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1 hour ago, BigW said:
Thank you. No need to apologize to me. The drift from contemporary Drum Corps World articles at the time about the corps stated what I stated.
The point is still, overzealous corps administration still caused serious issues. Did they indirectly cause issues with retention, or was it simply that trying to keep kids from migrating to the Crossmen and Cadets was too much?
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21 hours ago, BigW said:
The first huge case study of this at the DCI level was the Circle K sponsorship of Suncoast Sound. They wanted the corps to so some performance for them and they felt rehearsal for the next contest was more important, so they blew them off and lost that sponsorship. That was their "jump the shark" moment.
Another little-known incident was a small NJ corps back in the early 80's known as Fantasia III. They got a Burger King sponsorship and flew their flag as part of the Main Guard as part of the deal. the DCE competitors grumbled, whinged and forced them to stop that. The corps pretty much died after losing that money. And, it also discouraged anyone else from seeking those kinds of connections. Stick to Bingo and raffles...
It's rare that you get a huge sponsor in any activity that throws out a lot of cash and expects nothing in return. In Formula One when cigarette money was being thrown around like drunken sailors on liberty to teams, one of them was approached by FedEx for a major sponsorship and part of the deal would have been some tie-ins and events. The team told them, "No thank you" because they could get the same out of Big Tobacco with no strings attached and the tie ins were too much work. Sounds familiar to this!
I marched in Fantasia III, the corps was never sponsored by the Burger King Company. A local NJ franchisee hired the corps to play at a small amount of gigs for a few $ and free food. A few overzealous administrators decided to paint the BK logo on the back door of the truck and announce we were sponsored by BK. One day by chance a corporate executive from the Burger King company saw the truck, found the owners and promptly contacted the administration to immediately remove the logo and cease and desist any claim of sponsorship with the BK company, that was in 1979, the corps folded in 1983.
The corps ran a successful bingo game every week, ran 2 large Christmas tree lots every holiday, fundraised and marched many parade's and ran a successful DCE show every June to raise money. It was member retention that did the corps in.
You need to check your sources on the history of Fantasia III since you couldn’t be farther from the truth.sorry
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On 5/14/2020 at 10:34 AM, stldrmn1 said:
Away from the East Coast parades are not a revenue stream open to DCA Corps. For decades now, many cities charge the Units a prohibitive fee to march in a parade.
Just curious, what do parades pay way out there ?
Regards, STLDRMN1
A corps can earn $3500 and up per parade in the NY metro area. When I was the director of Bush I've been payed as much as $6000 for a parade.
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4 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said:
the smart ones should have some type of insurance to protect them in the event of a cancellation
I don't believe any insurance covers any losses due to "Virus". I literally spoke to a friend today who is an insurance agent AND a retired corps director and this is what he told me when I asked.
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2 hours ago, Roos_Wayne said:
Does anyone know if the 07/29/2020 "Drum Corps: an American Tradition" in "TBD:PA/NJ" is a Cadets-sponsored event? If so is there a vague timetable of when the location might be announced? Looks like a good line-up.
I've heard from someone who would know ( Surf admin) that the Surf has taken over a Cadet show, this may be the one and it quite possibly will be at Rowan in New Jersey.
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21 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said:
is there a way to boot them out?
Nope
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1 hour ago, Fred Windish said:
So sorry to hear this, Jay. I could always tell your heart was really into the organization. Maybe something will change.
The board of directors are holding the corps hostage because of their own incompetence and mismanagement, So sad a corps with such a rich history is going through such a mess. There is a group trying to step up and save the corps and find a solution that will work for both groups but the present board of directors won't budge. Time is running out FAST.
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Not a rumor, It's true.
Not looking good at this time.
Very sad.
J
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Why DCA didn't make one more corps go to Connecticut is beyond me. 5 in PA, 3 in CT. Not smart.
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1 hour ago, JimF-LowBari said:
And if one of the top 10 corps goes inactive then there are 9 member corps on the board I take it? Had same thing in 1977 when Rochester Phoenix went inactive. Number 11 corps at DCA year before did not become a member corps.
No, the next corps in line moves up.
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2 minutes ago, N.E. Brigand said:
So if the ten highest scoring corps in Prelims control DCA, and the administration ultimately reports to them, as you indicate...
And eight corps were trying to leave DCA last January, as Terri has been told...
And there were 19 corps in DCA Prelims in 2018...
But one of those corps (Cadence) was from England and another (C2) announced last fall that they were shutting down...
And the eight renegade corps weren't the corps that control DCA, as Terri believes to be the case...
Then the ten corps in charge of DCA were: Buccaneers, CV, Fusion, Sabers, Cabs, Bush, CT, Hurcs, Gold, and Govies.
And that leaves only seven corps who could have been trying to break away: Sunrisers, Skyliners, Chops, Knights, Thunderbirds, Regiment, and Saints.
And three of those corps are inactive this year.
Like I said, it's false to believe 8 corps wanted to break away from DCA, the math doesn't work. Though I have been out from DCA meetings for a year and a half, I know and speak to MANY corps directors and DCA administrators on a very regular basis, The statement that corps were threatening to join DCI over DCA is false. I was a director for over 27 years and an executive director for 3 years, I have 6 titles , 5 as director and 1 undefeated season and I'm going in the WDCHF in two weeks, I would have heard of any talk of a mass exodus if there was one.
J
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2 minutes ago, N.E. Brigand said:
Nope to which part? Am I wrong in my understanding that DCA is, like DCI, ultimately under the control of the corps?
And in past years, it's been reported here that DCA's controlling members are the ten corps with the highest scores in Prelims (who also appeared in at least one other DCA show during the season). Is that not true?
The member corps are the "board" of DCA, the executive committee works for the DCA board, the DCA is under control of the corps.
The member corps are the 10 highest scoring corps in PRELIMS regardless of what class they are in.
I was a DCA director for over 27 years, I helped write most of these rules.
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2 hours ago, Terri Schehr said:
No, it’s not.
One of the reasons DCA hasn’t committed to Williamsport for 20 - 21 is that they are requiring ten corps to commit for the next two years.
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1 hour ago, Terri Schehr said:
I heard from a little bird that there were eight corps that were considering breaking away from DCA, do DCI shows and begin and end their seasons at the same time as DCI. I guess DCA got wind of it from someone and they put the kibosh on that. They told DCI to not speak with individual corps and only do business through them. And they also said that the only way you could do an all-age show in Indy DCI week was if you also attended DCA championships in Williamsport, too. Which defeated the purpose of going to DCI and ending the season early in the first place.
This is totally false, totally false.
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1 hour ago, Fran Haring said:
Unless the rule has changed, I believe it's a corps' highest score of the season, regardless of when and where that occurs.
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2 hours ago, Fran Haring said:
Definitely with you on the restaurants... we try to look for local places whenever possible. Irish/English pubs, historic taverns, seafood, German, family restaurants, local-hangout dives and burger/BBQ joints. Or some sort of cuisine we haven't tried but want to. Sometimes a hit, sometimes a miss.
Several times, our trips have turned into detours... we start out going to one place, and then find other stuff along the way, coming or going. LOL. A couple of years ago on our way home from Williamsburg VA, we saw a sign for "George Washington Birthplace." 20 miles or so down the road. So off we went. We thought it might be a small visitors' center, maybe a statue or plaque... turned into an extended visit at a rather large property, including a tour of the restored/re-created buildings on site.
And... I know this might sound weird... but Brenda and I love looking through old cemeteries. Interesting history. And every now and then, a locally well-known or nationally-famous/notorious person buried there.
So now the Kingston thread has morphed from Lobster Mac and Cheese, Steamed onions , hot dogs, Louie's burger joint and now cemeteries, pool halls and salvage shops! 😅
Wow!
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Oh, And Louie's is THE PLACE for burgers!
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3 minutes ago, Fran Haring said:
I'm not big on raw onions, unless they're diced on a good chili dog.
I'll take the steamed or grilled onions any day!
BTW, had a killer dog last Monday at Super Duper Weenie in Fairfield. The Dixie Dog... chili and cole slaw. Outstanding.
We were on our way back from the Providence area to visit Brenda's sons. Super Duper was our backup lunch plan, since Louis Lunch is closed on Mondays. LOL.
Super Duper is GREAT! Haven't braved the traffic on 95 to get one in a LOOOONNNG time. What should be a 10 minute drive would take about and hour these days, And no matter how good the dogs are, they aren't worth an hour in traffic!
Can you believe it's you and I talking about onions and hot dogs on a Kingston Show thread? Kingston was one of those special shows on the schedule , corps started making their "moves" at Kingston and here we are, talking about food.
Makes you wonder
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52 minutes ago, Fran Haring said:
Glad it's underway. I agree... given the weather conditions, get on with the competition and scrap the chit-chat.
So Fran, Do you like raw onions or steamed onions on your burgers? I'm partial to steamed onions diced in little pieces like the ones at White Castle, just a tad of ketchup, not too much and I have the perfect burger.
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15 minutes ago, Fran Haring said:
I'm with you on this.
Lobster with just a bit of drawn butter... no need to mess with anything else.
Hey... maybe a food thread will be more fun!!!
A food thread will most certainly be more interesting than the show, that's for sure!
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29 minutes ago, Fran Haring said:
Anyone who is there, or anyone at home with nothing to do, feel free to chime in here with some thoughts if you have a chance.
To keep the crickets company.
I think Lobster Mac and Cheese is overrated, Lobster shouldn't be smothered in cheap cheese, it's delicious on its own.
Those are my thoughts for today.
Jay
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5 minutes ago, GeneralTsoChicken said:
These kids are awesome.
These adults should be ashamed of themselves.
Every day that Rick doesn't make it known that everyone is gone is a missed recruiting opportunity for next season.
Shouldn't "Rick" be the first to go? He hires the staff Im guessing??? He keeps his job when he has hired so poorly for so long?
Doesnt sound right to me, A clean slate is needed from the top on down to fix this corps, IMO.
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1 hour ago, Fran Haring said:
I remember you guys hustling off the buses, in street clothes, to do that Friday night concert. Not an easy trip down, with the all-day rain.
We were late because we had a blown bus tire a few hours outside of WS, we would have been on time if not for that. We did the gig in street clothes and hung over from the festivities which started at 5 am that morning🍺when we left Ridgefield Park NJ.
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5 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:
The Whole Winston Salem experiment in 2005 was to broaden that base. yes it rained before the show was to start, but $40+ tickets prices for 6 corps in a market no one knew about DCA....what did they expect? They got maybe 3000 people in a mid size NCAA stadium that made the crowd look tiny. Yeah I tied it into a vacation and went, but who made money on it? I doubt anyone, especially since it hasn't been tried again.
Oh and across the street at the arena, a monster truck show drew 13,000 people.
I can say the Bushwackers made a pile of money going to WS in 2005. Our bus bill was payed by the committee plus we received a healthy paycheck on top of it not to mention the member fee collected for a 3 day trip that included all their meals. A fun trip for sure and very lucrative for the corps bank account.The only downer was the "Evil" sponsor of the LMS on Friday night "forgot" to pay the corps their fee for performing, It was months until the corps got their promised fee, sometime late fall of 2005.
A memorable trip down south for a Jersey corps, good times!
J
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A Great Article on The Cadets
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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2 DCI finalist corps ( Bayonne and Cadets) literally minutes away + Crossmen an hour away lead the talented members to greener pastures. This was what folded the corps.