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Well, whatever happens, George seems to be admitting that there IS Drum Corps after you age out of DCI.
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I would like to add in that I agree with Mike that DCA should not be the parent organization. DCA has it's charter and mission, which is the competing corps. Yes, they partner up with mini corps and alumni corps on finals weekend to allow them a performance opportunity, but any such group created for alumni organizations should solely be for just alumni organizations.
Does that mean they can't partner with DCA or even DCi on some ventures? Heck no! The more ways to expose the drum corps public at large, the better! But Alumni corps are a unique beast unto themselves, with many types of corps within that subset. As such, they should not answer to organizations that also have competitive corps
Thanks for the constructive comments Jeff. As for me notifying you concerning any future meetings of the Alumni meetings that may be called in the future I would have no idea when they would be. If I should find that information out I'll ask that Westshore be notified and they can send whoever they wish to represent them/you. Actually I only was at the first two meetings to represent Steel City as per Dennis Graham's (then Director of Steel City) request and to gather information for (not represent) Westshore at the request of Bill Toomey and gather information for (not represent) Erie Thunderbirds at the request of Gary Matczak. I was not at this last meeting a few months ago.
Can you expound on any thoughts you may have as to the purpose of an Alumni Organization, first as it relates to one specific region, and second, on how you would set up an umbrella organization to generally oversee all of the Regional Alumni Organizations?
P.S: I knew you could do this appropriately.
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Great all around guy and fantastic drummer.
Rest In Peace Marty.
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I only saw Freelancers on Youtube (slacker that I am) but thought they were terrific. The mini-corps competition must be as intense as the Open Class finals.
That it is Ray,...that it is.
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Now back to the business at hand. There have been some very constructive suggestions offered. I'll put in phone calls to some of the more prominent people in various areas mentioned in some of the other posts. There will be NO Alumni corps left out of this, ALL Alumni Corps are welcome. I just think that in order to keep it manageable breaking it down into regions is the way to go. Gary Matczak had some really good thoughts on this and I'd welcome more of his input. Steve Anderman also seemed to be right on track with his thoughts of regionalization. Perhaps he can expound on his thoughts regarding that issue. I'll contact Frank Neill for his input as to the how, what and wherefores.
Again, anyone with constructive thoughts and ideas are most definitely welcome to contribute to this thread. Again please note that the word constructive is in bold and underlined for a reason. There are other discussion threads that are open to general gossip. Please let's keep this one on topic.
Thanks,
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this disqualifies a few alumni corps out there now
Andy will probably want you as one of his "shop stewards".
Now back to your constructive response Jeff. And yes, Bill DID ask me to be there for Westshore. It was during the formative years of the PaDCHOF.
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How about help with setting up shows and finding parades that are looking for music groups? Not to mention somewhere to go if questions on finding equipment, legalities, etc, etc.
Hi Jim,
At least this portion was constructive. Thanks for your contribution. Maybe I'll see you at a future Lancers rehearsal.
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There WAS a meeting of the minds, before the turn of the millenium.
An association was formed, IIRC it was called Drum Corps Old. Sully from MSJ was named chief honcho.
However, I read this on RAMD, so it may have been a contrivance.
Ken, I'll try to put some thoughts together for you tonight about we talked about at DCA Finals.and maybe give you a call. Believe me I haven't forgotten and I think it's a GREAT idea and will give you all the help I possibly can.
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Cadets2 announces age adjustments and staff additions
Monday, September 12, 2011
"Base of leadership" will set up model for first year
Cadets2, the new weekend-only corps to be offered by the Cadets and Youth Education in the Arts has announced that the age range for those to be considered for membership will be 16–25 years of age, with special consideration for those over 22 who have marched with The Cadets DCI corps.
According to George Hopkins, "We do wish to maintain our commitment to youth and by that we mean those who are attending high school and college, but for our first year we would like an assortment of experienced performers and past Cadets so that there is a base of leadership for folks to model."
Hopkins added that after next summer, "we will evaluate our success and go from there."
The design team and caption supervisors for Cadets2 include: Brass Arranger Jay Bocook; Visual Designer Jeff Sacktig; Percussion Arranger Colin McNutt; and Brass Caption Supervisor Gino Cipriani. The program coordinator will be Rich Hammond, with George Hopkins serving as a consultant to the entire process. As previously announced, the director of the corps is Eric Kitchenman.
Cadets2 begins rehearsals on November 26–27 with a weekend camp in the Eastern Penn. area. Rehearsal and auditions will begin at 10 a.m. Saturday and end at 3 p.m. Sunday. For more information or to sign up, visit the Cadets2 website. To contact someone with questions or comments regarding Cadets2 write to Melissa Babalonis Barlow at Melissa@YEA.org or at 610.821.0345 ext 115.
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And what is Bruno Zuccala's position Be?
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The G.A.S. has been active for many years now. I've attended several of their reunions, both in the US and in Canada. But beyond the actual reunion, I'm not sure I understand their purpose. So my question to you is, "What would be the purpose of a proposed alumni association?"
The purpose of the GAS Reunion is pretty much as a fraternal organization. It started the Cabs and Norman Prince suggesting that they have a get together. They invited Archie and Skyliners to join in back in 1986? I believe. Since then it has mushroomed to what it is now. I think that as ideas are suggested via this thread you'll get a better idea of what could be the outcome.
As for regional associations, once a purpose is developed, it would certainly make sense for alumni corps to start their own associations in the areas they serve.
Exactly.
But beyond supporting the parent organization, there does not seem to be any other impetus to start/create such an organization (certainly not a performing alumni corps) in the DCI ranks, except for special, celebratory purposes.
Well, Star Alumni still get together as far as I know. We have a couple Star Alumni marching with us in the Bridgemen. And I believe the Mini Corps "Sine Wave" is pretty much a bunch of guys from Chicago Vanguard.
I would appreciate seeing more discussion on this.
Me too. Good observations.
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Michael,
Never mind an alumni association, we should start an alumni union. Think of the demands we could make....
1. No more wearing of Spandex on the field.
2. No more wagon trains of pit equipment onto and off the field.
3. No cadence higher than 132, and even then only for short periods.
4. Every corps must wear headgear to reduce the glare for the audience.
5. Every show sponsor must provide a recharging station for Amigos and Hoverounds.
6. Any judges involved must be certified by both DCA and AARP.
The list could go on... and on... and on...
GREAT idea Andy. Personally I think that a Drum Corps Union could fit very well under the umbrella of the AO. Therefore I'm naming you the Union President. I suggest that you name a Shop Steward for each of the Alumni corps to keep the "membership in line" and happy. Just don't take any advice from Danny De Vito.
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At one time I suggested that DCA foster, or parent a loosely knit group,...........maintain a membership list on their website for purposes of one stop marketing of corps to promoters of shows, parades and other performance opportunities, and charge a small membership fee that would go toward further enhancing the DCA I&E event,........ sort of a sponsorship,............ with a goal of making the event even better, promote attendance at shows and DCA finals weekend, allow for some involvement in the alumni show planning and participation, etc.
All great ideas. I remember a few years ago Frank Neill, Director of the Reilly Raiders, called together representatives from several Alumni Corps on the east coast. I remember being the representative for 3 Pennsylvania Corps on a couple of occasions. I represented Steel City, Thunderbirds and Westshore. The purpose of those meetings was 1) basically to ensure that those Corps didn't have conflicting schedules for their indoor show during the indoor exhibition season. 2) if an Alumni Corps was overloaded on a particular day with more performances then they could handle they could past the performance along to an Alumni Corps that didn't any performances that day. 3) a kind of cooperative that could/would possibly share equipment. The last meeting that I was aware of took place maybe 6 months ago but I'm not sure of all of the Alumni Corps that were represented there. I'm sure Bridgemen, Reilly and Archie were there and probably a list of he "usual suspects" from the east were represented. But I certainly like you idea of regarding the possibility of somehow dovetailing with DCA. As far as making I&E better???? Personally I think they are doing a pretty good job the way it stands but such an Alumni Organization could possibly tweak it with some new twists. What bothers me about your suggestion is that it be parented by DCA. I think autonomy should be the goal of such organizations. I think that any funds that would/could be raised by the Alumni Organizations (AO) via shows, parades and other performance opportunities, a certain % of the earnings (say 5%) could be place in a fund that could be given to DCA the rest to the Alumni Corps that performed the gig.
But I'd like to see some of those Mini Corps be referred to as Alumni corps. Star United is a case in point. They ARE pretty much representing Star of Indiana, even though Star does have a larger Alumni Corps.
And I guess I'm thinking on a grander scale as well. While the mid-Atlantic Corps have had a few meetings as an organization, I know there are quite a few Alumni Corps in the Boston area as well. The Plymouth Thanksgiving parade turns out quite a few Alumni Corps from there as well. BAC, Holy Name Defenders to name a couple. There is the way I'm thinking of having this Alumni thing to be regionalized. I'm pretty sure the Mid-West have some Corps that have or could form Alumni corps as well. Those that have so far are Star and Madison. I was under the impression that the Cavaliers were thinking about it as well. Each one of these regionaizational organizations under the umbrella of the parent AO.
I think "corpsreps" could be a starting point to form a list of all of the Alumni corps that are presently in existence
These are just some of my thoughts. All constructive contributions will be entertained.
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Bridgemen...I would hire a good experienced staff and get them off of alumni status and into all age competition...
1) Guess Larry Kershner and Dennis DeLucia aren't experienced enough for ya, huh,....
2) We will NEVER compete,...PERIOD!!!!!!! We're having absolutely TOO much fun the way we are!!!!!!
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At least once, from what I remember.
And I'm pretty sure you're right... size is not a factor, in terms of who gets invited to participate.
If memory serves (and I was on the field with them) it was 2004 in Scranton.
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Just to start this aspect of the activity, what would be your thoughts????
1) Should one be established?
2) Should there be regional associations?
Any other thoughts?
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"Time to move on":
With all due respect: Henry Anthony "Lefty" Mayer passed away in 1975.
I would still feel better if he were still around.....
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Actually he past away the very night that he became a Charter Member of the World Drum Corps Hall of Fame along with Vince Bruni (Founder of the WDCHOF), Jim Costello, Harvey Olderman, Vinnie Ratford and George Bull, and the day before DCA Championships in 1976. I too would feel much better if he were still with us. His foresight with regards to the direction of the activity was nothing more then stunning.
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Honestly I think the membership and fans would desert en-masse. Honestly I have no desire to ever march another show with my knees covered...
But will ya be goin' trrrrue (scotsman's trill) laddie?????
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Ive seen several DCA corps go in and clean house....drive off a lot of the old school people that have held the organization together for years and then suddenly find themselves in bad shape. Slow and steady progress is the answer IMHO.
It happens with Alumni Corps as well. Steel City for example. their "new" director a couple of years ago wanted the Corps to be competitive, drove most of the old phartes away and the Corps almost folded. Just recently with the rejuvenation from some of the "old tymers" coming back they are once again looking and sounding good.
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Actually, no- two very different soprano players, lol! Mike in the lawn chair is one of our more "senior" members, Rob Hunter is the chops on "Harlem".
Thanks to Rob Hunter and Heather Melnick for clearing that up. I wouldn't want people mistaking me for great soloists like Robbie Hunter (or Ponzo even!!!!, lawn chair and all.
). And as far as the "more senior members??? I'm presently 65 and feeling like I'm 30. At rehearsal on Saturday in Hilton, Robbie introduced me to our latest lead soprano addition (by way of Jersey Surf & Cadets) this way. "Zack, I'd like you to meet Mike Siglow, the oldest Bridgemen living or dead." Couldn't argue with him, I am the oldest LIVING Bridgemen. -
Wow !!! all this talk about "7" and the Renegades right before DCA Championships. Iam loving it. Most of what the other posters have written is true. The early starters of the "Bay Area" Renegades did include Al Chan ( Cathay/Pinole Princemen), Brandon Wilson (BDB Drum Major/Drummer), Mike Rogala (Fulton Gauchos/Syracuse Brigadiers) and Mike Nash (Chevaliers /SSF Conquistador).
The "San Francisco" Renegades moved onto the DCA stage when Lee Rudnicki (Crossmen, Garfield, SCV) enlisted the help of Chris Nalls (Knight Raiders, BD), Dave Watrous (Spirit of Sunnyvale, BD), Kent Cater (SCV) and many others.
Back to the original post, the true meaning of "7" is something you have to experience as a member or a fan.
Come check out the Renegades this weekend in Rochester ... then maybe "7" will have a special meaning for you.
And if they ever place 7th in DCA Finals everyone gets a RING.
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Randy:
Wish you could be here too - MBI & Gades wreaking havoc on the Doubletree..AGAIN!!
Maybe you should look into that Fan Network broadcast of prelims..
Pat
Along with Bridgemen Alumni and Star United. Gonna be some great times Randy. Wish you could be here as well. REALLY looking forward to seeing all my 'Gades friends.
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Have no idea about food, but it does refer to the original 7... bunch of guys with great big ones hanging between..... well let's just say it took a lot of guts to make that one work... not often can an organization make that kind of an impact in such a short time...
If I'm not mistaken, my life long friend and fellow Fulton Gaucho from the very early 60's (and Brigadiers) was one of the 7... That would be snare drummer Mike Rogala...
Here are a couple of names that I'm pretty sure were at that first "meeting". Greg Gilman, Lee Rudnicki, Chris Nalls and Mike Nash. So if Mike Rogala is one of the seven then all we need is the names of the other two (2). I met Mike Nash for the first time last September at the DoubleTree. Had lunch with Chris Nalls back in November of 2009. Was invited to Greg's house for dinner the Friday night before the CNY parade in 2010. Still haven't met Lee Rudenicki but do have an autographed copy of his book "My Immortal-The Vampires of Berlin". Just started reading it. A lot of Drum Corps references in it. President "Duarte", ook,.....which is a reference to "notabando", a character from RAMD. Waiting to get to the reference to good ole "CB" herself.
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Congrats Jersey Surf.
SURFS UP!!!!!!
DO IT UP!!!!!!
HYPE!!!
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Yeah. We need a Superdimensional Time Space Reality Splitting and Alteration Device for the 20th so we can be in both places and have fun. Anyone have one we can borrow?
Geez,...I just gave it to my swecret identity.
Signed,
Clark Kent
Any thoughts on having an Alumni Association?
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Your constructive comments are always welcome Jeff.
This seems to be the point that Steve Anderman was driving at. As for the number of stage concerts here in the east the spring series seems to be the Dixie Stinger now being handled by Swing House and the new Lancers show. The summer season sees the Bridgemen's TOS. And in the fall it's Reilly Raider's Shamrock Festival, Brooklyn United's show and the Archie's Brass Reunion which is coming up in a couple of weeks. The Brooklyn United show is FREE as will be this year's Brass Reunion. I'm in full support of what Larry Hershman said 3 years ago when he was recognized with the PaDCHOF's Meritorious Service Award," Please get out and support the activity by your attendance at these shows."
I think that may involve by-laws and I'm really no fan of by-laws. Some people think that by-laws are written in stone. I think of by-laws as guidelines that definitely need to be very flexible. Sometimes snap decisions need to be made that don't require a meeting of the board and 2 weeks to think about it then 2 weeks later to be voted on by the board. Common sense needs to hold sway over by-laws.
I agree but I also think that with the Alumni Spectacular, with a lot of the Alumni Corps that never had an affiliation with DCA, rather then those Corps that did have an affiliation get preferential treatment as to when they perform, go back to the system of drawing numbers out of a hat to determine who performs when.
Again thanks for the constructive comments.