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Those three corps aren't the only ones not at Denver and Minneapolis. Crossmen, Spirit, Surf, and Boston all aren't, either. Clearly it is an oversight on DCI's part to not correct it. It has traditionally been based on the Saturday prior's scores (just like SA is used for Atlanta, Atlanta for Allentown). Thus because Denver and Minneapolis are on different weekends, that is not the case, it is Minneapolis and Alexandria this year.
Use common sense. It's obvious that it CANNOT be Denver and Minneapolis because there are 7 corps that won't be at either show, and everyone at Denver will be at Minneapolis. Clearly that just wouldn't make sense, as the corps at Denver would then have a lower average than those just at Minneapolis. If DCI were to actually do something like that then they are just asking for everyone to flip even more so than last year. It's already bad enough that they are using two different shows again this year, rather than having everyone go to Minneapolis. That hasn't happened in a few years now, and is a little ridiculous.
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I'm not involved in any alumni stuff, but why should there be pressure from the alumni? I think people are excited to see Crossmen put out an accessible, quality product that is hanging with finalist corps and has a great shot to make it in again. I hope that the corps members stay off of social media and just work to max their show.
Even with staying off of social media, for all corps, there are always alumni around. Especially with a corps like Crossmen who have alumni in much of the northeast, from Virginia up to New Jersey/Pennsylvania, and more recent in Oklahoma/Texas. Members get opportunities to meet and talk with alumni when they volunteer, are at shows afterwards, at rehearsals, etc. It's not easy to get away from alumni in any corps, I feel. Maybe the alumni of any/all corps should just focus on being proud of the work that the current corps is doing, and not care so much about competitive placement as they do about making sure they have a great experience?
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I can't wait to see what Spirit has to bring this year! I love the programming selections, and being an anniversary year, I'm sure pride is high, both from within the membership, as well as the alumni and those close to the organization. I am glad that they are making the wise decisions to focus on organizational stability to recover from the poor management of the past decade or so, as well.
Though we can't all just assume that everything is in the clear for Spirit! They are a corps that will still need lots of love and support from us the fans. Regardless of what you think of their show when you see it, still seriously consider making purchases at their souvie booth and donations to the corps. A $40 for 40 years campaign is going on, I believe. Every little bit counts!
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Crossmen have the largest amount of age-outs this year since the move to Texas. (35 or 36) and over 75 vets.
When was the last time the corps had that many age-outs period? Early 00's? Late 90's?
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They are really on the cusp of something great this year. Depending on the mood of the corps they could really bump up. I watched them rehearse this past weekend and I get the feeling they are under a lot of pressure from the alumni move up in placement. I really hope that the kids are enjoying their summer. Having a great show design is only part of the equation, if everyone is miserable by the end of the season it will take it's toll.
I have to agree and disagree with you here. Yes, they really are on the cusp of something great. If they were to end up at the top of their neighborhood, they could be as high as 8th potentially. Only time will tell.
I agree that there probably is a lot of pressure from the alumni to move up. 3 of 4 years in 12th place would make any alumni group want the corps to have a breakthrough year and move up. But I also feel that the same happened in 2012 as the season progressed and they saw what was happening. But I know that the corps had a blast that entire season, regardless of the pressure from alumni. I'm sure it is much the same this year. From what I've heard so far, they are having a great time and loving the new staff and the approach they bring.
If anything, I think some pressure might be more on the admin/design side of things with the staff change. It was controversial and curious when it was announced only a week or two after last season ended. I think it would be more pressure for the new staff to produce results and not be another staff change after only a couple seasons of slow progress upward. This corps has gone through way too many staff changes recently. It would be nice to see what a staff can do that is in place for more than 2 or 3 years and actually truly build something. It can take time to get things moving. Slow and steady wins the race. Hopefully they have patience with the new staff, even if there is only marginal competitive improvement this season and next.
But that could all be null if they really do have that breakout year that we are talking about.
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Does anyone know how the performance order will be determined for the San Antonio Regional?
DCI.org says it will be based on the MInnesota/Denver results, but Crossmen aren't even at those shows.
Minneapolis and Alexandria. It has been the Saturday prior's shows for a very long time now, which the past few years has been Minneapolis/Denver. It's probably just an oversight on DCI's part as they probably just copy/pasted from last year without even checking the schedule. Denver is the week before Minneapolis this year with most everyone at Denver being at Minneapolis, so that doesn't make sense.
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Selfishly, I'm wondering what it's going to be like to go back to my room after San Antonio, Atlanta, Allentown, and Indy and not have the Recap Roundup to do. I think I might need to take up late night model building or something, because it will just seem too darned weird to get to bed before 4:00 a.m., or to leave Lucas Oil Stadium at 3:30 a.m. and walk to my car, the last one in the parking lot. I got so used to that, I kind of looked forward to the uniqueness of the situation. I don't know yet if there will be a Recap Roundup after Finals. Some of my most intense memories are writing it while watching the Zamboni-like machine erase our hash marks from the professional field and also view the goal posts being set up for what often was an exhibition game in just a few hours.
Seriously, did no one think of the effect on DCI's resident Boo?
Well you can still do all that if you have access to the recaps, and just hold on to the stories to publish when all recaps are made public at the end of the season, can't you?
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Texas is the home for the most corps members save California (which should be expected with the most world class corps in that state). This can be attributed to the fact that most corps have at least one audition camp in the state nowadays.
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Have you tried the various corps that are selling tickets for the show? Are all the corps blocks sold out, as well?
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I don't think he meant it as a bad thing. I think he meant he hopes that there isn't a huge gap between the top 7 corps and the remaining finalist. The top 7 corps are the best of the best no doubt about it, I don't think he was discrediting that in any way. If anything, I think he was telling the lower corps to pick up the slack lol at least that's what I got from it.
Yes, this is more so how I feel. If those 7 corps are clearly by far and away the best 7 corps, then yes, the rankings should reflect that without question. I just wish there were more competition across the board like we've been seeing outside of the top 7, where corps can move up or down as many as 5-6 places in a given year. Jumps such as those from 17th to 12th are seen as much more reasonable to predict and happen more frequently than those from 11th to 6th or 9th to 4th. I just like unpredictability and change in the standings to keep things exciting rather than the built in self-fulfilling prophecy that is the G7.
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With Crossmen having much of former Crown staffs and that philosophy, they could continue their climb on up that far. I think Blue Knights had their time in the sun, but might be falling off this year. Could be wrong (and hopefully am, I love BK the past couple years). If they have another 6-8th place finish this year, they could easily still continue to climb with some new innovation next year. Other than that, I don't really see anyone breaking into the top 3 within the next 8 or so years. At least right now. Blue Stars have been consistently inconsistent between 8th down to 13th, same with Madison.
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It's looking to me more and more every time I see it: I'm gonna pencil in BD for top 2. The only way I see them dropping to 3rd is if both Bloo and Crown greatly increase the sophistication and complexity of their productions (Bluecoats more than Crown). They need to add more layers and need to both be cleaner than BD. The likelihood of this happening for both corps? Not that likely, but possible. For one? Very well could happen. Other than these 3, it's probably going to be an outside shot for Cadets and Cavaliers. As much as I want to see SCV in the mix, especially with this show, I just don't think its going to happen this year. I also think that once everyone gets together, you're going to see these as the solid top 6, with Phantom by themselves in 7th. Then another gap to the rest of the field. Yay another year for the G7...I hope I'm wrong.
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it'll come back if web hits fall enough.
i have only been to DCi's site to log in to view shows, otherwise I've been using the DCP app, which is far better than DCI's mobile site
Not because of recaps not being there do I not go to the DCI website anymore unless I need to (I was happily able to get perfectly good, clear, accurate recaps via the drumscorps app no problem last summer). I stopped going since the redesign of the site made the schedule much less user friendly, the increase in load time, among other little annoyances. I miss the old DCI website.
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I didn't say it was a problem.
It's just very unusual, and hasn't happened for many years, that corps' scores have gone up and down by as much as seven, eight, nine points in one day.
As far as I recall, the biggest jump that we've seen so far is 5 points. But please correct me if I'm wrong! And I think that this peculiarity can likely be attributed to the lack of recaps, as has already been said. We shall see what they decide mid-season about if this experiment is working and should be continued.
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Well, if "accurate" meant "showing how subjective judging really is", than I think you were right; we've now seen multiple scores jump up and down from show to show by four points or more (sometimes much more, and in just one day).
And is this a problem?
Especially early season, there is much more variance in performance day to day than late season. Corps are making many more changes and additions during these weeks than they do during the weeks after Atlanta. They're still working on endurance to be able to fully complete the show to its maximum performance level. If judges are truly calling it like they see it on that days performance, then this should be expected, same with spreads between corps getting larger and smaller and larger again day to day for these very same reasons.
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What captions in visual were judged?
One visual judge, so visual analysis.
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honestly there have been years where they were very much deserving of it, but sometimes it feels like some judges are to afraid to put anyone above them on finals night because of how dominant they are.
Hence part of the reasoning of no recaps this year! To free up the judges in making their decisions!
Then again, if Marie put BD's guard only .1 lower, or crown .1 higher, they would have tied last year. And how does Phantom's guard go from 13th to 6th overnight?
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My wife (a DCI fan by marriage), who has adult ADD, has a much lower threshold to sensory overload than I do. She can't stand the windmills in BAC's show, especially when they are positioned near the front and start moving. They just take her attention, and she can't get away from them.
She can handle rifle tosses much more easily (especially unison or sequential).
Even a number of us who have been around the activity a long time can't get past BAC's windmills. Those things have gotta change if they want to not be on the threshold of not making finals!
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Thank you for the clarification.
No problem! I just don't like mis-information and mis-conceptions going around and being spread. Like how it is totally reasonable to compare scores across shows halfway across the country. (That is still okay to do, right?)
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Let me just clarify that it is not if/when necessary. The caption awards are ALL determined by the average of all three nights of competition. Period.
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We might (sadly) be looking at another rainout. I hope not, though! The Bristol crowd was always one of my favorites.
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edit: I'm tired and am dumb.
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I hate how there's no musical buildup to Bluecoats' first hit. It makes it so hollow.
See, for me I absolutely love it! Because if you are familiar with past drum corps arrangements (especially Crossmen 2002), or the original, there is a build up, and then right when you're expecting to get slammed in the face with a great impact, the brass stop and its just percussion for a little bit longer again. Then WHAM! there it is!
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.1 away from Phantom in visual
Probably beating them in guard and maybe analysis. If I had to take a guess, I'd say visual proficiency is the weak link there, at least for now. Gotta clean those feet and body moves!
Any lock for Top 3?
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