flugelswerebugels
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8 hours ago, Stu said:
Please show where I 'complained' about slotting. All I have done is pointed out that subjective scoring of like-minded judges lends itself to slotting, and that various-minded judging lends itself to some judges being deemed incompetent. By the way, slotting is not strict to just one placement but is limited to a parameter; and 2008 is an example of parameter slotting. BD was slotted in the top 3 all season; they never we're going to fall to say 11th by Finals like what can happen to an early season 1st place team in 'objective scoring' competition.
I get why people would like to see more movement over the course of the season. My first year in top division competition it seemed everyone beat everyone else at some point in the season, and it was kind of fun. But corps stay in their relative positions due to the competition itself, not some secret slotting sauce.
As for the idea of objective scoring, and comparing drum corps to competitive sports, can you show me where drum corps play defense? Unlike competitive sports, drum corps can have no effect on the performance of their competitors. Hence, we're left with a subjective scoring system, just like ice skating and gymnastics.
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So Stu has been complaining about slotting but then sites 2008, when Devs lead through most of the year and in quarters- and semis- and then were overtaken at finals? I think the slot machine broke!
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In this era what could be more genius than taking away potential topics of analytics from fans? Yeah, no one is interested in that crap anyway.
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Why yes, my stunning looks are the only reason I was ever able to march BD. Too bad it hasn't worked anywhere else in my life.
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Blue Devils will score high, a Brazillion at least.
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Thumbs up for the flugel (see my user name). But what - nobody makes bell front French Horns any more?
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I've been struck by the fact that DCI opened up the front sideline so that marching members could cross it, but then corps immediately closed off that possibility by building a wall of pit instruments. Lots of practical constraints, but why build your own? Why does the pit have to be front and center?
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One bass drum in a set of rolling hoops. Perfect for a very large physics and mathematics classroom.
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I always loved Spartan Stadium in San Jose, for Pacific Procession:
The acoustics in there were amazing.
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OP: Hilarious.
Some of the replies: obtuse, and missing the point at best.
Irony is dead.
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If you liked that triple tonguing run on the field...
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AAG A with their coaches in 1972 or 1973; western North American tour. They didn’t travel east until 1974 to Ithaca, Ontario in 1975 and Montreal in 1976. They traveled lots of miles from 1970-1979, over mountains and vast prairies and by 74-75 they needed new coaches. I tried to google and no. Does anyone know where they are in this photo?
I'm pretty sure Wells Fargo Bank (at that time, at least) would have been only in California.
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Honestly - I didn't think Crown's drumline was bad. They were 6th behind some fantastic lines. No shame in that.
Crown's show was great. But, if you are talking about winning a championship, I think the bar is pretty high for a first time champ. For all first time winners in DCI since 1983, the lowest placing caption was Cadets percussion in fifth in 1983. Otherwise all first-time champs since then have placed no lower than third in any caption.
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One of the more interesting cassette tapes I recorded was late at night after Phantom won the 1979 DCI Midwest (Whitewater). That was the first year they rented out dorm rooms
for spectators, and I kept my recorder running at about 1:00 a.m. There were LOTS of people who were upset with Phantom winning that night, and you should hear all the stuff they were yelling
in the courtyard next to the dorm. I really can't post any of them on here. Interesting piece of history now, though.
Wonder if people were upset about the spread as much as who won. Spirit won prelims by .35, Phantom won finals by 3.05! Must be an interesting story (or 5) there.
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For part of what you are looking for, search "competitive intertia" in this forum.
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Michael Boo is the closest thing DCI has to a "National Treasure".
:-)
Mr. Boo - it does not mean you don't need to take out your garbage cans. It may mean you should be locked in a glass case for permanent display, though. With a nice Camembert.
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Denver used to be a pretty major "regional", even if it didn't feature the whole of world class. You'd get at least two or three corps to travel that far, even if they went no further. While that's probably not as far west as you or I might want them to go, it was a start.
Now it's just the corps out west using Denver as a stopover (and the occasional Phantom/Boston that did the California tour).
Its about 1370 miles from Seattle (where I live) to Denver. Its about 1301 miles from Allentown, PA to Wichita, KS. Would you suggest to someone in Pennsylvania that they should be content that the closest show is in Wichita?
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1975 Blue Devils: "Space Tower Chuck"--Space Shuttle, Tower of Power and Chuck Mangione
Sailor Squibb Cakes in Space
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You can get some idea of some of the different scoring systems in use through the DCI era on fromthepressbox.com:
Click on one of those years and then look for a little red box which says "recap" (its not on every show listed there)
This will show you the different captions.
Unfortunately, it shows only the scores the corps received in each caption, but not what the maximum possible was in each caption. But you can kind of guess what that is by looking at the recaps from DCI finals - the top scoring corps were usually pretty close to the maximum scores in each caption.
If you look year by year you'll see how the scoring system evolved. Of course, this doesn't explain exactly how these scores were arrive at but some of the other posters here have done a pretty good job of explaining that.
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Is it possible for a corps to lose its World Class status? The Cascades are obviously struggling this year, with a very small corps, and haven’t recovered from there inactivity a couple of years ago. They have even taken a step backwards from last year. If performance level and size are meaningless to your corps status as a World Class corps than the status is meaningless. Does a World Class corps get higher performance fees? If World Class corps get higher performance fees and are not delivering a world class performance, why should they get more? It is also must be discouraging for corps members to have their corps come in last every show with no one to compete with in their class. If they were in the class they deserve, they would be able to compare themselves to others in the relatively same level. Is it fair to have a corps that is only World Class by name to perform after an Open Class corps that is twice the size and performing at a much higher level? I know that a corps can struggle from time to time, but if they are truly World Class, they will still perform at that level. Are they World Class for life, or is there a standard for them to maintain?
I don't know the answer to your question, but it sounds like you were at the show in Renton last night, and I had the same thoughts after watching Oregon Crusaders and the Cascades perform. The Crusaders performance level is comparable to World Class corps (I don't know their situation in regard to other elements of qualifying for World Class) and Cascades look like they more realistically fit in Open Class, at least in terms of performance.
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How did you like BK's closer?
I liked all part's of BK's show where the horns played. And they played quite a lot in the closer, so it was one of my favorite parts of the show.
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I was at the show. I can't say I can write reviews of the shows, but I can give my impressions. Since I'm a horn player, that's what I mostly focus on.
Unfortunately, we got there late and missed Thunder.
Oregon Crusaders sound very good. Lots of their music will be familiar to old-time drum corps fans. They still don't have drill for their closer.
Cascades are quite a small corps. I still find it a bit odd that there are more people in the pit than in the guard. They use some permanently placed flags to create a smaller field, so it does make them look slightly larger. Their sound is pretty good, considering their relatively small horn and battery.
Blue Knights have a pretty nice sounding horn line, but they spend a lot of the show running around while synthesizers are playing. I'd like this show better if their horn line wasn't serving as visual so often. The guard uni's are certainly eye-catching, and they use some seriously bright colors in both the uniforms and the flags.
Boston shows they mean business the second they enter the stadium, with a horn block proceeding in tight formation all the way around the track to set up in the front corner of the field. They have several big brass hits which are very effective. This is an in-your-face show, and will probably not disappoint those interested in a more old-school style of performance. They have some very nice nuanced moments as well. I really enjoyed this show and so did my 13 year old daughter, who didn't want to go to the show at all, but ended up wanting to get a Boston Crusaders shirt. And, since I wanted to make sure to thank Boston for coming to the West Coast, she got one.
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So this deserted jungle island comes equipped with a smelter? Can the two adversaries just decide to smelt down both their instruments and make a glorious open fire waffle iron instead? Yum...waffles. (You never clarified why they desire to kill each other. Can't we all just get along?)
Waffles: Promoting peace and understanding since 1572.
This raises the question of whether the cymbalist or contra-ist are Belgian. That could make all the difference.
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I don’t know how this thread became DCI should be held in the middle of anywhere. Using that logic, since it’s called world championships, shouldn’t finals be held in the middle of the world? The fact is if finals are held in the mid-west its closer to corps that reside in the mid-west, finals held in the east favors corps residing in the east. Same can be said when finals are held in the west. The problem is that finals have only been held in the west once in forty years! In sports the team with the best record gets home field advantage. Using that scenario the majority of finals should have been held somewhere near Concord!
Then lets just have finals at Mars. Come, enjoy the glow of the gas flames, the breeze from the Bay, and the craters. No one would ever forget it.
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Blue Devils 2018
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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Just coming back to this thread and I almost pointed out bdcorno's dino nature, but he'd already roared in with his comments, even if it took him 30 minutes to type it because of his tiny T-rex arms. Those arms are why he preferred the old "snail" French Horns instead of the "baseball bat" French Horns.