang clean visually.
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26 minutes ago, snare_guy_83 said:
So are we now going with these definitions?
Show = Event Attended & Year (San Antonio 2001)
Program = Corps Name & Year (Santa Clara Vanguard 1999)I almost can't decide between 1998 and 1999 SCV. 1998 was my first year marching, and SCV was the first corps I saw. That show inspired me, and still does today; I get chills listening to it even today. 1999 in Madison, watching SCV live, and the tie... that was my favorite show. So, they are both winners for me!
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1 hour ago, BDCorno said:
Oh, there is definitely an ending coming. If not, would be the worst BD ending in about 45 years or so. ;) Doubt we'll see until Indy.
I've definitely felt their ending lacks excitement, especially visually. There has to be more.
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To answer the original post: Yes, BD and SCV are the top 2 because they have the best shows, performed at the highest level. It's pretty simple.
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44 minutes ago, eightyonepointthree said:
Caught in 1999, 2001, 2004, 2008. If we can go back a little further, DEFINITELY caught in 1995. Caught by Regiment in 2006. Sometimes they get too confident in a program and their ability to outperform others that they forget that sometimes the corps chasing them are catching them because they have more content.
I would think any year that the Blue Devils don't win, they get caught by someone. They always start out at the top.
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2 minutes ago, Chief Guns said:
Anything is possible. But if BD follows their pattern of the last several seasons, they will be putting in the finishing touches of the show this week and debut them at the Buffalo TOC next Sunday. Lets see what they add and if it makes a difference.
True; the comment about performance beating the content numbers made me think of the peaking thing. We shall see. It will be exciting, especially since BD and SCV only see each other one more time until finals week.
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Just now, tommynev said:
That's exactly how I read that. They outscored their rep in three captions tonight.
Peaking too early, maybe? Curious your thoughts.
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Kemp's number was a big reason for the spread tonight. The numbers are very close across the board, and the content numbers for Vanguard look strong. Keep cleaning, and they may just be able to win this thing. Exciting.
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1 minute ago, Jeffe77 said:
Being partial to the percussion score, how about Crown. It's not random, they have really turned it around. If it wasn't for that one Content score, may have beaten BD. Impressive.
Crown's drum line is good this year! They are very clean. Hopefully they continue the upward movement next year!
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Santa Clara Vanguard 2018
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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I was answering that question.