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2 hours ago, greg_orangecounty said:
We had minors march in our alumni corps in 2008. At least a half-dozen, or so. They were adorable and good.
My ex-wife (FH) and I (baritone) marched KAC for the duration and we have a pic of our kid with a soprano standing in the rehearsal horn arc next to his mom; he was only 6 at the time and wanted to be out there with his parents so bad. We kicked around the idea of asking Dave & Joe to put him in the US flag unit in a little Kmen uniform since he was still very new to high brass but he didn’t have the hang of body control yet.
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2 hours ago, Geneva said:
Is this really the desired remedy sought after by the plaintiff?!
We don’t know and that is the plaintiff’s business. However, having stood in that person’s shoes when I was 12 years old outlining to detectives in awful detail what took place, then having the perp (a martial arts instructor) show up at my front door several months afterward unannounced and relive those “not at all charming memories” I can say there are occasions where you want the person or party responsible DEAD. It’s been almost 50 years, and I am totally okay with the fact that that person is DEAD. Eff forgiveness.
“Sometimes you don’t have enough rocks.” —- Forrest Gump
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47 minutes ago, JimF-LowBari said:
What insurance from the time of the incident would cover harassment or abuse claims? Not an insurance expert but if they have policy from a different company…..🤷🏻
If the company offers it, it is usually a “buyback” coverage under a separate Abuse or Molestation form and can carry a separate sub-limit from the underlying General Liability limits. I have seen A&M forms where coverage for defense is *inside* the limit, which drastically reduces the amount available in the event of a judgement.
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1 hour ago, Galen said:
Agreed- even the press release is riddled with gaslighting and victim-blaming.
I noticed that as well….”per usual”.
The defense & coverage denial by the insurer circa the ‘82 policy term was not at all surprising (source: I have a few decades’ experience in commercial insurance.)
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9 hours ago, OhioBoy_99 said:
The people have spoken and we our down to our final 4 corps:
2016 Blue Devils
1985 Santa Clara Vanguard
1989 Phantom Regiment
1998 Santa Clara Vanguard
Check out the bracket in the original post and voting link is below or at the top as well!
I’m just astounded my age-out corps made this list at all; usually SCV ‘87 overshadows SCV ‘85. Then again, SCV had a lot of 2nds to choose from back then (82, 85-88). 😶🌫️
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23 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said:
I know Bob Callahan and Mitch Hagopian were there. But that was 1981. I think. The years all go together after a while.
Bob C marched ‘81 and was on our visual staff in ‘84; great guy.
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I the honor of marching with some 78-82 GM hornline vets in SCV ‘84 (their age out year); they got to do “one more time with Salzman” and get him his first Ott Trophy. Andy (our head DM) was incredible at vocal commands.
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3 hours ago, TOC said:
Ahhh, the old catch all by many activities, towns, cities, states, nations, etc.
I hope I’m not detecting a dry sense of “oh that wasn’t real”….I lost a friend of mine to C19 at the very front end of it; 5 days from hospital admission to his passing (his son went on to march Pacific Crest.) My son and I could not be in the same hospital room as my grandmother due to C19 protocols in place as she passed from a head injury she incurred when she fell; we had to get her through the triage hospital tents set up in the parking lot just to get her in there.
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“Ceramophone…now with rrrich Corrrinthian leatherrr…..”
Wouldn’t you rather drive a Ceramophone?
Ozempic presents…“A Ceramophone Christmas” 🎄
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I read the title of this thread and before I opened it I thought, “In other words, hornline vs. color guard.”
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8 hours ago, Richard Lesher said:
Funny you say that. SCV sort of did the same thing with drumming up support for members going to other corps in 2023. If one wanted to support a kid at a different corps it was easy to get that information via the alumni association via SCV history of members.
It was creepy as hell, all these SCV senior citizens going around supporting "SCV alumni" that went to other corps (my take is, welp, that's their home now, not SCV) trying to keep the "SCV family" going.
Good Lord....
Fellow brass alum / SCV senior citizen (or “Uncle”, as locals call us elders here in Hawaii) from the GR era as well here…I will respectfully disagree as I did not see it that way at all. I heard of one brass performer who marched Nirvana 2022 (and hence, is an alum) but was affected by the 2023 inactivity after being contracted; this was not via some “seedy search” done in the wee hours of the night but via their former band director (with whom I marched) who posted it on their FB page * with the performer’s approval *. Since my son (also an alum) had already aged out in 2021 I opted to sponsor that performer for Crown ‘23 not for “SCV family sake” but for the chance they might win the Ott as I did, and they were very successful.
Not everything has nefarious overtones.
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10 hours ago, gbass598 said:
For all the people who complain drum corps ain't what it used to be, that sure was a lot of "dancing" during that show for 1984.
Great musicianship back then too.
What you’re seeing is a dramatically watered down version of Dave Owens’ (RIP) original vision that had the hornline doing an intricate dance routine with the (at the time) all-female guard. At one of our Spring ‘84 camps we cleared out the rehearsal hall until just the wall-mounted mirrors remained and a professional dance choreographer from San Francisco came in and had us remove our shoes. We were complete dance & movement noobies, and for the next few hours we got a crash course. Toward the end a number of us with better body control were beginning to grasp the choreographer’s teachings but some of the physically larger individuals had challenges. In retrospect I wish we had stuck with the idea perhaps with a smaller dedicated “dancing hornline troupe”, as those with the body control showed real promise. Whatever the case, what Dave had in mind would have far exceeded what Star ‘93 did. This was also a huge change for Gail too as previously his hornlines had been all-male and very macho, and ‘84 saw a half dozen ladies (including a monster FH player from ‘79 Guardsmen) join the brass for the first time.
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I remember thr first time we (the hornline) saw our snare soloist perform this and he pulled out what looked like chopsticks….
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1 hour ago, Vuitton said:
Really? What middle and high school kids do you know marching. I marched with a world champion corps and I doubt I'd make a top 12 corps today.
My kid did; he started at 13 and aged out in ‘21.
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Corps Director after the show:
”I just wanna thank everybody that the Franzia Box Wine drumline meshed so well with the Scrubbin’ Bubbles Color Guard and Old Spice Deodorant Hornline; it was a lot of work but the Cookie Cornucopia Dr Beat and Bob’s Plywood Emporium PA systems came together at the right time to put us over the top!”
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A friend of mine who started a drum corps in the 90’s that is still in existence (and whose mission is dedicated to being community-centric) and I have been texting back & forth this evening….his take is, “There will always be a drum corps whose leadership has their head up their financial ###.” A frank assessment.
That is two corps with 17 championships between them going inactive within two years.
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52 minutes ago, Bruckner8 said:
IThat leaves Brass….will the talent show up in the hornline? Every corps depends on veterans for continued success. SCV will probably have 90% rookies. That means they'll have to make up for it with older, and/or more-experienced-elsewhere members to pick up the slack. I'm not confident in that type of member choosing SCV right now.
Sounds reminiscent of when you & I got our brass start at SCV in ‘84; that worked out well.
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17 minutes ago, Slingerland said:
Maybe they discussed this, maybe they didn't, but taking baby steps with a west coast tour for just their B corps would probably be more palatable to the voting members than a full-on WC tour with the A corps. It would help reintroduce the brand to the home market and give the organization time to continue fixing the big picture issues that continue to dog them, and (if I put on my imaginary AG hat), make a strong case that the organization was fulfilling their charter to provide performance opportunities for young people rather than using Bingo as a cash machine for its own sake.
I would hope this is the direction they eventually go, because at present the VC website says, “With an average age of 17, Vanguard Cadets is the *primary training ground* for membership in our World Class ensemble,” which is utter bunk. It’s the primary training ground for people who go elsewhere for WC….and win.
SCVC & the A-corps have the same number of championships banners in the rehearsal room (7), which doesn’t sit well with a faction of alumni. That same faction then has to look at the championship scoreboard and see that BD is crushing SCV by two touchdowns; the sun will burn out before SCV ever catches up.
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Everyone should just put their trombones in storage, lock the doors and leave them there. Despite it being my primary instrument there was far too much “nasty t-bone” in 2023.
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I just wanted to touch on something SGhost discussed about 10 pages back; that being “denialism”.
A couple of months back on another SM platform a prospective marcher asked for feedback about which corps they should pursue and expressed particular concern about abuse. I kicked in my two bits from my and my son’s experience.
Not long thereafter I got a response from a Cadets alum that was full of snark, and mentioned their instructors by name. “MS would send you to the gym, and GZ would send you to the nearest bus station if you didn’t want to rehearse.” They added that “…if you couldn’t handle intense rehearsals maybe you were on the wrong team.”
[Cue SGhost’s feedback from her meeting: “We all had mean instructors.”]
My reply was that I’d marched for years but to my knowledge the instructors he named had never hit kids to motivate them like one of ours did. I also referenced our season so that the Cadets person realized it was a year in which our respective corps traded victories with one another.
Their reply was to massively backpedal when it became clear I’d marched with a top contender instead of somewhere else (so a top contender adds more credibility??), and to confirm their instructors hadn’t gone to such extremes.
In other news, I had no idea DV was serving in this capacity; he was one of my first instructors way back in the day.
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14 hours ago, Richard Lesher said:
5a) Vanguard has lost the institutional knowledge how to tour nationally with a full corps. That is simply out of the question. To try and do so now would result in a prematurely terminated tour and risk being able to get everyone back home. To my point, starting performing art programs in the realm of a Winter Guard or a Winter Percussion has the best chance of reasonable success, and it will bring in member dues that can be used to cover down paying the Bingo Staff legally.
5b) Seek out other smaller programs. Cheer comes to mind.
I could not agree with this more; in fact, I suggested something similar— starting small as a local community parade corps only, then working up—- in the “other” long thread on this very forum that discussed SCV’s challenges and contained responses from some of the same authors in this very thread. Result: I got 4 or 5 “Confused/WTF” emoji responses where the little Thanks trophies & hearts go.
I marched SCV and my last/age out year simply stunk; to this day I still hate that instructor who had no business at all being involved with teaching, and he was eventually run out of the activity. I thought that overall the culture would have changed by the time my son spent 2016-2018 (and earned two rings) there—- it hadn’t, and he told me so. That lack of cultural change falls on existing leadership; therefore, I also support the “everyone on this side of the veranda is fired” approach.
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Meanwhile, at the one theater in Hawaii… 😆
it was actually in Maui as well last year but not this year. 🫤
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— SA still in DCI
— Physical abuse still in DCI
— Mental & verbal abuse still in DCI.
Time to close it all down as the “adults” cannot behave themselves. Let the corps get back to their community roots, march parades, and establish local circuits.
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Looking Back - Zingali & the Tick System's Removal
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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Having been there SCV did not use dot books in 84/85; the mantra then was “guide to form”. SCV tied with GC for High Visual in ‘84 & won Visual outright in ‘85; from recaps it appears Field Visual was the key.