StuStu
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Cadets killed their rendition of Kashmir in encores. I say a Led Zep show.
hey they did a Tull show. so ZEP
That would be epic. Ripping off the line with "Nobody's Fault But Mine"...
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Well, excuse me. I was not demanding appeasement - just asking a question, since I do not make a habit of watching retreats.Well, excuse me again. I was taking the word of other posters at face value there, since I do not make a habit of watching retreats. Good thing someone who knows everything was here to set me straight.
No problem! Glad to help.
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So to be sure I understand this; you will have the same snipey remarks when any other corps hires a staffer from another corps this off season right? You're not limiting your remarks only to Boston, right StuStu?
I crack wise wherever and whenever the opportunity presents itself.
At the risk of sounding immodest, my Facebook posts during finals week have attracted quite the following over the last several years, as I don't take anything too seriously and call 'em like I see 'em.
I have a particularly snarky relationship with the Blue Knights.
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Any truth to the rumor they're going to change their name to the Poachmen? Maybe the AllenCrown Crusaders?
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In the pre-DCI era, Cavaliers won the American Legion National Championship in 1966, 1967, and 1969, and won the VFW Nationals Championship in 1957, 1959, 1961, 1962, 1963, and 1967.
IIRC, Cadets won 11 American Legion championships prior to the formation of DCI. Off the top of my head I can't tell you which years, though I'm sure its on corpsreps or wikipedia.
That's a total of 21 national titles over the span of 82 years.That's one reason tradition is so valued by most of us who are part of that drum corps family.
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As explained above, that all makes sense.
What about the part between completion of score announcements and "clear the field"? Are Cadets allowed to mingle with other corps and offer personal congratulations? If not, should they consider it in these changing times, where members move between corps more frequently and sportsmanship has grown?
Cadets do not mingle at retreat, particularly when this would mean breaking another corps' ranks. And I don't think they should even consider tossing aside decades of tradition to appease a handful of bando-come-latelys.
I also take issue with your assertion that "sportsmanship has grown". The mingling, the congratulations, the talking with friends in other corps -- none of this is new. However, it previously was done in the parking lot, not on the field. And, as far as sportsmanship goes, anyone who ever marched can tell you at least one story of a time when they needed something and another corps came to their aid, or vice versa. There are other ways to convey sportsmanship besides high-fiving your buddy on the other side of the field.
I really wish they'd reintroduce the tradition of corps being released from the field one at a time, in reverse order of finish. This gives each unit one last chance to play for the audience, often times the corps signature tune or some other bit of music that you dont' otherwise hear. It also allows the corps to salute the champion.
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I think the prejudice against drum corps goes back a few decades when, to be honest, musicality occasionally took a back seat to high, fast and loud.
In this era, though, the musicianship is quite staggering.
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Here's a thought for you. Fully one half of the 16 active corps to have made top 12 have at least one title.
And, those eight corps account for 46 of the 48 champions since '72. (Remember, there have been 3 ties)
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Not to mention that mechanical and synch rights can be far more expensive than performance rights.
Plus there is a very large number of works that need to be licensed. When a corps chops up eight or ten tunes in a single show, the cost of clearance skyrockets. It's a tough balancing act, I'm sure, to produce a legally saleable product at anything close to a reasonable price.
I suspect that's also why we don't see videos beyond the top 12. At some point the number of additional sales is too low to justify the cost of producing the product.
I'm sure it is not a lack of desire on the part of DCI and/or the corps to provide the products. But it's tricky business these days.
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I can concur. Ive seen members removed for drug and alcohol incidents. Dropped off at the bus station or airport, and told good luck.
FWIW, this is a substantial change from 30 years ago. I'm not sure when drum corps cleaned up its act, but in the '80s there was partying all over the place.
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Sounds cool, unless you're blind in one eye like me. I feel sorry for my kids, 'cause whenever a new animated movie comes out we only go to the 2D theaters.
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First time I saw Devils was Thursday, in the 3rd row on the 50. The opening wave under the blue fabric startled me, as I had no idea it was coming. Very cool effect.
I also loved the Academy skeletons skittering across the field to the graveyard. Favorite moment of the season. In fact, that whole show was fun -- like a trip through Disney's haunted mansion.
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For those of you too young to have seen it, Cadets did this at the company front push at the end of Appalachian Spring in '87. That's how the show ended until Finals, when they did the "retreat" ending and faded out. Only took 29 years to have it appear again.
It's nice that people remember what we did nearly 30 years ago. (I was on the 50 when the front reformed). For the record, though, the outro was in place all season .
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There's a Sully who drives a truck for them! LOL.
Little known fact: 18% of Boston's residents are called "Sully".
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525,600 DCP posts?
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One of the key things I learned in the Cadets is that you do what you think is right, and don't worry about what other people think.That's all fine and well, but that doesn't change that to a good number of younger fans, it comes off as rude and cold. It's just the new culture. The militaristic roots of DCI are slowly dying, and as much as those complaints about Cadets at retreat may grind your gears, it's starting to become the new direction. What corps still stand completely at attention during retreat anymore? Cadets? SCV? Phantom? That's all I can think of. And even SCV and Phantom start to mingle once dismissed. When you become the odd one out, people are bound to notice and to some of the fans who don't know the history, it'll rub them the wrong way.
I realize it's largely symbolic, but Cadets' demeanor at retreat is one aspect of the corps I'd hate to see abandoned.
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It really grinds my gears when people complain about The Cadets' at retreat. I blame DCI for letting retreat devolve into an unorganized mess.
Cadets are simply doing what they have been doing at retreat for decades. Stand at parade rest and exiting when the field is turned over to the champion.
If kids today don't care for the militaristic look and demeanor, there's plenty of other places to march. But when I was 18 it made me long to be a Cadet, because I thought they were total badasses.
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KA-BOOM!!!
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Cadets first made finals in '75. The finished out of the top 12 in '76, '78, and '79. They have been top 12 ever since.
Cavaliers were an original top 12 corps on '72. They missed finals in '73, and again in '78. Otherwise, they've been a consistent top 12 corps.
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Sure, but the capacity of the venue and recent historical attendance is what's relevant here. 81 was 35 years ago and irrelevant to current discussion.
You asked if it was near-record attendance. All I did was answer your question.
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Record attendance for Indianapolis, but far from an overall record. IIRC, that happened in Montreal in '81 or '82, with north of 40k in Olympic stadium.This year was near record attendance, wasnt it? I think that's part of the problem. Less and less actually open seats for corps members to sit in on the sideline sections of the field, where it was less of a problem with more seats open in past years. (Wasnt long ago attendance was ~17000, where this year it was 22k. A lot of seats to fit the members\staff in) Place was packed. May have legitimately been people who grabbed a seat that was unclaimed earlier, and thought it was 'theirs' for the night, and not fair game for anyone else without a ticket to grab... resulting in those people asking for a ticket before moving..
That being said, the first rule of grabbing seats as a member\staff is that while grabbing seats is generally viewed as OK, you also give those back to someone if they have the tickets.
EDIT: 40k is the number I remember being tossed around. Did some looking, and it seems that's a bit fat. Consensus is the actual number was in the 35k-38k range.
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By my count, 40 corps have appeared in the top 12 during DCI's 45 championships. Only 16 are active today.
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That kind of situation also gave 27th Lancers a boost when I marched in '85 and '86. There were several former members of Pride of Cincinnati, Memphis Blues, Avant Garde, and North Star. And probably others i just can't remember.
I really like to hear myself talk.
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I don't like everything that has evolved in modern drum corps. But I'm glad that creative minds are looking forward. I'd get bored with too much of the same thing.