Room_101
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Regiment 2008: 1st overall
Vis GE 19.6 2nd
Vis Perf 19.6 3rd
Vis Ens 19.4 4th
Guard 19.2 4th
Regiment 2009: 9th overall
Vis GE 17,25 11th
Vis Perf 18.5 7th
Vis Ens 18.0 9th
Guard 17.3 10th
My unpopular opinion: They scored way too high in the visual captions in 2008 to begin with
I had no idea about Madison's 6th-1st-7th rollercoaster. What a ride! Any explanations for that? Show, staff, members, etc.?
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In the past several years, it seems that these three shows have had the most fan support to pull out a surprise Finals week. I'm curious to see which is the favorite!
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OK, here's the tangent. A corps should do a Football Highlights Show using music like the old Monday Night Football theme (http://www.myxer.com/ringtone/id/1775855/jimmy/Sports-Themes-MONDAY-NIGHT-FOOTBALL-NFL-theme-song/), NFL Films theme music, etc. These all have lots of brass and drama. Crown, maybe?
Crown Avon HS did that in 2004, actually.
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Stu,
You and I have not gotten along in the past, but thank you SO MUCH for pointing out the BLATANT hypocrisies in BBB's logic!
BBB,
I'm sorry that you're convinced that so many of us are "losers" and that you clearly see yourself as a "winner."
Perhaps you should give Charlie Sheen a call. I gather that the two of you have much in common!...not the least of which is your infatuation with your own perceived greatness
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If you cry after placing second, you haven't learned the single most valuable lesson about WINNING itself.
FIXED: If you throw your third place medal directly at members of the corps that jumped up to second on Finals night, you haven't learned the single most valuable lesson about WINNING itself.
And if you throw your second place medal at the exact same corps two years later...
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That isn't an issue with the concept of CI. At all.
From the author of CI himself, regarding 2009:
"My preseason picks, based solely on CI were:
1) Crown would NOT win
2) Cadets would win (Wrong)
3) Phantom would be 5th or lower
4) Bloo would be 4-6 again"
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Let's get back to the fundamental claim of CI, and that is: No corps can win without first coming in 2nd or 3rd. The statistical analysis is in the historical record, and is in the original post.
That's all fine and good, but my issue with CI is when particular posters begin using it as a mask to secretly complain about their corps being stuck in 4-7th when they think they should actually be higher.
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With these moves, does anyone think there will be new version of "competitive inertia" suggested? Maybe it will now be called "west coast competitive inertia."
For most of you reading this, that won't make a bit of sense. For those of you in the know, it will.
:worthy: But yes. It will simply be adjusted to explain why Vanguard isn't scoring as well as he thinks they should.
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Doubtful. Brass players don't usually do this en masse. I could be wrong. It would be something to see for sure!
Didn't a lot of brass players follow Cipriani to Cadets from SCV in 2005?
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I'm just curious whether DCI needs to have a class at the next staff weekend where they discuss the finer points of "How to Be a Professional".
Step One is "don't go on social media to make announcements about your employment status before the organizations you work for have a chance to craft the communication."
Can Step Two be:
"If you're an instructor for a current corps, don't go on DCP making comments that would embarrass your organization (and new one, if this staff change actually happens)"
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Because, apparently, no one else has figured it out...?
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Andre Tommy Mr. Feagin is a fantastic musician and educator. I can't wait to hear Academy next year!
On a sidenote, I see that the percussion caption head resigned. Any news there? What about guard (which I thought was their real problem...)?
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They reminded me so much of Phanton Regiment in 2003 - superb hornline
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Most of pushups and such are for conditioning sake in the long run.
I've never really believed that, either. I was always given 10 push-ups whenever we made a mistake. By day two, those 10 push-ups took next to no effort, so for the remaining 89 days of the season, dropping to do 10 was just a total waste of time.
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Possibly, but I did march in a corps with an "old-school thought process". Yelling did get the message across, to us at least. At least for me, I respected my staff members so much, that I would never want to disappoint them by messing up and putting a sub-par product on the field, so if they yelled at us, I knew we had disappointed them. But we always put out better runs after having that fire lit underneath us. Just my .02
But think about respecting them that much while they STILL treated YOU with respect!
I have yet to be at a professional orchestra rehearsal where the conductor tells us to take a 30-second "gush and go." No conductor has ever asked me to do push-ups for cracking a note, for coming in late at an entrance, or for being out of tune with the first clarinet. Granted, these things don't happen very often (if I may say so...). But, these conductors know that sometimes, things just don't go right. No big deal. We'll get it next time.
Push-ups don't happen in Berlin. Not in Chicago. Not at Juilliard. Not at Eastman.
The moment a conductor commands me to do them, I'll do the same to my kids. The moment the conductor skips a (water) break in rehearsal because we're doing poorly, I'll do it to my kids.
Until that happens, I'll treat them like what they are: professionals.
Maybe it happened in Reiner's day, but not any longer. And boy, don't these orchestras today sound a lot less tired? Here's to you, Mr. Farkas!
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I know, but that's the inherent problem. People have gotten much softer. Just 100 years ago, the average life-span was around 50, and infant mortality rates were 60%.... Think about that. Life was much harder, but so were the people. I just think it's a bit of an over-reaction to claim un-professionalism for staff members to yell at consenting adults when they're not doing what is expected. It's a competitive activity, you need everyone to be on their game all of the time, and always at their peak. If some kid isn't getting it, and is dragging the corps down, then it's prefect for the staff to yell at both them and the other members, to get everyone to be their best. Blowing sunshine up their butts will mean nothing if the staff spends all day saying, "That was perfect!" then the judges trash you that night.
You're running on the assumption that every single one of the members is 100% psychologically sound, does not have a history of violence, will understand your line of reasoning, will not take personal offense, will use it for personal improvement, will not have gotten terrible news from their family/girlfriend the night before, etc, etc, etc...I could go on almost infinitely, but I won't.
Over the past several years, the intersection of education and psychology has taught us that the tiniest little statement can have drastic effects not only on the student's improvement, but their later well-being.
Furthermore, this is assuming that the teachers are 100% clear every single time so that there is no question of "what is expected." Spoiler alert: I've watched plenty of rehearsals in my time, and never once have I seen an instance of a teacher being perfect.
As if that weren't enough, this concept of "everyone...on their game all of the time, and always at their peak" is, in my mind, foolish. It's the old adage of "giving 110%," which is just ridiculous. The human mind is a powerful thing, but it (and the body) needs rest. There is no such thing as being "on it" in a rehearsal the entire time. If you think you've done it, your standards are too low.
Lastly, "blowing sunshine up their butts" isn't what I'm advocating. You can discuss and improve their mistakes in a professional and polite manner, and I'll say it again: The respect you show to your students will be repaid to you ten-fold.
I've been a student and teacher in both philosophies, and there is no doubt in my mind which works better.
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(Oomph! A left cross to the cheek.)
The "Ole' back-up" is proper grammar? Proper grammar never left, it's just easily forgetten out of laziness. Hard to make a compelling argument without it.
Just sayin'.
Never been on middle school Facebook, but you apparently have spent time there. I suspect it's where you picked up an acceptance of poor grammar.
Just sayin'.
I have nothing to add to this thread except:
If you're going to attack someone for poor grammar, at least spell correctly and use complete sentences.
Just sayin'.
(And this is just this one single post.)
Just sayin'.
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To the extent that all symphony orchestras should have the same string/wind/percussion instrumentation; yes. Otherwise the ensemble is no longer a symphony orchestra
Yet even then, there are incredible deviations in instrumentation with symphony orchestras. You have some with period instruments (which can be vastly different from modern ones), some with particular takes on the status quo (take Vienna's horns, for example), and of course groups who adjust orchestration to make performances more practical (how often do you hear ophicleide instead of tuba in Berlioz?).
These groups all do these things with one ultimate goal in mind: to achieve the sound they want.
I have absolutely no problem with a drum corps doing the same thing, and I actually encourage it. Trombones and French horns would add a welcome sound to the current drum corps sound-palette.
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That's just disrespectful, regardless whether it was truthful or not. It's an educators job to educate, not humiliate. You can be truthful, and still have a shred of tact.
I'm glad someone here has some sense of what NOT to do when teaching! I just pray these guys never teach my kids.
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That was said to the ENTIRE corps and it was "and some of you are still effing fat"
Nobody was singled out. This was in the context of a whole conversation.
But does that really make it any better? Disrespect is still disrespect. It certainly doesn't mean that it was better teaching, either.
And btw, we got first in feet at quarters if i recall correctly. Just like Regiment did the year before. Recent trends for the visual caption do not apply to years ago. There are more factors for an underachieving visual performance than the caption head's teaching methods.
I actually didn't know that...thanks for the heads-up. My memory of that night is vastly different from the opinion of that judge, and some quick research supports my opinion, if I may say so (courtesy of fromthepressbox.com):
Quarters: PR 19.3 (1), Cavs 19.2 (2)
Semis: PR. 19.4 (3), Cavs 19.8 (1)
Finals: PR 19.4 (3), Cavs 19.9 (1)
With all due respect (since you were apparently on the field), I think it's pretty clear which one was the anomaly.
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Just do your job and Jay or Dwight will NEVER say a word to you. It is often the people who are spacecadets that end up in conflict with the visual staff. I for one never saw a person needlessly get attention that did not deserve it, or have it coming.
I quote: "WHY ARE YOU SO F***ING FAT?!?!"
That clearly =/= professionalism. (EDIT: Or just plain good teaching. The corps gained nothing from that except for an atmosphere of unnecessary hostility. And that's not even mentioning that fact that Dwight himself is somewhat...you know.)
Had I been that poor kid, I would have politely responded with a "Why is your caption consistently the weakest of the entire corps, year in and year out?"
Anyway, I'm getting waaaay off topic. No matter how I view JD and what he has done in the past both on and off the field, I wish him and the Phantom Regiment the absolute best!
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Now that most of us agree that it is in fact the visual staff who can be less than professional in and out of rehearsal...
...isn't it also interesting that visual is their comparative weak point? Perhaps there is a correlation?
If you treat the members with the respect they deserve, you will be rewarded with consistent excellence. Thank you Blue Devils and Cavaliers for proving this fact!
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tradition of the flag, just like other traditions, have to change to fit the new era. If I seem off base, please tell me.
THANK YOU!
That's all I was trying to say, before everyone secretly labelled me an "America hater"
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See my post - the description above is completely accurate.
Fair enough.
I guess I was mainly referring to the corps described in the original post at Finals, since I wasn't at the parade. My fault!
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My point wasn't about the type of flag pole utilized. To my knowledge, there is no such stipulation.
This is my contention:
If you are going to present a flag, present a flag. Do not purport that it is a military color guard by adding a weapon and attempting to execute some artistic vision of what a color guard is.
There are SPECIFIC protocols to presenting a color guard detail.
Present the flag in some other fashion. I'm not saying that it isn't right to do so. I'm saying that corps either need to figure out what a real color guard is or stop trying to look like something inspired by a military color guard detail.
Ahh, okay...I misunderstood. Sorry about that!
With that "all or nothing" mentality, you were simply referring to the actual "guarding of the colors," not to the act of presenting the flag overall.
Thanks for the clarification!
Crown Wins! And Other Finals Results
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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If you're counting only DCI Championships, don't forget the Cavaliers.
If you're counting other championships (VFW, etc.), then I think you're right as it is, unless Phantom has some I don't know about.