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    drill vs. choreography in drum corps shows, 2 questions

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    6 minutes ago, Incognito365 said:

    I would love to get a dancers point of view on the body choreo that is done in corps these days being called dance and their thoughts on the members being able to move their bodies as dancers would. I think they might disagree across the board. 

    You might be right. But when I look at the staff of the groups, there are several  well known dancers and choreographers on them. Like Broadway and Grammy/Tony award winning well known. SCV is one of them. I’d gather those groups probably do it about as well as any none life long trained dancer can do it. These kids now seem to have that training when they show up, it’s crazy. I know BD has separate  movment/dance auditions before kids are even given a spot. I never would have made it if I had to dance/choreo like that. 

    drill vs. choreography in drum corps shows, 2 questions

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    11 minutes ago, PamahoNow said:

    I'd also guess  that most of the corps have had a lot of experience marching in HS and/or College.  And far fewer have had dance training.

    That’s what I think people misjudge at this level The top hornlines and drumlines can move like dancers and are getting that training lots of places these days. That’s easily as hard, or harder to do while playing than dressing a curvilinear form for the 1,000 time since high school band. Those on here that are familiar with the WGI world, whether you like it or not, recognize the level of difficulty in movement training. Doing a bug squasher or lunging to cover a form doesn’t  hold a candle to what the world class groups are being asked to do now with choreography and dance. If you don’t dance or move well, you don’t make a top 6 hornline anymore, fact.

    It’s not my cup of tea either, but I know for sure I couldn’t do any of that choreo and play, these days. March and play was never a problem!

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    drill vs. choreography in drum corps shows, 2 questions

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    Great topic for debate!! I’m going to use Crown and SCV for my comparison. Crown is doing extremely fast and difficult drill, ala Cadets during Sacktig days. SCV is doing more minimal drill, but WGI World Class level choreo, while also playing a challenging music book. What one lacks in drill demand and speed, they make up for with difficult choreography and challenging physical layering. Those that say drill is “harder” and choreo is “standing” just is not either seeing what these kids are doing or are just not willing to acknowledge that you don’t have to do hard drill to create demand and content within a drumcorps show. I’d say SCV is more in line with what is “in now” versus Crown making the statement that they want to be successful with an older formula. I love that they are both great and on opposite sides of the fence and wish we could put our homer biases aside to look at what demand and content really means in 2019 DCI. We all like what we like, but saying that choreo is easier than drill is simply discrediting the entire role  of the pageantry arts as it’s moved forward, developed and changed in the last 10 years. To each his own and we can let the experts decide who is “subjectively better” at this point. It’s only going to change more in the coming years! 

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    Carolina Crown 2019

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    Just now, queenanne_1536 said:

    I want Crown to win, because that’s the direction I want the activity to head it. It’s so thrilling watching them on high camera. It’s just amazing. I miss drill like that. I miss drill while playing like that. It’s unfortunate, but I think it’s going to a challenge for them to medal. If SCV sweeps them in music, then it will certainly be over. 

    I agree. If they can get the GE worked out, they’ll be high enough in music by the end. 1-4 could end up flipping nightly finals week. Kind of like 2015

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    Carolina Crown 2019

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    When you are winning almost all subcaptions against teams in your tier, it’s still pretty convincing. DeKalb is not a good example. It’s top tier versus one next tier and several lower. Apples and oranges. If SCV beats Crown in all music captions, that’s Crowns bread and butter. They won’t pass them until that happens, which could be next show, who knows?

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    Memphis, TN - Saturday, July 13, 2019

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    1 minute ago, Glenn426 said:

    Looking at the panel I start to lock into some of the tenured judges that you know will be there Finals Week and have the clout to set standards.

     

    Nola Jones

    SCV 17.5

    Crown 17.4

    BAC 17.3

    AS a GE judge that is a virtual Tie. ###### that BAC didnt give her a better read because she could've shaked things up tonight.. 

     

    The content numbers bode well for SCV. Crown is outplaying their rep and SCV has room to clean and get performance up. It’s only one judge opinion, but It’s a great spot in those GE captions. I’m sure no one is sleeping on the defending champions pulling it together and being there at th end again. This design team, staff and members are too good to fade away so quickly.

    Memphis, TN - Saturday, July 13, 2019

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    Just now, Musicman1084 said:

    I've always wondered how we've gone all these years without having a crown morph into a crown a la Star's cross morphing into a cross.

    I liked the upside down one from the INFERNO show and then to the regular way. That was actually a cool way to have it makes sense. Im looking forward to the summer they don't do a Crown set and play a Bb major chord at end of show. Now THAT would be something new! Lol. 

    Santa Clara Vanguard 2019

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    23 minutes ago, cybersnyder said:

    I thought for sure when I saw the poles that the ending would have the mellophones climbing the poles and doing a suspended thing like last year, but in three dimensions. Has anything changed with the ending over the past several weeks? It seemed like a placeholder for something big yet to come.

    If it’s like last year, you won’t see the ending until Murfreesboro or Atlanta. I’m sure whatever is planned will be epic!

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    Ankeny, IA - Wednesday, July 10, 2019

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    2 minutes ago, bluesman said:

    It does seem to the case that the corps that are still doing drill are not being rewarded for the effort.  I'm sure I'll get the lecture about how the stationary body movements that we now see so much of are just as demanding as performing drills while playing.  If a corps isn't being rewarded for a demanding drill why bother doing it at all. I guess doing drill interfered with the corps members important job of pushing, dragging or shoving props around.

     

    Which also means not playing or doing work while pushing the props. Not sure where that is on the sheets under “content”..

    Ankeny, IA - Wednesday, July 10, 2019

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    Posted · Edited by trumpetcam

    I honestly think Crown is fantastic and top 3 level for sure, but they are zigging when everyone else is zagging (or staging). Just not sure they will ever get the credit for doing that much drill in 2019. Feels odd saying that, but I just think it’s true of where the activity is now. It’s always been about “playing the game” competitively, and not sure they are playing it like everyone else lately. 

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