alumniof
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Do I really need to explain it to you? I'm not. It doesn't qualify. It's obvious why. Think about it. Get some coffee and work it like a puzzle. Let us know what you come up with. "Sorry Charlie"..
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You're in the sound business? Oh, well why didn't you say so before?!!?! That certainly makes your opinions even more factual. So sorry to have doubted your expertise.
It's okay. It's understanding that makes people like me tolerant of people like yourself. Name the movie (tah, tah, tah - no googling cheater).
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maybe you can answer the question then..he isnt.......not being confrontational just curious..............do you still go to shows? and if you do and feel the same...just asking why?.....I dont quite get it
What's the point of going to a show? If the food sucks (wait, it was really hard too cook), why would you show up to a show? Pay money for what - marching band? Acid tripping drill designers using kids to ego trip themselves? When all DCI is a big eff-you to itself and me? Nah. I'll leave it to you crazies. However, I will be going to Allentown this year to "roll tape" and show you exactly what's happening - however, you've already proven that you'll deny video and audio. At least there's funnel cakes there.
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Yeah, whatever you do, for the love of all things holy, don't show the crowd response to the reigning DCI champion -- the corps who, more than any other, typically sets the trends in the activity.
It was shown. The same response. Crowd sitting, spattered courtesy applause.
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Alumniof,
Here, please enjoy this 2013 Carolina Crown encore Performance. No need to study this one ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ8fn-wXCqY
Now, who is ignoring the videos...
An encore performance? Does not qualify.
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It's one person's vantage point in a crowd of thousands. But please continue with name calling and "fact" posting. You're right, drum corps is officially dead.
You definitely win the internet today.
Ugh - I'm in the sound business for a living. Sound travels - so there is no vantage point bone head. Also, people aren't standing up for anything. It's a cricket fest. Actually, they're not even making any noise. Trying to figure it out like the rest of the audience.
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The Blue Devils Clip shows me that Drum Corps has a wide range. And it may shock you to learn that many peopel actually enjoyed that show and it was their favorite. Just because it wasn't your favorite (and for the record it wasn't mine either) does not mean it is the END of drum corps or that drum corps has a problem connecting to an audience. What you need to know is that the DCI audience is more diverse than it EVER was.
That moment was a very powerful emotional sombre moment in the BALLAD that did not call for a raucous standing ovation. In fact, a loud raucous standing ovation there would have been wildly inappropriate. I'm glad that drum corps has evolved where screaming isn't the only emotion one can feel and apparently the increasing audiences at DCI's major events seem to agree with me.
Ignoring FACTS, eh?
How about this short clip from the same author that you happened to gloss over??
That's what you call a rousing applause? Really? BTW, notice they were standing still - just like the good 'ole days. Again, thanks for the support. I'm not half as emotional about this anymore because I thought you were more intelligent - you know basic human intelligence - but you've proved otherwise. Yeah, show me some more of the crowd going ape like the Spirit clip.
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DCI Finals 2013 Madison Scouts. 12:33
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8j8tIUnOhA
Emotional Connection? Look at all the ALUMNI in the AUDIENCE singing right along with the corps! (oops maybe I shouldn't have shown alumni in the audience enjoying a corps performance... sorry about that). That kind of emotional connection is hard to find in the past that's for sure. Followed by a rousing standing ovation. Study it, Study all the effects, emotions, and dynamics used in this finals performance. Loud was not the only effect used.
Man, you all are ignorant. Thanks for illustrating my point. They're singing that because of the past being brought into the present - which is the friggin' point bonehead!!! No past - no 12:33.
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Anybody have a list of the 2013-2014 corps tuition fees (membership dues, or what ever you call it) for open and world class corps?
Thanks.
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Well at least you're diversifying your evidence by posting clips from the same user.
And that's relevant, how? Someone else's cell phone shows people going nuts, clapping, screaming, standing up? It's an angle thing dip wad? Take a look at the two finals videos since irrelevant is relevant to you - different decade, different equipment, different user. Sure your name shouldn't be caddy instead of chaddy? Keep ignoring the content and the point and reality as if that makes it go away.
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DCI Finals. Exhibit B. Study it. 3:15 for the lazy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTOQNg3wQh0
I rest my case.
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DCI Finals. Exhibit A. Study it. Courtesy, disinterest, "whatever" written all over their faces.
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The only hard fact reality that matters is that attendance for all DCI's major shows and events has been increasing. So it's hard to imagine that "1/2" of the people hate the activity as much as you yet still are showing up in increasing numbers. Maybe you are the one in your own little world of doubt and hate.
Drum Corps is not responsible for budget cuts of the music programs.
Ignoring the clips, eh?
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And the crowd goes wild. Yeah, not really.
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How about that hometown favorite courtesy applause
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Please do.
Here is a clip found on a quick youtube search of Blue Devils. Thankfully, there is a "hit". Now, keep in mind - this is someone's cell phone video recording. Like your cell phone it picks up everything. Do you HEAR OR SEE ANYTHING dribbling into the phone. That would be a no. You just see the staff leaning against the fence. Mind you, there are well over 1,000 people watching this. I hear ants farting I think. There's your quick video of reality.
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Surf has been mentioned in this thread as an organization and with a comment that their fan base is only in the Northeast. Since I am from the Greater Boston area and I love Surf, I am one of the Northeast fans, but I think Surf has to be given its due. Surf has only been in WC since 2009 and they are only beginning to extend their touring. DVD's and recording are not kind to Surf, but seeing them live is an experience. So when different parts of the country get to see and know Surf, they'll love them.
Now as far as "Tradition" is concerned, off the field can be as important as instruments and styles of shows. I'm not sure if I love Surf because of their shows, which I've always enjoyed, even prior to Bridgemania and Soul Surfing, or the organization itself. Bob Jacobs and crew gathers what may be the most eclectic group of individuals and creates a family. Surf pays close attention to the drum corps experience and the importance of mentoring the younger members. Other corps also maintain strong drum corps tradition off the field, and in my opinion BAC does a great job at this but so too do the Cadets. I went to East Rutherford a few years back with a huge rain delay. Cadets alums were gathering, sharing stories, asking random strangers about their favorite shows and connecting the random stranger with members who marched that year. Maybe free flowing beer helped loosen tongues, but I got a clear sense of a connectedness and years of tradition. And while I wondered if I'd need strong medication and plenty of alcohol to get over seeing Facebook photos of trombones at a Madison Scout camp last weekend, Madison maintains a sense of tradition.
The drum corps fan in me would love to see a real traditional show, but as someone who has worked with young people as a teacher, youth minister, and priest for nearly thirty years, I love knowing that the great lessons learned in drum corps and that part of the tradition is still alive.
Also, regarding people not clapping at shows, attend shows from Pennsylvania eastward. We always clap, have great fun, know our stuff, have mixed audiences of young and old, moan and groan about the old days while being amazed at what happens on the field. Allentown, Bristol, RI, Jackson, NJ, Chester, PA and the BAC shows and Beanpot, all great shows and great times.We may be stuffed shirts one minute and rowdy and loud the next, but we remember it's fun.
I think Allentown qualifies for Pennsylvania?
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I learned (through experience) when you bring everyone bagels and donuts, you're loved. Let's see how you respond (this will be interesting).
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I like how you rightfully called it a band. DCI comes across like the guy dating a girl and waiting for the perfect time to say the L word (love not lesbian). It's like, just get to it already. DCI? Seriously. What are you waiting for? Just have a meeting and tear up the rule bible and say "come on woodwinds, animal sacrifices, porn" and have total freedom of expression. What are we waiting for?
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"Blank slate"... I'm sure.
And how insightful of you to know that I wasn't paying attention.... Thankfully, I can look at it and analyze it all I want on the Blu-ray. Yep, still cheering and standing! No sleeping...
You're seeing what you want to see and pawning it off as "reality". News flash. DCP isn't reality. Facebook isn't reality. The internet isn't reality. It's all made up of people who sign-up, log-in, post and "like" stuff for their own reasons. Reality is people at the shows. And those people, for the majority, enjoy what they're seeing. What bothers you is that you're not in that group anymore. And that's fine. I may not be in the group ten or twenty years down the road either. But other people will be.
That's how niche activities like drum corps survive. They change. The adapt. You obviously don't like it, as evidenced by your 200+ posts devoted to sharing your disdain. But please... continue to enthrall us with your acumen.
Yeah, we all know it's creative editing to show people NOT clapping. Yeah, that's the shot they'll show. I'm not seeing what I want to see. I showed up blank slate. Look, I paid over a grand to get there. I showed up looking to receive "default". I didn't get default. I got the blue screen of death (the twirling circle for all you Mac users). Facebook isn't reality? WTF? You are automatically disqualified. I'm pretty sure Facebook is reality. The millions of people and billions of dollars and the occassional murder, affairs, etc; pretty much says reality. Ask those people if Facebook is reality. I challenge ANY ONE OF YOU to stand in front of a show this year (don't pick Crown), and hit the video record key and face the audience. If you don't, I will. Want reality. Everything I'm saying will show up. As a matter of fact, I'm going to do this and talk to people in the stands and simply say, "what did you think" and see what comes out of their mouths. Young, old, people that look old or act like kids - a sample. I will bet your house that it will roll aligned with what I'm telling you. But, you need to use a little psychology too by the way. People on video will not say what they really think all of the time (if it's negative because that's human nature), and if you spend a lot of money or ANY INVESTMENT on something - you justify it because you don't want to be the loser wasting money. That's psychological realities of life, so there needs to be a buffer.). BTW, there's a difference between survive and thrive. We applaud survival. Really? Hey, he pays his bills. Comparing that to someone who doesn't, they're a winner. Compare them to Bill Gates, yeah, pretty much a loser. Even in your own world you call survival success. Again, it's not about me and what I don't like. Do you really need me to start sharing links. Take off your blinders. But, I'll gladly get in row 1, turn around and video the whole performance. Then you can analyze it. (Watching the blu-ray). That's hilarious.
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You're the absolute worst kind of troll.
That's compelling. Not to you - you just trolled. Also, calling someone a troll doesn't make them a troll. So you might want to put some virtual super glue on it and hope it's not the generic crap you didn't want to shell out the additional .50 for. I see you have a picture of Crown. Will it be Devils next year if they win. Why not some 100th place corps? Have to align yourself with a winner only, eh? Do you have any thoughts about the selfie post? Want to contribute something or just blow it up? Did you burn ants with a magnifying glass yesterday? Rub some brain cells together.
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Fine. I was at finals this past year. I saw people cheering, buying souvies, standing O's. I myself did those things.
I saw no one sleeping in the stands, though they were pretty packed, so I may have missed that one person who nodded off during Madison's entirely boring 75th anniversary show.
My conclusion? Drum corps will be just fine without you.
You didn't look for it and I really don't think you analyzed it. You weren't there paying attention to a future post on DCP. Be real. I showed up at Allentown with a blank slate.
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BTW, I posted this on another site and pretty much getting near 100% support of the idea. So, YOUR REALITY is perhaps not reality at all, but your closed little group reality - but like DCI - this closed lil group reality is NOT reflective of the public (defined as general audience). And the site the idea is on (Facebook) is where all the love is. I mean, let's look at Facebook. Why is it a hit with the adults and not so much the kids? Memories you bone heads. The kids have no memories of value because they are growing into their memories. They're all about the here and now (twitter, instagram) and the short and to the point (pintrest). YOU DO REALIZE as much as you attack me YOU ARE NOT THE ONES GETTING IT!? Intellectualize your way to reality. BTW, you know the definition of an intellectual? Someone educated beyond their ability to understand common sense. That's YOU! THE REALITY is half the butts in the stands are ALUMNI/MUSIC EDUCATORS OLDER THAN THE KIDS BY MORE THAN 10 YEARS. NOBODY, is acknowledging them. So, they do what all older people do - whine, ##### and complain and then pay money to see it so they can whine, ##### and complain some more. THE REALITY is 1/2 the butts in the seat thinks the product sucks, the intention sucks, the programming sucks, the mics suck, the transformation and change sucks, the direction sucks and the reasons are what everybody complains about - electronics, voice overs, yoga and ballet in shakos, Bb (they call it flat for a reason and I'm positive it mean it sucks - that's a joke), visual over music emphasis, broken visuals, no uniformity and you need to attend MIT's version of music education to understand or care or appreciate why eveything wants to be a circle (which is untrue). Don't you blind DCP types see that this is nothing more than kids being used so that A drill designer can solve his groin itch for doing something that's never been done before. People will watch Miley Cyrus not because she's musically talented. They watch her because she goes to where people are at in their life, and drags them willingly (this is planned) to her message and they connect to it. Is drum corps doing that? Hell to the no. Look at Super Bowl commercials. Millions are spent on connecting emotions so strong to the wing eating fat ### on the couch that they'll buy said product long after the Super Bowl is over. Drum Corps educators are NOT salesman or marketing people. CLEARLY!!! Some of you have such intellectual envy that you live that out and rewired your brain to some how believe that the crap on the field is of any value. Do you remember the Steve Martin bit where he uses all 10 fingers, toes and nose to play one note, then he shows the alternative fingering which is one finger. You all (filter yourself, you know who I'm talking about), would play the note the hard way and legitimize it. You're the type that uses 6th position instead of the rotor and give me a lecture why, you're the type that keeps the right hand down on an a on clarinet, you're the type that will always long title everything in a program to try and give more importance to something. You realize the general public thinks you're band geeks for a reason. And it's earned and deserved. I need some coffee. (Let me clear something up - my "hate" is really good ole NY arguing in the garage or over the Italian dining room. My offensiveness is with love - but you can't see it in my posts - and you're not suppsed to). One last point - the Hitler videos. Now, those are funny. They're creative. I get it. Why can't drum corps DO WHAT MUSIC IS SUPPOSED TO DO - connect. They're FAILING music, and education, and this is why MUSIC IS BEING LOST IN THE SCHOOLS. It's suicide. It is NOT the legislature. Do you know why band kids parents drop their kids off at a concert and don't come back - because they are so unentertained they don't want to even watch it or care to. Do you know why music evaluation festivals have empty auditoriums? Nobody cares. Keep doing what you're doing and attacking the public for common sense and then look at each other and say "gee, what happened". LISTEN? Isn't that part of music and education - you have 2 ears! LISTEN and pay attention to my content. It's valid. I represent what I hear and see and because I agree with it, I attach to it - but I'm simply saying the same thing others are saying. Bone heads. (see, a music insult).
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This seems to be a lot of "blah blah blah" mixed in between all the hashtags.
You do not find modern drum corps enjoyable. We get it.
Your significant other is lulled to sleep by them. We get it.
Your experience in Allentown is obviously indicative of everyone's reality. We get it.
You've seen the future of drum corps and it is non-existent. We get it.
You ache for days past where color guards literally just carried the colors and maybe did some drop spins while high-stepping....
... WE GET IT.
What I (and I'm guessing a few others on here) DON'T get, is your need to constantly share your misery on these forums. It is most certainly you're right and you're free to do so, but I honestly can't grasp what you're hoping to accomplish by creating topic after topic that all essentially boil down to your hatred of DCI.
But to answer your original post, no. I wouldn't go see your "tradition" corps. Stuff from the 70's and 80's kinda bores me. I respect and admire what they did. Musically, there is some good stuff happening. Visually, not so much. I prefer the whole package that today's corps offer.
You know what's funny - you all exemplify "if you don't agree with me, attack it". The difference between my attacking and you attacking is I explain myself and the opinions I have are based upon legitimate symptoms of what I see, hear and observe. If any of you losers who don't do anything more than attack me for (add your reason, but I know it's self hate looking for company) and not the content of where the opinion is formed - than your opinion is not worth the time to consider.
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A "Tradition Corps"? What do you think?
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I don't have time to post every video clip. The reality is I proved my point. Watch the video clip over and over and over again until you get it. Grab your girlfriend, wife, both, your dog, mother, granny, UPS Driver and say "hey, watch this clip. In your opinion, do you see people standing and cheering loudly with enthusiasm". When he looks at you like you're one dumb blind mothermucker, and says, "uh, no...sign here"...then maybe you'll get it? Probably not.