MilesandCassius
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How 'bout brown pants?
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But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick, perverted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg- isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do what you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
Point of Parlimentary Procedure!
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Neither. I joined my corps because I was amazed with the aura of intensity and solidarity the members had. I wanted to be one of them. Not to have what they had, but I wanted to be just like them. Because I knew THAT was special.
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OMG, maybe there is some trith to the folks that claim Cadets are always getting bashed "just because......
I hate the Cadets narration, its no secret, I dont hide it, and I think the shows of the past three years, with the narration, to me, in my opinion, and to me only, which is all I can vouch for, is terrible, just awful and the talent is being overshadowed by schlock,
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They are still a first class organization that provide a top notch experience for the kids to be competive and relevant at. Wether they win or not, they will always be feared, always be enjoyed by some, and deserve the respect, even if its on the basic level.
I know for a fact, speaking to George over th years and many, many friends that have narched in the corps that winning isn ot the top priority, not even in 84, and 85. The experience, the life leassons, the coping with the competitive spirit, etc.... all were very important and so was learing responsibility and discipline and being your best and satisfied with your output.
I wish the narration would cease but I also wish some would give Cadets the credit they deserve, there have been some pretty good history making shows out there, and many of the alumni are just top notch, respectful human beings.
Geoffrey
That's one of the more succinct, open minded, well-put-together posts I've read in a long time. Thanks.
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It isn't an idiotic thread because I am not an idiot - you may not like it but it is just my view - the Cadets have been so strong and this year they have been struggling - it doesn't take a genius to know that it does affect personally when you are working extremely hard and not moving up. Yes, the competition is strong however 5th place is not where the Cadets like to be even though it is far from defeated.
As a person of experience in this matter, the fact that '86 was bookended on either side by championship years doesn't diminish the experience of '86 at all. In fact, some of my fondest memories of my career were in that year when we came in 4th. It doesn't take a genius to make blanket statements about how people function or feel about life or how they measure success.
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it isn't proof, i just thought it was an ironic counterpart to the huffing and puffing my first remark elicited.
You're right. It isn't proof.
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That's you proof? That the corp's ideology is based upon a silly video?
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So..... after watching Atlanta live last night, I couldn't help but lament the loss of a once truly great competitor: SCV. After their "fall" in 05, they never really have seemed to pick up much momentum, and it looks as though they are on their way back out of the top six again. If I'm not wrong, their instructional/design team has been more or less the same since then, and they haven't been able to make many improvements to get them back competing with the big dogs. I've been an SCV fan for a while, but their shows the past few years haven't done much for me (or the judges it seems). They seem to be stuck in mediocrity from design to performance.
So what's up? Isn't it about time that they cleaned house and started fresh? No offense to the Vanguard members, but their current staff doesn't seem to be doing the job very well. This year 7th, next year out of finals???
Nice try.
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i will say this, every corps claims its all about the experience. some mean it, and some don't. it's been fairly obvious to me since i've followed this activity that the cadets never mean that, they are in it to win it, and look at scoring as a validation of their efforts in a way very few corps do. so yeah, i bet it will just kill them if they get 5th this year, and they will all come back next year caring about winning more than anything else, just like every year. but i doubt they will all drop out and stay home, or go try out for devs or cavvies hoping for a ring. first off, most of them probably can't play in bd's hornline or march cavvies basics block. but mainly, i bet they are all happy where they are and want another crack at it next year.
You couldn't be more wrong about what it is to be a Cadet, or to be part of the Cadets organization.
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Any time we were eating we'd be sitting on the ground, and most people sat Indian style. It became a pretty common joke that guys would let "just a little bit of skin" hang out from the leg of their shorts so it was clearly visible, and after a minute shout "Crap, I sat in gum!" People were always fascinated by it, and you could stretch the gum out and show them and ask them to take a closer look. My favorites were when people would make a comment that there was hair in the gum.
The look on their faces when they realized it wasn't gum is one of the best memories I will ever have!
LOL! That's the funniest thing I've read in a while! With your permission, I gonna steal that one and use it on somebody.
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Check out the intro to "America" in Cadet's "West Side Story" in '84. Right after the singing, and after the bongos, just before the pit starts the tune. It's lifted straight from Kenton's album.
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actually, dude...Im not a Crown "represenative". I am more associated with the Cavaliers. So perhaps you might want to back down on your presumptuous meter, and dont get so uptight when others speak their opinions, regardless how stinging it is....by the way, it stings because its true.
Also...no one needs to realize anything...let em have their milestone accomplishment, fantasy of winning it all (absurd or not)...dont be a joy kill for all those working hard. I remember when Cavaliers first made a run for the title....they were pleased as punch to actually get third in 86, too bad we didnt have someone like you keeping everyone in check....making sure that they were all thinking way too much out of the box, had too much energy and enthusiasm...wow, without you dude, my champ ring would be a fantasy.
I don't think your post makes you look very good my friend.
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a corps chaplain is lamest thing Ive ever heard of...its not practical....corps dont even have a medic, why have something way far, down, down the priority list as a chaplain, taking up room on a coach, slurping up the food, etc? maybe he could be a souvie/fix it/ pit crew type of guy who calls himself "chaplain"...or "charlie"...
We had one. Even though I'm not a Christian, he was wonderful to have around. He was a soft, stabilizing force. I disagree with you.
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For me, it gave me the knowledge that I was part of something truly special, that was recognized as such by my peers. It gave a kid like me the opportunity to believe in myself that I was worthy of being part of something that was the best in the world. For a low-self-esteem kid like me (although you wouldn't know it back then) it was a huge boost in confidence to me. Something I hold onto to this day. That I was part of something unique.
Fast forward to today, I take those memories of the people and staff around me and try to hold myself to those expectations. That I can get the most out of life by trying to be the best I can at it.
But the reality is, much like the book "Everything Important I learned in Kindergarten", I would have got those lessons at just about any corps I marched with. In fact, some of the greatest lessons I learned about life are from my first corps, a class B corps with 16 horns, 14 of which played. My best friends are still from that corps.
Having rings are nice. It's an affirmation that you participated in something at the highest level. But it doesn't make you special. What you do in life with the experience does. It makes you want everybody to feel the way you do/did. You want to give it back, to your students, friends, children. But the beautiful thing is, even if you don't get a ring, you can get the same feelings from this activity.
Were I to be asked to trade in my rings for the memories I had during certain rehearsals, surrounded by my peers and knowing what I was doing was good, right, for the experience of living with those people at that moment, you could have my rings right know. I wouldn't trade the memories for anything. The rings are not who I am.
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Yes, here I go again...
It's going to be a good summer.You make me tired.
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i don't have anything to add, so i'll post a picture from 1961 which is completely amazing:
edit: changed "######" (poorly behaved donkey) to "amazing"
In all my years of knowing the corps, I've never seen the sash on the opposite side for the color guard captain. Is that right?
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Outstanding. Love it. Brought chills.
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You reeeaally don't know? For real?
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I don't know if this is what you're looking for, but it was an interesting year.
We lost a boatload of veterans from '85. And '85 was far and away the most talented hornline I marched with. From their champion year of '84, there were only 22 horn spots for '85. It was tight. Onto '86, I think we had almost 50 new horn members. So there were lots of rookies. And some who had left after '85 were HUGE veterans who were the heart and soul of the corps. People who had marched since '80 and '81, coming from the bottom of the top twelve to world champions. These were special people. Of course, the drum line was always terrific. But with only 12 in the guard, we knew GE was going to be down. In '86 we also lost Zingali and Sylvester to Star for the year. And I think there was kind of a defeatist attitude, "There's no way they are going to let us win 4 times in a row, so let's just go out on a limb, do something different and creative and be memorable for trying something new. Let the chips fall where they may." Remember, '83 through '85 was the first three-peat. It was a huge deal when it happened.
It was a good year, a gut-check year, because I think we all knew that another championship was a long shot. New staff, new direction, new potential placement. We had to find out how to be Cadets, to maintain the quality that was the Cadets. And I think we did, because alot of us were there for '87 as well.
I don't know given all that we were, that anything we could do would have made us place any higher. I think we were a 4th place corps.
Because I was so lucky to be part of that corps, I don't look at any one year more fondly than others. There were all good for their own reasons. '86 was a good year.
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'83 Sky Ryders. In the concert. 'Twas good.
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That would be the Memorial Lancers from St. Louis. Below is a pic from that year:
One in color:
Colts toured with them briefly in '83.
That's them. Too cool. Real good corps. Thanks.
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Couple of Canadian Corps-
Les Eclipse- Like watching Cirq De Soleil on the field every year. Loved them.
Ventures- My God those ladies could play! Energy, execution, and power. And did it with an air of femininity. I think when they won A class in '88 ('89? '90?), I remember thinking that they were the best thing to see in drum corps that year, bar none. More interesting and inspiring in their own way than even the Open Class corps. I remember getting weepy with happiness watching them perform.
And I remember an all-black corps from Michigan (?) who wore Bridgemen uniforms but tan, at the U.S. Open in I think '83, and they just kicked all sorts of you-know-what. I came away that night thinking they were my favorites.
Many more special moments with A,B, and C class corps over the years. Drum corps can be so cool.
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Who was that masked tall skinny dork with knock knees that played baritone?
that played baritone... Really frickin' good?
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I have the 1985 Garfield roster. The mellophones that year were:
Marcie Glenn
Mark Hall
Anne Hamel
Mariclare Jarosz
Todd Johnson
Ginger Kelly
Laurie Kunzle
Chris Lewis
Mark Noonan
Joe Roche
David Welch
Kelly Wolner
Kathy Wygant
Take your pick. It must have been one of them.
That would be the lovely and talented Chris Lewis. Also the soloist in '86. And how on earth did you get a roster? Can I have one?
Madison Bass
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How 'bout different colored pants for different sections of the corps?