mistofflies
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Ya, but everyone in this thread knows that. Your point is made every few weeks or so by a different person each time as if they just discovered the theory of relativity or something. We get that, it's just for fun.
Those who are smart "get it." Not everyone is smart. I was only speaking in defense of CorpsLife.
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Your right. And I think we all understand that these are only temporary standings and not even head to head in most case. But it's still an indication of movement in any case. And if the only thing we can get "excited" about is DCI finals week then why even bother with having contest all summer? As old and senile as I am, even I undestand that my favorite corps might be up today and down tomorrow but it's still cool to keep track of where they are from show to show. That's what they "mean" to most people. That's all.
Hey, there's nothing with being excited about your favorite corps (or all corps!) improving. This is definitely the most exciting part of the season in my opinion. And I'm not saying that it's pointless to have competition before the "big week" but I'm saying that comparing scores from two different shows is NOT competition and not indication of change in the actual standings. i.e. how could someone say that Blue Stars is in 8th place when they didn't even compete against BK, BAC, or GMen? If Blue Stars is in 8th place come this weekend, then yes that's definitely something for the fans to get excited about.
And I'm not saying it's bad to put up fake standings, either. I check them, for amusement. But the point is that a lot of people are getting stoked about perceived placement changes, and they just might be a little upset once all the corps compete at the same show again. (Then again, they might not, there's no way of knowing until it happens!)
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Gee, who took a crap in your Wheaties?
Nobody. He's merely pointing out that people are having a hissy fit about all these "placement changes" when really it's false excitement. While it's fun to update the "standings" (and notice that the word is in quotes even in the thread title) every day or so, it doesn't mean anything. Madison closing the gap on Boston? Crown dropping to 3rd? Blue Stars in 8th place? People are acting like these placements are from quaterfinals or something, when in reality they don't actually "mean" anything.
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<-- Really looking forward to your Boston review.
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These tallies aren't right.
Make sure to add/take away points when you vote (and include the new scores in your post) so there's a running total.
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I agree with you too especially if your marching the same patterns just diffrent shows!!!
I don't think he's talking about forms. The Cavaliers, form-wise, are generally pretty clean. Especially from up top where their uniforms really help out.
He's talking about visual style from person to person.
Personally, I've always though the Cavaliers are weak at this. Their upper and lower body technique is generally very different from person to person. However, their style is very hard to get uniform from person to person (especially in the lower body). The trick is, the uniforms distract from the lower body so you notice the forms over the style of movement between forms.
And of course, because I'll get flamed if I don't say it, I'm not "bashing" the Cavaliers just pointing out that I've always noticed this problem with them. Bicycle is just harder to make uniform than straight leg. But that doesn't explain away the relatively lax upper body posture I've noticed from them over the years.
But really it's something you mostly only notice either from close-up or side views.
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I just wanted to know how DCP felt about the choice of corps members. I know some make think that the best of the best will make the corps, but I believe that corps are bias when it comes to choosing a veteran over a rookie. I learned from experience when I auditioned for the Bluecoats in 2005. I was a former drum major, had corps experience, have won many awards, including going to state on french horn in texas. I marched in a university marching band on mello and have played mello for years. I always thought and heard from many corps members and directors that I had the ability to make any corps if I tried. Well in 2005 I was put against 6 vets in chance to make the mellophone line. I was called back for three camps, all camps up until the January camp when I was cut with a score of 68 (you had to make 70 to make the corps). The thing that upset me greatly was the fact that there were some 04 bluecoats mellophone vets from Texas also, that were no way near as good of a player, hard as a worker during camps, and marcher as I and many other rookie mellophone players had noticed. I also noticed that 4 of the vets went to the University of Houston, where the mello tech taught brass. The bluecoats only took the 6 mello vets that year... Maybe I am over reacting, but I just wanted to know if the same thing has happened to others??? Thanks for your time.
Uh oh! Better call the
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I wish BD or someone would start making some shows that use electronics to show how ###### they are. Then we might see a lot less complaining on DCP.
Yeah but then people would complain about how they make it sound good but they never move while playing them.
/flamebait
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To be fair, this should have a neither option. Not everyone will have a problem with one or the other...
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Ah, this is not productive. DCI put out a great product last year. Bar none! Just cause a few Corps need more stuff to stay competitive, let them. No big deal. It will all work out in the end,always has.
JASON
I agree with you that last year's product, overall, was fantastic top-to-bottom.
On the other hand, if you seriously think that The Cadets (or any other corps) "need more stuff" to be competitive, you are sadly mistaken.
The Cadets have been competitive for what...ever since the formation of DCI? Before that? The competitiveness of the corps has to do with the work ethic of the kids, so don't insult the kids who sweat their ##### off to make some ridiculous point about being anti-electronics/narration/clowns/whatever.
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You must have marched with the mod's, why else would they suspend me for comments I have made about people in other threads, but leave yours open.
Well thanks for quoting my post, so that even after it gets deleted my words live on.
I really had no idea all this hullaballoo had exploded over this post. It's...quite amusing to say the least.
Suffice it to say that I didn't make a personal attack on this Jason fellow, I merely pointed out that his grammar, syntax and punctuation were all awful. For those of you who would argue that we should leave him alone and rather discuss the points he's making...to be honest, I can't read those posts, so I don't know what points he's making. It would be like trying to have a conversation with a Swahili-speaking native, sans the interpreter.
Please...please...let good English count for SOMETHING.
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"To avoid this particular can or worms, the proposal specifically states that pre-recorded sounds or sounds sequenced from other sources such as voices, wind and percussion instruments would not be allowed. That would prevent a corps from creating an entire vocal choir out of a synthesized patch and would further negate the replication of an artificial brass choir or percussion ensemble to augment the corps members on the field. It would also address the concerns of a recording industry that has been increasingly more vocal about the use of sounds that might be copyrighted, including samples from other artists’ works. In addition, woodwind and string instruments that are currently not legal would not be made legal under this proposal."
I'm sorry but this is a little confusing to me. Does this mean that any keybords, synths, or electronic instrument that create sound through use of samples of the actual instruments they're modeling are going to be illegal? How does that affect the use of FM, additive, subtractive, wavetable, or physical modeling synths? Are corps going to be allowed to edit and create their own patches? I get the impression from the article that the BoD is focusing mainly on the use of electronic instruments to play pre-sampled sound effects or to mimic pre-existing acoustic instruments (although not necessarily the ones already in use on the field). I really hope that's not the limit of their thought about electronic instruments, because they're capable of so much more.
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Then perhaps your original post should include a reference to the fact that such a show would be way better with amps, narration, cell phones, and extra hashmarks. Also, make sure to mention that a 70's drum corps would never be able to pull it off because all they did was stand around and overblow their horns. Not only will people argue with you, but they will do complicated research into the music in question to prove their point....
Hahahahaha, good idea. The only problem is that most people on dcp have learned not to argue with me and seem to just ignore me because I always win. Oh well.
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Meh, it's good music. I don't think it'd work well on the field. But that's just from my limited exposure to daft punk.
I'm not talking specifically about Daft Punk. If you're just wasting time on DCP right now take a listen to that link I provided above...it includes a wide variety of music that would work well for the type of show I'm proposing. Frank Stallone's "Far From Done" would be amazing...imagine the mellos on the arpeggiator parts!! It would really provide from some great technical showcasing AND some great, in-your-face ensemble moments. Additionally, a lot of french house music such as Daft Punk and Justice and the music that they derived their influence (and samples) from have SICK basslines. Talk about one of the greatest contra books ever. Also keep in mind that current french house groups like Daft Punk and Justice employ a LOT of samples and it's very worthwhile to look back to the original context and see what they took, and what was left out.
The reason why I'd pick the Cavaliers to design and perform such a show is because, at least in my mind, it seems a concept that would play out very similar to the Frameworks/Spin Cycle era of show design. It's not so much how the parts stand on their own, but more about how they're put together that makes this type of music interesting. And the great thing about, say, Daft Punk, is that if you took just their Discovery album you'd find a rich and varying body of material to begin working with...everything from rhythmic complexity, harmonic warmth, catchy melodies, etc.
A show of this nature would also necessarily require a lot of dance, a lot of fast movement/drill evolution, and superb integration of the guard into the mix. I think it's definitely possible, but it would also require that the design team do a lot of research into this style and era or music (and its historical predecessors) to being to understand how to bring it together.
Personally, I think that such a show, if put together by a top-notch design team, would blow people away.
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You know, I could say the same thing for a bunch of Constitution-related matters that impact us directly today. Real Ron Paul-type stuff. But it wouldn't get much discussion here, either. Don't be offended.
The difference is that this is related to drum corps as far as it's possible use as show material.
I'm not offended, I'm just boggled at how insipid the majority of dcp proves themselves to be over and over again. I guarantee that if this were a thread topic involving some sort of drama, or rumor, or bashing of DCI and current/legacy marching generations, people would be all over it.
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Bump again. Sorry this thread has nothing to do with worn-out dead horse topics like narration, amps, Hopkins, or G bugles, but if you haven't been exposed to this music you need to be.
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Bump. This deserves to be discussed.
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I'd personally really like to see a corps do a show featuring french house music. Good examples of what I'm talking about would include just about anyone on Ed Banger Records (ie Daft Punk, Justice, So Me, DJ Mehdi, Sebastian, mr. Oizo...if you don't know who I'm talking about do yourself a favor and learn about them). But there's also a long and rich history of french house music and music that came before french house (I'm honestly not sure how you would categorize it). And there's other things like...Goblin (Italian prog rock from the 1960s and 70s).
Do yourself another favor and listen to this mix, put together by Justice: http://this.bigstereo.net/2008/01/12/justice/ (mods take note: as far I know this is fair game and not copyright-infringing)
Not all of it is French music, by the way.
Anyway, I would probably visualize this more as a Cavaliers-type show, if for no other reason than I'm talking primarily about dance music and they currently hold the monopoly on innovate visual effects and synergy (yes I did just say that) between the visuals and the music. Granted that a lot of the music I'm referring to is highly repetitive in nature, it would present a lot of interesting arranging opportunities...working smooth transitions through multiple themes, overlapping themes in creative ways to create countermelodies, and developing themes into longer compositions...similar to what any dj would do when mixing these songs live in a club. Similar to the Justice link I provided above. I especially love when they overlap Goblin's Tenebrae with Rondo Veneziano's La Serenissima.
Basically what I'm getting at is that I think this is a rich body of melodic, harmonic, and rhythmic material that has to-date been relatively (if not completely - I didn't take the time to check corpsreps at all) ignored. What say you?
EDIT: Before anyone jumps my goat about electronics blah blah blah (since I am, infamously, an electronics supporter), I'm not suggesting this as a way to get electronics passed or as a post-legalization show. I'm talking about purely acoustic arrangements, thank you.
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Yes, DCI's objective is to crush the souls of fans and have all member corps perform to empty stands.
/obvious
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You've really outdone yourself there, Jordan. This is easily the most ridiculous post I've read on DCP. This is also the most ridiculous argument against getting girlfriend I've ever heard. Next you'll be telling me that you're not marching this summer because you don't want to get sun poisoning.
This.
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Oh, good - now I know not to waste my time reading your longer posts. Thanks.
Yeah, god forbid you actually learn something on dcp. BRING THE TAR AND FEATHERS!!!!
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The way the partials lay on the instrument is different. New Yamaha F Mellophones do a much better job aligning the intonation on the horn as far as the valve section construction and the actual valve slide lengths. The G instruments were based on an ever-evolving design starting on a one-valve instrument and adding steps, whereas the F instruments have been completely redesigned, even in the last few years. Also, the two things that affect a brass instrument's sound the most (aside from the mouthpiece and the player) are the bore expansion and the bell flare. Most of the G instruments started with smaller bore and ended with bigger bells (over a longer length for baritones, trumpets, and a shorter length for mellos). The fact that the bore expands from a greater starting point to a greater ending point over a longer length means that the flexibility in the upper register on modern mellos compared to older G horns is significantly diminished. Then again, mouthpieces today are better than they were even fifteen years ago. It also means that the modern instruments are harder to "overblow" on and can play with a better tone louder.
Also, this.
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On a related note, I've noticed that that the G mellophones always played in a much higher range than the current mellophones do, and they were also able to cut through the ensemble much better. Is there any reason why mellophones in key a whole step away should sound so different?
Yeah, maybe your ears are broken.
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There is tough love, there is also maturity in which most of you should have attained by now. He has aspirations of marching Cavies along with the other 6000 kids that will try, good for him. He is a kid who doesn't like Cadets, wow, there is something new. After reading all the love notes that DCP people throw at the Cadets I would be surprised if any impressionable fourteen year old would actually LIKE them. Help him mature and enjoy drum corps instead of blast, belittle and taunt him. Fourteen? How old are you "grown ups"?
So maybe I'm doing him a favor by scaring him away from this place before he absorbs too much influence. Things aren't always meant to be taken at face value here, on the internets.
And I never said I was an adult/grown up, anyway.
DCI "standings" after 7/30
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Nobody's complaing about dciguy01 doing these "standings." I think it's awesome (and one of the most convenient way to check for scores).