dundermifflin
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My point exactly. Yeah, you can "tune" them - but the refinement (that's a good word) and consistency are an iffy proposition.
No argument there. But as to what constitutes "proper" tuning, I'm guessing there are nearly as many different approaches as there are instructors/techs/tuning gurus out there. F#? .0008 lbs. torque @20 degrees celsius? Crank the little screws as tight as you can (or until one of the little retaining gizmos on the end pops off, then remove the busted strand) and then back them off 3/4 of a turn?
Gut or synthetic, kevlar or mylar, tuning is quite possibly more art (maybe even a little black magic) than science!
Fred O.
Exactly. I would bet that SCV (best tuning IMO),Bluecoats,and PR all have their methods that work for them and their given equipment scenarios because they seem to maintain that sound consistently.
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I think Mike Jackson would be a great fit at Crossmen. He seems to always have choice beats flowing for Mission Viejo and since SCV got tired of waiting for him to perform miracles for them, he's probably available.
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I've been thinking bout this for awhile. and whenever i make an arguement to myself, and think of putting it on here it would be shot down faster than [enter punchline here]. I WANT to say bd doesnt SEEM to play with dynamics, but thats a rookie statement if I've ever heard one. I don't think its unfair, however, to say phantom plays much more dynamically then the devs. I think phantoms writing mixes much better between the battery voices and the brass voices, and seems to flow musically a little better.
This is NOT to cut down bd's drumlne, good god if i could have those chops, I'd probably play the same way. I'm finding it a little hard to articulate a really "true" and robust definition of "musical", all I know is when I think BD drumline my brain automatically thinks harsher sounds, like taking a chainsaw to a steak, vs phantoms nice fillet knife.
I'd be really curious to hear a scott johnson book played by a paul rennick line, or vice versa.
Scott Johnson doesn't write the book for BD. Sure, he may throw some greatness in there at times but he isn't the percussion arranger for BD. I believe Dave Glyde is and has been for quite some time.
As for the comparison between the two, I enjoy both styles equally because you know what to expect from each line and they both are usually smokin'. As for the overall 'sound', I prefer PR's tuning. Nicer balance between the voices. However, I think SCV has the best sounding drumline around. Great tuning and technique.
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You really think Webber's drill is cheesy? It's like an amazing blend of Gaines and Murphy, where geometric meets follow the leader. I love it! What parts would you say are cheesy and why?
Honestly curious....not trying to start a fight.
I think Jared_mello was saying that the MUSIC was cheesy and didn't fit with Weber's drill, which is NOT cheesy. At least that's how I read it.
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I was rooting for SCV all the way. I think, however, that the judges called it right on finals night though. SCV had a flat show and Bluecoats didn't. History.
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I'd love to see PR take the Sanford this year.
But it really bothers me that SCV is TWO WHOLE POINTS back in Perc. (yea, i know, it's 1.95)
When was the last time that happened?
Yeah, I don't get why SCV is getting slammed in the drum scores either. They're playing the snot out of a great book and marching some ridiculous drill on top of that. Just doesn't add up.
I do believe PR should take it though. I'm certainly no Rennick disciple like the OP but I know a great drumline when I see one. I'm sure PR will take it. But it's DCI and nothing's in stone until it's over. Good luck to them!!
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How hard is it, people?? Is English not taught in the schools anymore?
I wonder that sometimes too. haha.
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Well, as I said in my last post, the book is chocked full of notes. Lots of fast single / paradiddle / flam drag licks - but instead of ramming them right down your throat like BD does, they are musically phrased. It takes a lot of control to execute this style of drum book, especially at the level PR is performing it right now. One makes the line great is they are playing this level of demand with great control and touch, met with both first class sound quality and clarity. What more do you want?
Contrast some of Regiment musical phrases with BD's monotonous ramming of notes at fff. I am not bagging on them, it's just different styles. Ramming notes at fff is cool too, but I feel the more subtle, musical approach to battery performance takes more maturity.
I agree that they are typically more musical than BD but PR's drum book isn't really all that this year. They are certainly a good drumline that is no doubt clean, but I don't think the overall demand is harder than anybody else's. I'm not knocking them. They're great. Just not knocking my socks off.
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Their closer sucks. It's no secret. I think if their closer were as exciting as the first two pieces, they'd be in a more positive situation right now. Also, I know they didn't get a lot of their drill until last minute so they're playing catch up. But, I guess that's what SCV is known for....catching up. Hopefully, they can bring it to DATR and then San Antonio. Either way, I'm rooting for them.
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I agree on both Blue Stars and Troopers for entire corps improvement. I might add that Madison's percussion section has made huge strides from last year. I have no affiliation with them. It's just something I noticed.
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I say PR wins that battle. Possibly by 1 or 2 points. Yeah, they are that good.
I've seen both shows. SCV has a better show IMO. PR is probably cleaner at this stage though so you're probably right about them winning the first meet. But, when SCV cleans it up, I think they'll beat PR in the end. Just a hunch.
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Mostly the same "Cavie" staff from last year at SCV. If it changed, then it probably changed last year.
Fiedler's got nothing to do with the marching style. Fiedler's got nothing to do with any of the show aspects. Fiedler helps make it a better running ADMINISTRATION.
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I'm certainly no hypocrite. I think narration is lame no matter who does it and how they do it. They should all just shut up and play their instruments. Call me a hater or an old timer or whatever, but this is drum corps we're talking about. I want to hear some great brass with great percussion, see some amazing drill, topped off with some stellar color guard action. There's no need for some weak narration making up for weak show design.
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I think the Scouts are much better than last year. I think the drum and horn books are beefy enough to allow them to jump up quite a bit as soon as they clean it. I'm not a guard person so I won't even comment on them. I do like their show for the most part and I think they will easily take out Colts and Blue Stars when everything previously mentioned, regarding guard unis and work, is in place and at a better level. At any rate, I'm rooting for them. I never marched with them but I have always respected the Scouts. It will be nice to see them in Finals again.
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Also, I think a couple of them married their Blue Stars sweethearts as well.
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SCV
9 snares
6 tenors
5 basses
4 cymbals
I think 7 in the pit.
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SCV + Gold Finish = Teh Champs
In '89, SCV's drums were a blonde or natural wood finish. They may have appeared gold in the lights but weren't a gold finish. Just an FYI.
However, I do agree with your logic.
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G L E N C R O S B Y
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SCV was an amazing line that year, full of DCI "All-Stars." I think they peaked way too early, because by the end of the season they were a shadow of what they started out as. Not saying they weren't amazing, but I never thought they deserved to win drums. They were dirty by the time they got to Madison. Now their tenor ensemble...that's a whole other story. I just saw a video of that for the first time in over ten years, and I'd forgotten how ridiculous it was!
I would agree that they probably peaked early but they certainly weren't dirty by any means. They may have had a bad lot or two but they were certainly throwing it down, not to mention the ridiculous stuff they played. 6th place in drums? Please..
Again, I don't think they deserved to win drums because they didn't have the right package but I still think they got robbed a bit.
Also, a little sidenote of insight. I've met a few of the guys that marched in that battery, and they all seem to have the same memory of that summer.....miserable. Drumming your butt off with nothing to show for it. Oh well, I think they rocked!!
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yes. I thought Star and Crossmen were both much better, and Cadets, minus the big schlock on their initial entrance were up there. Plus, Cavies drum solo to this day grates me nerves for the sound of the diddles in the split line coming together portion.
Well, I was really referring to the SCV placement. Those guys owned the word 'drumline' in '92 and unfortunately, got hosed due to a lame show. Not trying to take away from the other groups' success though.
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Some Perspective:
CAVALIERS
9.9 --- 9.9 --- 19.8
1 --- 1 --- 1
CAVALIERS
9.9 -- 9.9 --- 19.8
1 --- 1 -- 1
CADETS
9.6 -- 9.6 -- 19.2
3 -- 3 -- 2
STAR OF INDIANA
9.4 -- 9.8 -- 19.2
3 -- 2 -- 2
BLUE DEVILS
9.1 -- 9.1 -- 8.2
6 -- 7 -- 8
MADISON SCOUTS
9.5 --- 9.0 -- 18.5
4 -- 8 -- 5
CROSSMEN
9.7 --- 9.3 --- 19.0
2 --- 6 --- 4
VANGUARD
8.9 --- 9.4 -- 18.3
7 -- 4 --- 6
PHANTOM REGIMENT
8.8 --- 8.9 --- 17.7
9 --- 9 --- 9
BLUE KNIGHTS
8.9 --- 9.4 --- 18.3
7 --- 4 --- 6
VELVET KNIGHTS
8.6 --- 8.7 --- 17.3
10 --- 10 --- 10
BLUECOATS
8.2 --- 8.6 --- 16.8
12 --- 11 --- 11
FREELANCERS
8.4 --- 8.4 --- 16.8
11 ---- 12 ---- 11
I've got no beef with '92 Cavies winning. I thought they were the best line with the best show. I just don't agree with the other scores.
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92 still stuns me. the only time i questioned a drum call in DCI
Agreed.
As for the above mentioned '91 three way. There was a three way tie for field (execution) but Cavies and SCV tied the GE captions that they used for breaking ties. Both Cavies and SCV received trophies.
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Percussion:
Battery=SCV
Pit=BD
Horns:
Tough more me to say. I really liked Crown but I don't know how difficult their stuff was.
Guard:
I liked the stuff that Bluecoats did in their show. Pretty creative for the show theme.
DCI high percussion through the years?
in Percussion Planet
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I do know that SCV won the drum caption in '88 for sure. How the judges determined it that year, I don't know. You're probably right Hulka.