BRASSO
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BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A running commentary of the show.
As Dick Vitale would say :
' IT'S AWESOOOOOMMMME BABY !!!
haha!
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Exactly, thank you. I attempted to be clear about stating that I don't understand the negative feedback on this year's production. I realilze there's always a "To each his/her own" element in any artistic endeavor, but I can't help but feel like there's almost an effort to find something wrong with the Blue Devils shows as opposed to other corps who are given some leeway to better develop concepts and performances, despite thos other corps having programs that are just as (if not more) esoteric, weird, etc.
When I think of " esoteric or weird music playing" Corps ( your words ), one of the LAST Corps that comes to mind for me are....... the Blue Devils.
In fairness to BD, I'll acknowledge now that my critical post on them above was based on a video, not a live performance, and it really is the first week. So in hindsight, I 'll try and reserve judgment on them until later when I get a chance to see them live, and they get the neccesary time to add stuff that no doubt they will.
I'm open minded to changing this season's impressions of them. BD has earned that from me for the many years that they have thrilled me with their performances.
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I disagree with most here. I thought BD was not only hard to follow, but just typical BD. Not much musicality being showcased. LOUD CHORD... pause... ANOTHER LOUD CHORD... repeat. I don't know, maybe its my usual unfavorable view of them, but seriously, I really dislike their arrangements, to the point where it completely ruins the show for me. I got this same feeling about last year's show too. It puts me to sleep because I can't get into the same stuff being played over and over. But, remember this is just my opinion.
SCV was great, though! Enjoyed every second of their clip. I think this show has tons of potential and should be at least a contender for the top 4. Love the drumline. I really like all of the odd-metered stuff they play.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion, and certainly everybody's tastes are different. No doubt they'll be lots of people who will like this BD show.
But in my opinion, this is the singularly most boring and unappealing BD show both visually and musically in 35 years. The running to position, ( and stumbling into position by design ) and obtuse note playing of clattering disparate cords is sad to watch what this great Corps is now doing to itself, and by extension, this wondrous Drum Corps activity.
But maybe the DCI judges will love it, and it will score very well. And lots of fans will love it. And the kids will enjoy performing it. And that's fine too.
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And the NBA anecdote can be inserted here as well. The Cavaliers and Wizards must have been close in "quality" since they went all the way to the 6th game in their series but in one game Cleveland won by 30 and the very next game the Wizards won by 36! I guess this is the antithesis of the consistency of DCI corps... NBA players are obviously not as disciplined.
Since the inception of the NBA League in the 1940's, fully 50% of the NBA League Titles have been one by just 2 teams.
The Boston Celtics
The Los Angeles ( or Minneapolis ) Lakers
lots of consistency or "slotting " there.
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You mean like when Michael Jordan would take 3-4 steps with the rock while heading to the hoop and not get called for traveling?
Yes. And today, players like Paul Pierce, Kobe Bryant, etc get the same benefit with those same non traveling calls. The non stars simply don't get the same benefit as the " elite " players with the refs. It's been that way for years. NBA fans have gotten use to it as a matter of course.
Talk to ACC basketball teams fans and ask them if their teams get the same ref calls as the Duke Blue Devils ( perennial powers ) in that league.
Actually ..... don't ask (..... haha!)
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Not at all. Scouts are my favorite drum corp & I want them to do well. Based on all of the positive comments & reports regarding Madison the last few weeks, compared with the buzz (and unorganization) about the Scouts last year, I was hoping for a better start this year.
For what it's worth, except for the 2 or 3 Corps at the very top that will compete for the Title, I look at all the rest of the Corps as to which ones entertained me.... which ones I enjoyed the most ....in terms my criteria for their seasonal " success ".
For instance, If a Corps finishes ( say ) 5th, but a Corps in ( say ) 11th was enjoyed by me more, than for all intents and puposes, the 11th place Corps had a more " successful " year in my book than the 5th place Corps.
And I know I'm not alone in this evaluation as to which corps was more " successful " for that year.
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Well stated.
Have to disagree a bit on this.... the GE Visual caption is stiil scored on how well it is performed in UNISON. The corps, in effect as a whole, is judged as if it was " one ". When " oneness " is reached by the whole, it is considered superior in the performance compared to others whose performance lacked that uniformity visually.
The visual GE does not take into account ( or shouldn't ) the sheer numbers of performers, total or in sections. Some Corps will have 16 tuba's ( for instance ) and some will have half that number ( 8-10). The GE Visual component does not state as a criteria in any capacity the number of performers. However, it does score on the ability of the performers to perform visually in UNISON to maximize the visual general effect score.... ie as " a unit " ( one )
Falling down, irrespective of the number (s) of performers detracts DRAMATICALLY from that UNISON criteia incorporated into that Visual General Effect scoring caption. Visually, when members fall down.... twice.... and fall into the staging area unplanned.... the General Effect... visually of that overall performance is significantly effected.
Well, at least to this poster anyway.
But then again, I'm not a judge.
But I think I can understand a caption where uniformity of performance is an understood integral component of the judged criteria in that caption. And when performers fall into the staging area.... fall down..... that most definately effects the General Effect visually of that uniformity of the performance. " Oneness",ie performing in unison, as said above is impacted by unplanned and visually unappealing multiple falls in the performance by " the unit ". Now, whether that is appropriately scored that way or not by the judge (s) as an understood criterian in that caption is certainly open to debate and discussion.
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This is why I'm sooooo happy they're putting it on the Fan Network.
We're certainly getting our money's worth this year. BRAVO DCI
Agree. Kudos to DCI for Fan Network. It's a GREAT idea. I love the clips, interviews, live shows, etc..... and to go back, watch and listen to the DCI Corps from the past is sheer heaven imho.
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Thanks for your comments.... makes me scratch my head as I try and figure out this activity. So - are you saying that slotting exists at least in the beginning - until the appropriate position is "earned" and if so --- do you guys think this is fair?
Exactly. From a pure logical standpoint, a Corps that has 2 members fall down in a show, " visually " can not have a better " Visual General Effect " score. Not when other Corps close in that caption do not have members fall down during the performance. ( happened in Toledo last night )
If an ice skater does very well for most of their performance but falls down twice in the show, invariably the ice skater that might have had an easier routine, but does not fall down twice scores higher. We understand this. It's hard to see how Corps that have members fall down, or fall into the staging, can score " visually " higher in a " General Effect caption " when reasonable people can conclude that the "visual general effect" of such falls was unnerving and uncomfortable to view to say the least, and it's " effect " took away substantially from the overall " General Effect " visually of the performance.
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a good analogy to what you are saying might be the NBA.
there are some fans ( a minority of them ) that think NBA Basketball is fixed, and there have been an instance or two over the years ( like DCI ) where a ref ( or a judge ) were disbarred for cheating on the scores.
But in regards to alleged " slotting " the analogy gets probably a little more closer to the truth when it comes to the analogy.
NBA " star " players historically get the benefit of the doubt on foul calls. If they are driving to the basket and are barely touched by an opponent, that opponent more often times than not has a foul called on them, and the " star " player gets to go to the free throw line and shoot a couple of free throws.
But if it's NOT a " star " ( elite ) player driving with the ball to the basket, and is touched by an opponent.......' say it's a rookie with the ball, and the " star " guarding him..... the rookie is simply not going to get that foul call and get to the free throw line, ( unless he's almost knocked down ) as the " elite " player would
Is this " fixed " ?..... well, technically, no.
But does it make it harder for the " non star.... the non elite " to get the calls ? Yes.
Do most NBA fans know that the handful of" elite " players get the close calls in the games, perhaps with a little bit favoritism ? Yes
Do most long time DCI fans know the " elite Corps " get the " close calls" and a little bit of favoritism ? Yes.
Do most DCI fans however think that DCI is " fixed " ? No
Is there a little bit of " star power" pull built into the DCI scores and placements ? Especially early in the season ? Probably.
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There is a ton to be optomistic about with this show. If they can stay on track, this should easily be a top 7ish, 8ish, or 9ish show.
Go Scouts.....' here's hoping they DO stay on track and easily secure one of those 7th to 9th spots come Finals!
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That's really hanging it out there with a prediction......
When's the last time a corps that didn't finish first in semis won the championship? 1974?
You're right HockeyDad, it's a pretty safe bet.
Wish my prediction was way off though, and we had a shakup at the top from Semi's to Final's one of these years.
Gawd knows, we're long overdue for a shocker on Final's Night for the top spot.
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Ok, I'll bite....
6) Crown
7) Madison
8)Phantom
9)Blue Knights
10)Blue Stars
11)Glassmen
12) BAC
13) Colts
14)Crossmen
15) Academy
What are your predictions for 6-15, Coast Guard ?
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Not much information on these teams...........anyone?
This is true. Best sources are DCI website, these Corps individual websites, Fan Network, Field Pass.' Can usually get your fix from these sources on info and then discuss it all on here. Once the season starts, the show review section on here can be an additional source too.
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I think the Music from " The Hulk " would have been a good overall blend of Uni's, music, mystique, bravado, etc this year
New Uni's don't look that much Latin. Maybe the Guard uni's may have that Latin flair look however ?
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Well, these predictions could change from Tomorrow (or as i am writing this Tonights) Shows,
I do have Bloo Low, something in my gut tells me they will pleatu as they did last year, I do have Carolina Crown Higher than them..reason Because there show is easily a top 5 show (and from what i have heard and seen people are going to be blown back)
but as everyone knows here placement changes in this Sport (i think it is one) more than the shows do...one corps can get second to last one night then go and get 2nd place two shows later, it all depends..
My prediction is that despite an entire change of judging panels from Semi's to Finals at DCI Championships ( and level of performances no doubt ), that A) whatever Corps finish in 2nd and 3rd in the DCI Semi's will not win the DCI Championship outright and B) whatever Corps that finishes in 1st in the Semi's will either share or win outright the DCI Championship on Finals Night.
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Glassmen - Toledo, OH
The Cadets - Allentown, PA
Bluecoats - Canton, OH
Boston Crusaders - Boston, MA
Crossmen - San Antonio, TX
Troopers - Casper, WY
Pioneer - Milwaukee, WI
Corps competeing at Toldeo.
Here's my take:
1) Cadets
2) Bloo
3) BAC
4) Glassmen
5) X-men
6) Troopers
7) Pioneer
'Sounds about right off recent years. Maybe Bloo surprises and wins. It's early. Who knows.' Glad the Corps season is just about upon us !
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I listened to that Clip on Fan Network and it was cool.
They had the former Drum Major of the Crusaders being inducted into the Boston Crusaders Hall of Fame.
He apparently was Drum Major in 1958 or around that time.
Wow.... what tradition...... amazing resilience in this Corps
'Got a kick out of listening to all those Boston accents too on that clip.... haha
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What would the point of DCP be then?
Also, some info isn't necessarily released on corps sites, nor are all corps on the ball about being current on their sites (I haven't been to BaC's site, so I couldn't tell you if that's the case here....)
*shrug* guess that's all I have to say about that (this is one of those times that the desire to have a set of forrest gump emoticons is overwhelming)
Well, it seems to me that DCP provides a broader discussion format across the whole panorama of the Drum Corps movement, both Junior, Senior, Alumni, and historical Corps, etc.
A website on a Corps is geared principally to that Corps and it would seem to me to be able to possibly answer a specific question regarding that Corps uniform changes, music being played, etc. perhaps better than a forum such as DCP.
As a matter of fact, I went to DCI. org a few moments ago...clicked on Boston Crusaders, got their website, and without even registering, they mentioned Field Pass, and you could go there and actually listen to the Director talk about the music and the inspiration behind it, and even hear a small clip from a music piece they apparently will be playing this year . This would give a Drum Corps fan more than probably many DCP's would be expected to know re the music and the inspiration behind the music and so forth.
Nothing against DCP, as I would not be on here if I did not see it's broad value. But if I wanted to know about a Corps music selection and the inspiration behind it, and maybe hear a clip of it, I'd go to that Corps website first to get that info. But maybe that's just me. Now if the question was... " what do you THINK of the music ?" or " what do you THINK of the uniforms" ?, then by all means it seems to me that this is where DCP has the opportunity to provide it's most benefit and value with Drum Corps fans.
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Correct me If I'm wrong as I'm new on here, but couldn't you go to their website to get info, ie uniforms, music being played this year or whatnot ?
It seems to me that if I had a question or two of a Corps that perhaps if I went to the Corps website, registered and then posed my question(s) there, that somebody in the know on there would be able to assist me with my question(s). Most Corps I'd imagine would be only too happy to provide you info if it was for public consumption. They'd probably enjoy hearing of your support and interest in their Corps.
Just my 2 cents worth anyway.
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Yes, Crossmen 2005.
I really enjoyed the music in that show. One of my favorites, and I really didn't care where they finished. That show entertained me, so in my book
it was an outstanding season for them.
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I see no overt harm in instituting such a national list. So 'd be in favor of trying it out anyway.
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So how about if DCI collected the contact information for every single auditionee (or at least had the corps use a standard spreadsheet that they submitted), then made that information available internally to every DCI World and Open Class corps. Maybe set a rule that kids offered contracts or put on "call-back" notice are removed from each list. Then, if a corps has an opening, or maybe an Open Class corps is having trouble getting kids to come out, there's a ready-made national list that they could use to find local talent.
In addition, it would also give DCI a boost to their mailing / marketing and *alumni* lists, as well as being fairly easy to implement and execute.
Mike
Sounds good. Playing the Devils Advocate for just a moment, wouldn't such a system only entrench ( even more ) the top Corps getting the cream of the crop in such a national data base of available national talent. If a kid ( for instance ) gets a call from The Cadets and The Crossmen, where is he likely headed ?
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Who pays the service fees for this " talent scout " ?
I can't see Corps like The Cadets and Blue Devils just to name a few needing a service like this, when they literally have multiple talented kids they are turning away as it is with so few spots open each year.
That leaves the mid level or lower level Corps. These Corps are strapped for revenue relative to the so called elite corps as it is. And also.... why would a Band Director want to pay a Talent Scout a service fee to march a particular Corps, when the Bands are usually strapped for cash as well.
DCI probably won't pay for such a fee, it seems to me as it could be seen later as a conflict of interest and opens the door to influence peddling and favoritism, and Gawd knows they ALREADY have some folks out there trying to beat them over the head on that. Thus, I just don't see how it could work. But maybe I'm missing something here too.
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