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Thanks for playing, you opinion is noted and respected, as wrong as it may be.

Great rebuttal.

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2CoolVK: If you keep making so much sense. Some people on this board are going to have a nervous break-down.

I think it's alot like people who go listen to a band at some hole-in-the-wall bar and think they're hearing the "next big thing". These people go buy the band's CD and listen to it for month's and tell their friends about how great this new band is that no one knows about. Then, to their dismay, the band actually makes it big, gets on the radio, and noweveryone listens to them. They now have to share the band that was "theirs" with the world, and it's not so cool anymore. Drum Corps is starting to make it big and these people don't want to share; they'll disguise it by saying "well, sure it's on ESPN now, but it's advertised as marching band", just to protect "their" precious drum corps.

The marketing is a cop out, easier to draw the dumb masses in, but it would be those that are interested in band anyway, not going to pique the interest of the cheerleading fans, they kow what Band is, nor the pool players, dart throwers, shuffleboard, curlers...etc......band is defined, by stereotype or not. Drum corps still a mystery and quite frankly, by settling and calling "Extreme marching band" DCI has missed the boat in really selling the activity and giving the cred and the chance to flourish, that it could.

See.......they don't want drum corps to make it to the mainstream. "Drum Corps is still a mystery"

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for the record verbatim spirit is the summer performance ensemble  of jsu

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Thank you.

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first let me say finals 86 was a sad time for many facing the back field and seeind the 27 in big letters was just heart breaking im sure it was for those who march them as well i never forgot that sight. on to the other when i was looking at the spirit site i was shocked to see the following " jsu's summer band program"  that is what spirit drum corp is refered to as.

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I didn't want to get involved anymore, but don't make stuff up to prove your point. The website calls it a "Summer Performance Ensemble". Is that not what a drum corps is?

Take your hate somewhere else.

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Thank you Bama!

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If you want to talk about numbers how about going back to the 70's and 80's see where Spirit of Atlanta was placing then.  :)  It's not just the University, although I'm sure it helps tremendously, it's the management and the staff they hire to teach and run the corps. :)

1977 23

1978 6

1979 4

1980 4

1981 9   

1982 12

1983 7

1984 6

1985 7

1986 6

1988 9

1989 14

1990 11

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I know all about "old Spirit" and "new Spirit". I was taught how to play a marching brass instrument by Freddy Martin himself for 4 years. The alumni and the University have brought Spirit back from near collapse.

I was just comparing Spirit's situation now and the time immediately before JSU's involvement.

Alright, I'm not going to beat this horse anymore

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change is good only if it is for the best, you said look at their scores my point exacly  they use to be  running for the top 7 has spirit placed higher than 9th 10th

since  changing

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If you want to talk numbers, then take a look at them.

Spirit placements from 1991 to 2000 (before JSU):

15, 16, 17, 20, 23, 17, 14, 16, 15

Spirit is better since teaming up with the university.