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On 1/21/2019 at 4:53 PM, karuna said:
Well sure it was where they should be visually but when you need a mic to hear them, is that good staging? Because you're really ignoring where they should be staged. It's a case of visual design just eliminating musical considerations.
The point I'm making is that if you need mics on brass instruments because otherwise they can't be heard, is that really good staging? They mic'd their tubas for god sakes. Good staging acoustically meant putting the right instruments in the right place at the right time to make sure they were heard. Now you can completely ignore that -- just give the brass players mics and IEMs and they can be "anywhere". Not sure that's really step forward. But I'm going way off topic.
Haha. So you do realize they mic'd them so they COULD put them where they wanted and could be heard? Perhaps they wanted the audience to hear multiple lines versus one that's important and the rest are secondary. Mic'ing is not always done to make it easier, but sometimes to ACTUALLY make it more sophisticated. Assuming its always done to make it easier means you definitely haven't listened closely to either of the past two years versions of the SCV music book.
The mic'd tuba parts in 2018 are as intricate as anything else the hornline proper is playing at the end of the show. Unless you stage them on the front sideline (which would make no sense) then mic'ing them was a brilliant way to blend the sound/texture and NOT have to overblow the whole ensemble to do it (like many other groups do). Not every designer in the activity is looking for the easy way to get points, sometimes its about being creative and just a little outside of the box. There is no need to to try and fool the fans and judges when you clearly have the performers, teachers and design to pull it off. It's a design choice, and its not going away anytime soon.
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10 minutes ago, trumpetcam said:
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That's funny. Do we really need sledgehammers in drum corps?? I mean, its just brass playing, like blowing air in a piece of metal.. I'm all for great music, but perhaps we take ourselves just a LITTLE BIT too seriously in DCI when we need sledgehammers to carry around to warmups for "shattering records". can you imagine any professional ensemble doing this? lol. I bet a corps like SCV doesn't carry stuff like this around all summer, and they seemed to do pretty well.. Its too bad someone stole the hammer, but the whole premise is just too silly.. To each his own I guess.
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On 7/19/2018 at 1:14 PM, BRASSO said:
Correct. Top 6 Corps all have large ageout numbers most seasons.. and medals winning Corps oftentimes have even more. SCV had 65 ageouts last season.. Bluecoats as well. BD always has either lage ageouts, or marchers still age eligible, but decide not to return ( as they won a ring ). Corps in the TOP 6 generally are considered what is termed " Destination Corps ", not " Stepping Stone " or " Feeding Corps ". Top 6 Corps generally receive older and experienced marchers influx each off season from other lower tier DCI Corps, irrespective of the age outs they had the previous season. Crown is a well established Top 6 Drum Corps with an outstanding reputation for brass line quality. As such, it has no issues typically in drawing outstanding older and experienced brass auditioneers to their camps each season to fill their age out positions in Brass. Thus, if its being reported that Crown's 2018 brass line is a young brass line and/ or has a " young trumpet section", that appears a bit unusual for Carolina Crown to go out this season with allegedly young brass marchers on the whole or in their trumpet section. That said, even if they are younger than Crown is accustomed most seasons, they still play very well, imo
Totally agree with you, BRASSO. I also think its a bit of a copout at times to use that as an excuse. Crown has had hornlines this young and won Ott trophies several times. How do we know the other top corps aren't just as young? Maybe SCV and BLOO are younger this year, but just achieving at a higher level right now. I think at some point, you don't make excuses just because you aren't winning and I KNOW Matt and that brass team would never do that. It discredits the success of other groups which is important to remember. Age is relative; its about the design, the book, making changes to the book and the execution of the performers. The whole 'oh they are younger this year, thats why they aren't winning " is a BS argument that gets used way too often in this activity. There are 3 weeks left, anyone can still win any caption, especially including Crown in brass.
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9 minutes ago, NCWVUFAN said:
Yeah, I think SCV is good, just not the show design level that Bloo has going, they fix perc problems Bloo will be right there in aug.
I think BLOO has a larger hill than you think. Down 1.3 and just improving percussion wont raise score that much and getting 1st in one caption, even GE music, may not bode well. Id be more worried about 3rd place and 4th place ordinals right now. Granted, its early for sure, but I'd also have to kindly disagree with show design. I think SCV is the most complete package top to bottom, visually and musically. No real weaknesses and also not close to clean yet.
IMO, BLOO and SCV two best shows with most upside. But we know BD closes like no other. Going to be a fun last 3 weeks!!
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Wow. SCV won all music captions, that's a great sign for them! 1st in Brass, good for them!!
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I would love to be at this show tonight. After the news today, I bet they will rally and we will see a very emotional and energized performance from these kids. Shows you how special our drum corps family really is when we support each other in tough times. They will be fine and most important. SO glad the driver was not hurt. You can get new equipment but you can't replace people and lives. Stay safe out there!
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Just now, 2000Cadet said:
Maybe the judge just called it like he heard it.
Yep. Theres a big difference in ensemble brass sound and a scored sampling of 15-20 players over the course of a 12 minute show. They have literally nothing in common much of the time. For better or worse, that how we get our High Brass Champion in todays DCI. The 'good old days' combined Ensemble Brass and Field Brass. You get a real read up top and the sampling. Seems much more balanced for awarding best brass line than who sounds great 2 feet away from the bell. What other world do we ever judge like this? lol. I miss those days..
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The flip side is a corps like OC, who has literally gained 2 points in two weeks. Its the Pioneer syndrome, top goes up, middle a little, bottom part either drops nightly or goes up and down all season. I know how frustrating that must be for those groups when we get tweaked if any top group goes down at all!
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4 minutes ago, Corpfan said:
And Crown wins with an 87.45. This is getting interesting!!
posted from the DrumScorps app
This why its so hard to compare scores. BLOO got an 87.5 tonight, but were over a full point above Crown last night. We wont know where Crown really fits again until Houston and SA. The music side is definitely up there to compete at the top. Gotta get the visual and effect scores up.
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14 minutes ago, shimiconga said:
- Blue Devils
- Blue Coats
- Cavilers
- Boston Crusaders
- Carolina Crown
- Cadets
posted from the DrumScorps app
Im with you, I'll even go for some scores..
BD 86.8
BLOO 86.45
Cavaliers 85.5
Boston 85.35
Crown 85.25
Cadets 83.8
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Lets try this..
1979 Spirit
1982 Blue Devils
1983 Madison Scouts
1986 Blue Devils
1987 SCV
1988 Bue Devils
1993 Phantom Regiment
1996 Phantom Regiment
2004 Cavaliers
2008 Phantom Regiment
2013 Carolina Crown
2014 Blue Devils
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35 minutes ago, kbbandman said:
I'm sure they have something "in the bag". As mentioned previously, their show is already running pretty long, so some have suggested that they might need to convert the beginning to a pre-show in order to add more to the ending. As I watched the video from the Rose Bowl, there seems to be a spot about 1'20" in that could work for the announcement. It will be interesting to see what the icing on the cake turns out to be.
I think its been said a few times on here, but the new DCI rules don't have a time limit on the shows now. There is no preshow, so unless SCV does a 17 minute show, they wont have worry about going over. Musically, I think if you listen to the original ending, its probably going to only add another 15-20 seconds to the show. I'm sure, however, that MG will do something magical at the end of the show with his bag of tricks. I'd also bet on the new ending after SA, like most groups do nowadays.
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1 hour ago, queenanne_1536 said:
They've had two days of rehearsal so i wonder if we will see the full closer tonight.
I'm guessing like most years, you will see the closer being finished after SA going into Atlanta. That week is usually primo "2nd season ending" time for many of the top groups.
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15 minutes ago, Dpsouthern81 said:
Ok I spent too much at the souvie booths
The kids in the corps thank you... Now they can all eat breakfast tomorrow! lol.
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7 minutes ago, oldbandguy said:
Would I trade some GE points for some higher PERC points..........................................................NO
No truer words spoken.. Its all about the GE.
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3 minutes ago, dureau said:
The judging in this show sucked. Especially the percussion judge. Sickening scores
Well the scores don't matter, it's about the spreads. Cavies and BD only .1 apart in drums, that's a GREAT sign for the Green Machine. Read it for what it is this time of year. First shows for many judges usually mean lower scores in their caption than everyone else. It will be fine and Cavies percussion is a top 3 group this year!
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15 minutes ago, johnpendell said:
Can someone explain what exactly music analysis means? Is it basically all facets (brass, pit, percussion) put into one factor and judged accordingly to the content and its execution? If that’s the case, how do corps switch back and forth if there’s really no major changes to the overall content? Would that then rely solely on execution for these numbers to switch?
The cleaner the show, the more the content becomes realized, thus a higher score on both sides of the sheet. So if you have a great run, both might be higher. A bad run, one or both might be lower or flipped. If a judge thinks the corps is outplaying their written book, then you get a profile score (right side higher than left side). Remember, just because the book is there doesn't mean credit is given until its clean and readable at a level comparable to the other corps in their neighborhood. Plus the more a judge gets to hear the show, the more he/she can decipher the layers of the book. Once we get to August and judges have seen each show numerous times, then you get a much more clear picture of who is considered to have the better books and which groups are performing those the best from an analysis perspective. Hope that helps, John!
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3 minutes ago, msumello said:
And with tonight's score we see why Crowns' brass just had a bad run the other night...
Or a different judge sampling 15 different players..
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2 minutes ago, Incognito365 said:
I'm sorry, but where did I say anything about Brass?
Sorry, I tried to quote from your quote and it was left off. My apology!
You did mention them getting clean and I’m still not sure that it will matter in the end.
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1 minute ago, karuna said:
Klesch's arranging style is very transparent. It's easy to hear errors but #### it's impressive when it's all clean. I've always thought Bloo's brass gets overlooked by many. Along with BD IMO the 3 best lines in DCI year after year. As for SCV, I haven't heard them live yet. Last year the small ensemble was #### good. The rest of the line -- who could tell?
Agreed. The judges that hear denser Harmony and understand a variety of style challenges know how good Bloo plays. A lot of parity in judging ears as well, so no surprise it’s back and forth all season. Crown can “out clear” everyone when clean, but it’s whether they gets more credit than what BLOO, SCV or BD are doing this year that is the guessing game.
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22 minutes ago, Incognito365 said:
Once Crown starts cleaning I think they'll climb quick. They're considerably dirtier than Boston, but continue to outscore them by a hair. Once they clean and get consistent, this show will be hard to beat.
Always funny that when Crown loses brass, they MUST have had an off night.. Or maybe there are other lines as good, or BETTER than them this season? Let’s give credit where it’s due, they aren’t the only great hornline in DCI after all. Heard BLOO and SCV lately?? I love me some Crown, but I expect a lot of brass caption flipping is going to happen the rest of the season. Not sure this show can pull into the top 3 as strong as SCV, BLOO and BD are already and NONE of them are clean yet.
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22 minutes ago, dureau said:
It’s anazing to me how many of you overlook the Cavies. Cavies are second right now in guard and have placed very high in percussion. And they are sitting right now within striking distance of everyone above them. They jumped 3 points in their last performance. Not to mention they are sitting in 2nd plAce general effect visual tied with BD.
This season you can throw out all the past few years stats because any one of 7 can very well end up in the top 3.
And yes I know some of you will think I’m just a die hard Cavies fan . I am, but I also know what the motivation factor is this year and it’s goung to show up in Indy. It’s going to be a fun year
I think you have a great point. Cavies book and design is strong and may have the most upside in the current design to move up. We all know BD can and will make the changes to be there at the end as well. In terms of motivation, however, I don’t think anyone has the same level as SCV, who is almost 20 years removed from their last championship and clearly has the fire this season and design to match. My guy says it’s still BD and SCV, with BLOO right there, but a hot Crown, Cavies and/or Boston could also upset the whole thing! Gonna be interesting..
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Posted · Edited by trumpetcam
I didn't realize "Laura" was unrecognizable music.. Its only one of the most recognizable melodies in jazz of all time and it was the ENTIRE ballad.. Or La Suerte.. or...
I do suppose familiarity is all relative to each of our specific backgrounds.. City of Glass is certainly not for everyone! LOL