Tank
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Yes, I know companies do that. How is that remotely equal to George making proposals to the BOD at DCI?
IT'S A BOARD OF DIRECTORS! DO YOU REALLY HAVE TROUBLE SEEING THIS?????
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It takes skill to ride a unicycle. It takes skill to be a professional wrestler. It takes skill to wire a house. But all these skills could take away from effect in a DCI show. Electric is not another voice the way DCI has used them since the start of DCI. It is another type of sound. And micing up a small group takes no skill at all for the players, except do the sound check properly. It, to me, takes away skill.
DCI 2012- Miced caged zoo animals are allowed to "further possibilities".
Flying monkeys and use of C4 are on the docket for '12, too.
"Let's blow up that brand spankin' new stadium in Indy! THAT'LL be REALLY creative!!!"
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BTW, where is thee "significant change" in the sound? An electric piano? Hardly....IMO. At least no more than the addition of mallet kehyboards "back then"...even less of a change, really, as keys already exist.
Mike, you are thoroughly delusional if you think it will end at an electric piano. Just because the APPARATUS "kinda looks" like something already on the field doesn't mean the TECHNOLOGY will sound that way.
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But instead it seems it is possible he gave that crowd other reasons to berate him for unprofessionalism.
Indeed, it is possible. It's a notion I'm willing to entertain. If that is the case (and we all can understand the biases involved in the first- and second-hand accounts), then it is thoroughly disappointing.
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In Tim's case it's the ideas that were bad..which is far worse than the existence of an emoticon.
Yowza yowza yowza.
This just in: You can write a proposal using your own feces so long as it's a "good idea".
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To the rest of us, the unprofessionally written proposals make him look really bad. But if it really did matter how the proposals were presented on paper (as in, they were turned down BECAUSE of their appearance), then Hopkins would have figured out to run it by a proofreader or maybe get someone to pen them for him by now. Obviously that doesn't matter.
It should matter.
If Tim Kviz's proposals were poorly written and featured emoticons, no doubt the anti-acoustic crowd would have berated him for his unprofessionalism. No. Doubt.
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I have no problem either. If there is a judging issue...correct THAT. IMO the sound is what should be evaluated. If it has problems the corps should suffer.
This doesn't happen.
Talk about a bad idea.
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Why would you give items more weight just because they are written well...or downgrade one because of grammar and spelling erriors?
PROFESSIONALISM!!!!!
THIS PROPOSAL WENT IN FRONT OF A BOARD OF DIRECTORS! TO SUGGEST THAT HAVING A GOOD-LOOKING PROP IS NOT IMPORTANT IS THOROUGHLY LUDICROUS TO ME. PUTTING THE SPELLING ERRORS ASIDE (and, really, we have frickin spell checks here in the 21st century), WHAT POSSIBLE USE COULD THERE BE TO USING EMOTICONS IN A PROPOSAL TO A BOARD OF DIRECTORS??? HOW DOES THAT MAKE GEORGE AND THE CADETS LOOK GOOD???
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Another piece of people's disillusionment lies with the implementation of these changes. Examples:
-As has been noted here on the Planet, brass players are penalized when they have sound problems (balance, attack, intonation). Can the same be said for an amp (fraks, feedback, cutouts)? Judging & judging criteria seems to be nebulous at best, and now they are making it more complex.
-Remember when amps were supposed to result in smaller pits? How many fewer keyboards did the Cadets have in 2003 compared to '04, '05, '06, '07?
The one for the future: Remember when WWs in I&E was "not a backdoor" to WWs in DCI?
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And...how do you get to your "incapable" idea from a desire to continue to expand the options?
"I can't find a way to make the sound of a helicopter naturally, so I'll just have a machine do it."
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My contention is this:
All of this talk about abandoning the activity and flocking to DCA, wearing abusive t-shirts and such is just foolishness.
I'll grant you the abusive t-shirt thing. But in my opinion, continuing to support DCI blindly through the constant addition of things you dislike is foolish. Finding another activity, or another venue for said activity, is not. DCA has just as much right to be a part of the market as DCI does.
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So, you're saying that a proposal, having gone through the proper channels to be accepted into consideration, is not worthy of discussion. But a proposal that significantly changes the sound of drum corps, though poorly written and poorly researched, gets a free ride because the guy who wrote it (poorly) has "cred"?
Got beat. My bad.
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Just because you think the "wordsmithing" was good gives them some sort of edge? The ideas presented are the important part, IMO, not the grammar...and Tim's proposals fell way short there.
So, professional-looking/sounding proposals (involving things like grammar and I'd even include emoticon use) are not important?
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2. What 10 years now?
I thought the amps prop was into its teens before it passed, but I could be wrong.
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3. Doesn't seem to be. One of the last strong voices kinda got drummed outta the activity.
Jeff Fiedler introduced woodwinds to DCI the year it passed.
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No, I don't see that. A judge evaluates the sound produced, the good and the bad. Doesn't matter what is producing the sound. If it's good they group should receibve a high score...if poor they should receive a low score and everywhere in between.
This has obviously been shown to be true, given how corps get docked for amp problems . . .
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what gives us the right to be the arbiter of what is really drum corps?
It's our right, because we choose to (pay to) attend or not.
If you don't want to see (your definition of) drum corps, that is within your right.
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It's not like you #### off anyone any more. Those that are going to get bent out of shape are about as bent over as they can get, so what difference would it make?
This might be one of the truest things ever uttered on the Planet.
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Or maybe Sunday? I thought I saw a timeline someplace, but I can't recall.
Do you just have to argue against the DCP status quo????????
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and here a corps is being dissed for staying and working within the system.
"Staying"? Yes. "Working within"? Ehhhh.
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The gaping holes I was refering to was the impact analysis, and most importantly, the fiscal impact analysis
Apparently, there is none.
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Yes... Not corps directors, but directors of various organisations with billion dollar revenues...
It's doable.
Yes yes yes yes YES!!!
Instructor's caucus
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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Noted, yes. Actually judged . . .