Bucbari
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I saw my first drum corps show in 1967.... the year my brothers Lenny and Marty marched with the Raiders of 88 junior corps from Highland Park, NJ.
So that makes 40 years in the activity in some way, shape or form for me.
I am now officially frightened. :P
Fran
40 years ago aug 12. Parade in Pecksville PA and your family is all to blame between Lenny, Marty and that brother in law of yours who dragged me down to the post in Highland Park. An evil curse on your brothers and Wayne!!!! ^0^
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What a great memory!
Yes I was at the DCA's and it was my first year on the field with a Jr. corps. I had gone to DC shows regularly before that since I could walk because my dad was a fan. He had a unique view where he liked em all but really enjoyed the rebels. I was sitting a couple of seats away from Fran that night. What a show and a great year for DCA. Sky just blew me away with Little Ol NY, Lucretia, The Jam and the all time favorite elks P. ...Sun's Hi de Ho with the whistle high (Screech) solo's, Hurcs Impossible Dream medley, Rochester with the Superstar stuff we were all into then, Cabs had to overcome all that and did with a sterling and strong perf. I thought Sky won but I went there as a sky fan. There were recordings out during the season so we got to listen to these corps on an album before championships. Loved that sky show but also loved the cabs show. I tape recorded an exibition they(Cabs) did at Manville's home show in 71 and listened to it till the tape litterally wore out. I think Matadors were on first and remember those screamming sops! Liked the Kingsmen's Orange flags. It must have made a great impression on all that were there because what followed for me was 35 straight years of drum corps with only 4 off for good behaivior. Fran Haring also devoted the next 35 years....Arientano too. I wonder if that year spawned the highest number of "Lifers" in drum corps....we may never know...LOL...
John Clougher
SH Crusaders 71-80
Sunrisers 80 - Present
Does anyone remember that everybody in the top six beat each other during the course of the 72 season. I believe everybody in t he top 6 won a show that year against the other 5.
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Sunrisers 1980 - Present....that's 27 years
John Clougher
Sunrisers
How many years does Larry Visconti have John? and is he still marching
Oscar
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Nor should you see folks in the organization post stuff like that. We disapprove of it. I can't speak for the anonymous poster who typed the stuff you quoted, but I can assure you that members have been instructed time and again to not jump into the fray and post things that are inappropriate (saying that other corps suck certainly falls into that category). And, no one in the corps or its administration is treating anything as a lock or is looking at our competitors with anything but respect for the quality and capable corps they are (and if an attitude creeps up like than now and again it's dealt with).
As for the show being boring and beyond the reach of the members, I'll leave that alone, since you're entitled to your opinion. I will, however, say that the members continue to make tremendous progress every week and I hope you'll be in the audience in Rochester to see it for yourself. (if we don't put you to sleep first :P ).
Can i throw the alumns into that mix Tom? We know how hard every corps is working. We Know as alumni of the Buccaneers that every corps is a champion for having the guts to put themselves on the line every weekend.
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Attendence issues at shows like this; with top-shelf, outstanding corps and in the middle of drum corps/band regions doesn't bode well.
We really need to address the issue of bringing more fans to the activity.
Were there exhibitions at the show?
Did adding all the mini-corps and alumni corps exhibitions to Clifton help attendence? Seems that that was a HUGE show, from the standpoint of number, variety and qualty of performance groups.
No exhibitions and no alumni. Sky was supposed to appear and pulled out. I agree the small crowds are starting to bother me. This used to be a big show. Half the seats on the 50 were empty Saturday night. Maybe everyone just misses Fran!!!! and his shirts.
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What stadium was the Scranton show held at? And how was it?
It was held at the old site, Memorial Stadium. Great field but the crowd was small. I can rememeber when the concert side for this show would be packed.
Another aside to this, the mechanics in the Scranton area are great. I'm heading home and where 380 and 84 merge on the southbound side the alternater, which was fixed 3 weeks ago, failed. so I'm stuck on an island in between 2 highways with cars going by at 80 miles an hour at 11:00 PM. One 80 mile tow ride later I'm going to kill my mechanic....lol.
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For whatever reason, I don't recall, but I seem to remember that there wasn't any recording made of DCA finals in 1968. Because of that, I bought Fleetwood's two-record set of the Yankee Rebels' 'March of Champions' contest which I think was the only major DCA show recorded that season. Maybe others here can verify that and supply some background as to the reason this happened.
I believe the Buccaneers won the show and Sunrisers were perhaps second. I believe all the top corps were there and recorded: Hawthorne, Hurricanes, Skyliners, plus the Marine Drum and Bugle Corps and the Rebels. Perhaps the Sunriser recording Fran refers to is from that show. The old Memorial Stadium in Baltimore was huge, and the recording has tremendous echo/backlash at times, especailly from the starting line and the end zone/finish line -- remember those?
I'd have to dig out the old records from the collection to tell you more. Maybe tomorrow!
I have the Bucs legacy audio disks with 68 on it and I could have sworn that its from DCA Finals. We did win the show and The Long Island Conservatory Of Music did come in 2nd that year.
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You're kidding me with that "anniversary year" comment, aren't you?
Oh.... that's right. I forgot about that DCA rule that automatically gives the championship to a corps celebrating a major anniversary. So it's not like the Bucs have actually worked hard and put together a great program.
Troll.
Fran
I don't know where he came from Fran. <**> I watched Bush hurcs and Bucs rehearse yesterday afternoon. Everyone is working very hard but DCA isn't just going to give shows away because of an anniversary.
A little aside to what I saw at the show and rehearsals yesterday. The Hurcs have worked their a****es off. I was really impressed. We had all better watch out in the future because the storm warning is coming.
And another aside....WE miss the hell out of you Fran.
Oscar
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So were there any caption awards in Reading?
Cabs won guard, Bucs took all theother majors.
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No need for rhetoric here. All of us have our opinions and all are valid. Just go with your gut reaction. Anyone using this poll to put down the Cadets (or any other group) or chosing to brow beat those who disagree with them rightly earns the title of loser. I'm really curious how this turn out.
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I would do what I do now...go to a DCA Show
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Kicker is DCA started this (kind of) as Boys of '76 (Racine, WI) had one in 1970 (have the recording) and think Sun was the first (kind of) in 1969. Buccs and Yankee Rebels had them by 1974 when I started.
Kind of - Scout House Jr (Preston, Ont) had marching glockenspiels they used in exhibitions in th 1950s/1960s..
I heard some people griping but biggest complaint was when some of the mid 70s DCA albums came out and the bells come out louder than "real life" due to mic placement. Still remember a letter to Drum Corps News that had the line "Drum and Tink-Tink Corps". Heard louder complaints when the pit was started.
First few years the bells were in use they were not played the whole show. Some were used for effect during the drum solo. 1970 Boys of '76 had the player plick on Yankee Doodle. Then John Flowers, drum instructor of the Yankee Rebels really cranked things up in 1975 with 2 different size bells and each player smacking the crap out of the instrument with both hands. Their drum cadence started out full volume featured the bells playing "Anything Goes" and people stopped talking when that started. (Still looking for a recording of that.)
Sun definately did this in 69. i have the record Fresh Air Fanfare from that year
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I was just thinking yesterday what I would do if I had a Fairy God Oprah and then you start this thread.
I would try to start a Society for the Preservation of Traditional Drum and Bugle Corps, (SPTDBC). Sponsor circuits and offer substantial prize money for the performance of traditional military style drills.
Granted everyone has their idea of traditional, however, I think we can all agree, clean sidelines, carried equipment, color presentation, Off the Line, means Off The Line and finishing over the right goal line. G horns, (personally I like my 3 valve DEG, but I would go for P/R, also). Drums that are used, do not require the players to wear ear plugs! Some semblence of VFW/AL field rules and judging by the tick system.
OK, truthfully, if I won millions of dollars, it's the last thing I would do, but this is a drum corps thread and I'm an old fart.
Maybe an indoor, air conditioned practice field for the Buccaneers, but with R/C mosquitos.
I wouldn't be Bucs field without t he mosquitoes
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Sorry, not many older corps here. Although I'm sure they were great, they were before my time.
Not before my time. I saw my first show in 1966.
1. St. Joe's of Batavia
2. Chicago Royalairs
3. Blue Rock.....god I loved them....those yellow uniforms
4. 27th easy
5. Argonne Rebels...probably the greatest hornline ever in 1971.
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You place the start of booing a corps with 1993 Star. Apparently you weren't in attendance at Camp Randall at the Preview of Champions in 1991. Never heard anything like it - before or since. It was so bad that the venerable Brandt Crocker even lost his cool for a moment and said, over the public address system, "That's uncalled for!!", after which, the booing acutally got louder. The booing was for Star beating Cavies. I wouldn't say the booing was all directed at the judges that day. I think it had a lot of anti-Star in it.
Anyway, booing is bush league. This kids aren't paid for what they do. Give it a rest.
I know this is a DCI forum but i remember Reading Buccaneers being booed off the field in Hersey PA.....in 1974!!!!!! Booing is childish and there are more mature ways to express displeasure.
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I have to say, I agree with a many of the sentiments of the original post (especially about '93 Star); however, I still have some reluctance to boo a drum corps. I just don't know how else to voice displeasure with the show designers without projecting that upon the corps members - especially when the judging community is falling into the trap of believing that some of these new directions = art.
it's very simple Skyraider. You sit on your hands, you politely keep your voice to a minium and by these simple acts voice your displeasure.
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I have spent 40 years observing the age situation and it indeed is MOST interesting... the following is unscientific and strictly my observations but I believe that they are historically correct...
1. Prior to the mid 1980's - experience seems to have dominated... and of course Cabs were the "height" of experience. Sky and Hurcs too...
2. Bush kicked into existence (mid 80's) with a "somewhat" younger average age and a serious combination of experience and youth. This worked for them for almost a full decade. From afar, they seem to be returning to that formula...
3. The 90's saw the dominance of Syracuse and Empire who both - again - lowered the average age of the corps and to no one's surprise (or at least it shouldn't be) slightly increased the amount of practice time over what had become the "norm" in DCA corps.
4. Now we have the more recent emergence of Bucs and they have - I must add "most likely" as I'm a million miles away and have yet to see them this year - again lowered the average age... and I'm certain are a phenominally hard working corps.
What does this all mean? I believe that dedicated and talented corps can do serious damage in DCA (Renegades? for instance) but that the ability to have that same dedication and talent in a younger corps that most likely can rehearse a few longer hours a week (assuming the talented staff to mold it is there) will usually win out come championships...
Now some questions from afar... Bucs continue their romp through DCA... Still young (average age) I'll bet? Cabs are making a big challenge this season... are they younger average aged? Bet they are... and I know they have dedication and talent...
Before anyone goes ballistic - it is certainly possible that talent and experience could win DCA... It just seems to me that with all other things equal... the younger average age will prevail in this highly competitive and physically demanding activity.
Just an "educated" opinion...
In 1977 the Sunrisers were known as "the milk and cookies kids". We were pretty young and won that year.
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interesting.........the cabs score this week and last weeks bucs score are exactly the same! so what does this mean?
Probably about a point behind....but it means nothing until Bucs and Cabs go head to head again.
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DCP is slowing down like whoah....
Definately slowing down....too much traffic.
IT Boy
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Yeah, we may have gone under. Hopefully we'll come back before too long. This is the craziest night of the year for us, obviously.
The reason DCP stays alive is because it's all text, so each page doesn't' require that much bandwidth to load. bluedevils.org on the other hand hosts tons of photos and, this year especially, tons and tons of videos. So when lots of people want that all at the same time (tonight) things sometimes meltdown.
All I can tell you now is that we are working on it and hope to be back up ASAP, but no actual estimate of when that will be.
Hope that helps.
When in doubt reboot
AKA IT Boy
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Vanguard in 6th!!
About this time last night we had over 500 people on this thread. The scores and placements tonight and last night are very predictable. Very little drama except Cadets.
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Sweet! Gotta love it.
Very Interesting as Sgt Schultz used to say.
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I believe there is no doubt about the answer.
The Brigadiers lost the first show of 1999 (Barnum in Bridgeport, CT, in June), and they did not lose again until the last regular season show in 2003 (West Haven, CT, in August). I can't remember if the official number reached 50 or not, but it was close if it didn't.
The Statesmen were the last corps to beat Brigs until Cabs ended the streak.
Since that stretch encompassed almost 5 entire seasons (including 4 DCA Championships), I doubt that either Caballeros streak could match that in terms of number of shows, unless there were so many more shows per year in those days.
I thought Cabs only because back in the 70's we had more shows per year. I remember in 77 I believe Sun had 18 shows in one year as an example. We had shows on Saturday and Sunday and DAGUNIT WE LOVED IT!!!!
George "I'm still tired" Setzer
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Thanks for the update...
Continued prayers for both you and Barb...
Looking forward to later this week!
Yours in Corps,
Tony ;-)
Sounds like progress is being made Fran. My hopes and prayers are with you both.
George "Oscar" Setzer
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Hey, you do know drum corps never existed until DCI was formed.
Wouldn't a better start be '68 when DCA started?
First of all DCA started in 65....I know because my Bucs won the first DCA.
As far as the longest winning streak I would guess Cabs either 73-74-75 or Cabs again 84-85 or Brigs at the turn of the century.
George "Oscar" Setzer
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And everyone came back after the rain delay. It was a great show. :P