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Just now, Stu said:
But you said, "...nowadays - most of the student body is happy to support their friends in other activities. High School kids these days are a lot different than they were even 10-12 years ago." That sounds like the exact same support, or lack thereof, student bodies have provided for band performances since before I was born.
You took my quote out of context. I was referring to the student body supporting the Band at home football games. Very few ever travel to long distance events - be it football, basketball, band contest, cross country meets, etc.
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3 hours ago, HockeyDad said:
Your opinion. Mine is that your example is the exception.
It's not an opinion. I'm active in the field, it's a fact.
You'd be intelligent not to argue the facts of someone who is knowledgeable and out there on Friday nights (and in the hallways every day).
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6 hours ago, Stu said:
...their function on a Friday night at a football game on a football field at a football halftime is to support the football team not their own artistic musicsl endeavors...
Why? Why can't it be to showcase their REAL purpose - their continuance of their MUSIC education?
Can't it be different for different places?
And who are YOU to decide anyone's purpose? The world doesn't revolve around some 1970s Texas idea of football.
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6 hours ago, Stu said:
Really? Well let's see if they really are happy to support their fellow students in band. What percent of your student body attends a local band contest where you are representing them and your school?
Probably the same amount of the student body that attends a football game if it were an hour and a half away... very few, but a few.
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25 minutes ago, HockeyDad said:
Unfortunately most of the student body would rather hear pep band stuff than your typical navel gazing band competition stuff that seems to be required today.
I disagree, and argue that nowadays - most of the student body is happy to support their friends in other activities. High School kids these days are a lot different than they were even 10-12 years ago.
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23 hours ago, Stu said:
I am not assuming what halftime is designed to be; it is for the support of the school spirit and entertainment of the football crowd, not a contest show run-through stage for the band. And all I am asking is if the halftime performances of the bands here support the school spirit and football crowd as opposed to presenting the contest show of the band?
OK whoa whoa.
So you're saying Band students and their hard work exist solely for the entertainment of the football crowd?
I'd argue - staunchly so - against that notion.
In fact - my Athletic Director, and all of my school administration KNOW - that while I am a HIGHLY enthusiastic supporter of school spirit around the building... the Band's presence at halftime of a football game is 100% a dress rehearsal atmosphere for our competition show. We come over and play the Anthem pregame, then we play the school song after the coin toss and after each score. At the end of the first quarter, we leave to go do our competition warmup routine. We perform our show at halftime. Our student section and crowd - by and large - stay and watch the Band during halftime and cheer for our kids. More often than not, a large portion of the crowd leave after the Band performs - so many at times that the AD has gotten letters asking if he can somehow 'require' the crowd to stay and watch Q3 and Q4. And we have a decent (+.500ish) football team.
After halftime, we clear the field and my kids go back to the school and change out of uniform, after all, we have our REAL performance the next day and the kids don't need to be the last ones out of the school. If the kids want to go back to the game and sit in the student section, more power to them and I support that 100%. Oftentimes I will head back to the bleachers and sit and watch the rest of the game.
At basketball... the Band is ALWAYS present in full force - I make it a requirement for every student to be at games. We stay the whole game, and it is loud as hell in our gym. Teams HATE to come here because the Band is so into games. I love school spirit and I love my school.
I may be in a lucky situation, but at the same time, I have made it clear to everyone that my kids are given a Friday night showcase for THEIR hard work, talent, and dedication. They're going to go out and burn down their competition show. And we're going to be better at our real performance the next day because of it.
Why can't school spirit be... "Hey look, we have a freaking championship-calibur band!" At some places it is, and people are very proud of their competitive marching programs.
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16 hours ago, xandandl said:
Expose "their bags and personals"
To be honest, that's about enough talk of all of the exposure of all of your "bags and personals."
There are fines for things like that!
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1 hour ago, Amil Muzz said:
Yes and thanks for the kind words! I am beyond thrilled to be working with Chuck again. Especially with this Corps.
Congrats Jason!
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It's funny how they all want to be the first to announce their staff but the last to announce their show design.
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2 minutes ago, cixelsyd said:
Please. These are public events, attended by tens of thousands of people. It is not hard to estimate attendance visually to within 10% accuracy. If someone tries to exaggerate reported attendance by more than 10%, as in the WWE example, there are tens of thousands of witnesses that can call their bluff.
To my knowledge, no such dispute ever took place over the announced attendance figure for the 1981 DCI finals. Until this thread, the only related debate was over whether the number represented paid or total attendance. Even now, no one is specifically objecting - only casting general aspersions as if to preclude any acknowledgement of past successes by DCI.
I'll argue that all day. It's VERY EASY to look at a crowd in a given stadium and have wild variances on estimated attendance. I concur with Tim K - the newer stadiums look bigger but many times hold fewer bodies. It's all in how the sections are distributed, box seats vs. bench seats, etc.
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2 hours ago, cixelsyd said:
So because an entertainment medium based on fiction makes fictional attendance claims, therefore DCI must have as well?
It has nothing to do with whatever you're calling fictional entertainment (FYI, nearly all forms of entertainment are fictional entertainment, save for music and sports).
It has to do with proper reporting and oversight to things like your state's Board of Accounts. Recordkeeping has greatly improved in just the last few years. Whereas to find accurate records you used to have to sift through boxes of paper files, stubs, and whatever, now you open a spreadsheet and CTRL-F to locate something.
It's not rocket science to think that the accuracy of these things for whatever event is highly suspect the farther we go back in years.
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1 hour ago, BRASSO said:
No.. that person was assuredly NOT in the know, as the claim ( if I'm hearing this correctly ) that " there was no official cross- reference counting done as to the number of " paid attendence " is bogus to the core. I also " know " that Mary Pesceone would be rolling over in her grave right about now to read on this thread that DCI was not able to accurately determine PAID Attendance numbers at the DCI Finals in which SHE herself was involved in the calculations. People that are spreading this BS nonsense are shameful, and really don't know the DCI officials back then from a hole in the wall. If they do know these DCI officials from back then, then SHAME on them for claiming that DCI Officials back then were incapable, too incompetent, or too fraudulent or some combination thereof to be able to determine their PAID Attendance figures on their DCI Finals Nite, nor be able to determine butts in the seats at DCI Finals. Math was not invented post " 1997 ", and DCI officials didn't get smarter, wiser, more ethical once 1998 rolled around. Its pure BS, this stuff, and it does a REAL disservice to the quite competent, capable, and ethical DCI officials from back then, imo.. some of whom I knew rather well, and they me.
hearsay hearsay hearsay
blah blah blah
get off my lawn
this thread has probably run its course at this point.
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38 minutes ago, JAZZER said:
As a musician & teacher [like myself], you could learn something from viewing this performance. I know I did. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/gperf/vienna-philharmonic-summer-night-concert-2017full-episode/7081/
Wonderful concert. But like DCI, this kind of programming is few and far between, not to mention also available online - which goes back to the crux of my argument which is that PBS is irrelevant.
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4 hours ago, cixelsyd said:
Do you really think like... 900,000 people watched the video from beginning to end?
Not any more than I think 25,000 went to Finals and stayed beginning to end without going pee or getting a hot dog, but that has nothing to do with the argument.
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22 minutes ago, cixelsyd said:
If you are not watching PBS, how can you speak with such authority about the production quality or frequency of commercials there?
I jump in and out enough.
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And trust me, I am NOT underestimating. I'm just saying no one is watching. I'm not either. For every terrible-quality, commercially-interrupted Broadway show I can watch on PBS, I can watch 18 videos of different professional productions in 4K on YouTube or Netflix on my own schedule and my own device.
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10 hours ago, BRASSO said:
You place too much weight on the your apparent belief they have abandoned TV altogether.. lol!. They havn't. Their TV watching levels is down, but certainly not to levels that advertisers don't market to the young on TV. Besides, I already told you that if we asked the Top 12 Corps marchers if they wanted their Finals on TV or not, they almost all would respond " yes ". So this belief that you " older folks" have on this just shows how you allow your emotions to cloud what " the young " of DCI marching years are thinking regarding DCI Finals and TV. If you think that DCI Finals on TV would not be something they'd like to see return, then I really don't know what else to tell you other than you might be "too old" now to understand that " the young " of age eligible DCI today would prefer the DCI Finals to be on TV just as much as ever. If you don't think so, go out among them and ask them if they'd prefer the DCI Finals to be on national TV, or not on national TV. Thats it.. a simple question, and asked in that simple manner. Then come back and tell us what you learned as an " older alum/ fan" from that poll exercise with" the young " age eligible DCI marcher/ fan..... Their interest in DCI fInals being on a national TV network every year would be as strong as in any previous era, imo. If you ( or other" olders " on here) don't believe so, then times might have passed you by as to what the DCI young marchers/ fans of today ( and their young friends ) would prefer if given a choice... national TV network broadcast for Finals, or no national TV network broadcast for Finals.
This might be... but I would argue that NO ONE under the age of about 50 is ever tuning into PBS. NO ONE, ever. Period.
I am a musician and teacher, and I highly understand the value of some of their programming. But there has NEVER ONCE been a time when I watched PBS randomly. Only to watch the DCI broadcast and the State Marching Band Finals... which as stated before, now everyone can watch on YouTube with infinitely better video and sound quality immediately after the event anyways, instead of waiting for Thanksgiving.
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3 hours ago, BRASSO said:
Who is on " my lawn " with you ?.. lol. You'll never " understand me any better", anyway it appears from your total mischaracterization of my remarks.. so sure, " get off my lawn " you indolent young cooties bearing smacktalker you... lol!
I would wager that DCI has very little to no NEED to go back to PBS, let alone interest in it. Why broadcast to a supposed 300,000 when you can broadcast to millions on YouTube? Why dick around with PBS pledges when you have FloMarching? Why mess with licensing for ANOTHER broadcasting opportunity when you don't need to? Just so the very few who still watch PBS can relive their glory days?
Newsflash: Nothing... NOTHING new, hip, and appealing to a new audience is being broadcast on PBS anymore.
I wrote in another thread... on my way home from Finals the Sunday morning after, I watched on YouTube the Top 12 shows FROM FINALS. Didn't have to deal with PBS, didn't have to crank my antenna, didn't have to wait until Thanksgiving.
Why would anyone want to fool with PBS?
I'm not even a young'un anymore... and I see absolutely 0 value in PBS for DCI.
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Just now, BRASSO said:
MikeN... these 973,000 views in some cases are multiple viewings by the same person. For example, I've looked at lots iof youtube videos over the years, sometimes Drum Corps related, other times non Drum Corps related, as many as 6-12 times just myself. If PBS allowed the 300,000 live stream or one time delayed DCI Broadcast viewers to archive their DCI Broadcast for a year or longer, I'm pretty sure the 300,000 viewers would probably have the chance to exceed the 3 million mark on a posted video that could be accessed as often as one wanted, and for as long as one wanted. So this " 973, 000 " views really can't be compared to a one time Broadcast. If we were to do THAT comparison, then we could look at what the 24 hour views were... and even THAT would be imprecise, as some viewers STILL would watch it more than once... something they would never get with a love stream broadcast, that ends the moment the performances are over.
woof woof woof
It was always bigger and better back in the day...
more more more
more views more views more views
"Some guy told me 300,000 something or other..."
hearsay hearsay hearsay
Do you really think like... 100,000 people just watched the same video 9-10 times?
anecdotal anecdotal anecdotal
For God's sake, just come on here and shout "GET OFF MY LAWN" like a crazy old coot and we will all understand you better.
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Many of the Alumni corps I've been familiar with (including mine) allowed members to bring and perform on their own horns if they could perform on them.
SCV Alumni, for example, had people on everything - some 2-valve Gs, some 3-valve, and of course lots of Bb horns.
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32 minutes ago, Stu said:
In the video interview with Hopkins, he stated that the 2017 BD brass was performing in conjunction with recorded dubbed brass.
Is there not a "one touch, one note" rule in DCI?
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18 hours ago, Bobby L. Collins said:
Can we all agree on this at the very least? Can we all agree that when a corps' electronics and amplifcation malfunctions in the middle of a performance, that the G.E. scores SHOULD acknowledge and reflect that? Can we all agree that if A&E is going to be allowed, that it needs to be proportionately weighted into the scoring system?
Can we at last agree on SOMETHING? Or is this community bound and determined to be contrary for the sake of contrariness, despite all pretenses of rational thought and reason?
EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I emphatically maintain that A&E should be banned entirely from the activity. But if it's not going away and, more importantly, if it's going to continue to escalate, and to monopolize performances in the manner it does today, should it not be adjudicated and weighted into the scoring system accordingly?
I totally agree. It seems like electronics is a total high-reward/no-risk situation (i.e., "aww, so unfortunate that your mic cut out, but you get points for effort because I saw it at the show last week").
I 100% agree with you.
The first thing that needs to be banned is the micing of individuals and then presenting them into the overall mix during ensemble moments (the practice that many of us in the activity have watched go on and have colleagues do on many many occasions yet the populace of this board has no clue that happens and in fact vehemently denies happens regardless of their ignorance to the truth). I don't mind micing a flugelhorn solo (or a flute solo, or a clarinet solo), but when you mic the 2 best players in each section and mix them in, trying to fool the judges into thinking the sound of the ensemble is pristine, there are MAJOR integrity problems.
The problem is how to legislate that. But it needs to be done.-
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5 minutes ago, Bobby L. Collins said:
Well now I wouldn't say the entire site. Just the contrarians who are simply here to argue. They've got me figured out, because they know I won't put up with that. I get the tangible sense you've figured that out, as well.
I bring insight. All you bring is attacks aimed at me rather than said insight. It is my hope that the "entire site" can see that.
I have countered many of your arguments both logically and with direct knowledge of certain situations. You have yet to respond to one, except this one, to claim I have attacks aimed at you. Incorrect. I have attacks aimed at the vitriol with which you approach the activity. I don't know you.
What I say has nothing to do with whether or not "they know you won't put up with that," because it's the internet and no one cares what you will and won't put up with, including me.You can't defend a single argument you make, and when those of us who combat your troll responses with actual knowledge call you on it, you either fail to respond, respond with personal insults/taunts, or play the "nuh-uh" game like you did in the thread above.
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27 minutes ago, Bobby L. Collins said:
Again, I know what motivates human beings.
Apparently you know a lot of other things - like what consumers of the activity want, how ticket sales are reported, how much electronics are necessary, what motivates corps directors to do things, visual and dance instructors teaching jazz hands, why staff changes happen, and pretty much anything else you find you want to throw your $0.02 in on.
Either that or you're just another troll.
Pretty clear that the entire site has figured you out.
When did halftime get hijacked?
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Posted · Edited by Lead
No, it is FACT in my area, it is not an opinion. An opinion has no factual basis.
I respected some of you a lot more until tonight.