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Can't offer any empirical evidence to prove it, but I'd guess it helped recruiting. For someone on the fence about which corps, California might well have been the draw versus same old, same old. Certainly reports of strong vet retention and overall talent indicate the kids saw something positive in the Cadets story. California likely was one element.
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Jeff is right. The Marines have gotten better - much better - the past couple of years as they dropped the "old-fashioned" programming approach. Lots of folks in my section in Indy last summer remarked on the improvement.
Too many uncovered heads in drum corps in general. Marines. DCI. All of it. Corps in general look better covered. Doesn't mean there aren't uncovered effects that work. There just aren't many places/times where the bare heads are better than the covered ones.
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Cadets post on Facebook today talks about the high number of vets returning (more than half the brass, for instance) as well as design team all coming back. I think the quote is: Talent is great. Vibe is great.
Sounds good to me. Huh.
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16 hours ago, Terri Schehr said:
Almost two years here and I finally put someone on ignore.
To have suffered so in a thread as hostile as this... What courage.
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Have mercy!
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A mirror is seriously needed here after two pages of blather deriving from the alleged wordiness of show titles. Sheesh.
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20 hours ago, jjeffeory said:
Good question. Who knows? Seems like they weren't and aren't the only corps to do that...
I hear you. Brass lines not tackling difficult parts on the march is one of the DCI trends I lament the most. I get it that not every brass line can be Cadets 2015. Still, it's reached absurd proportions, and Cavies were among the biggest offenders last year. Here's hoping all the corps stop sandbagging on this one. Or if not, the judges punish them for taking it easy.
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On 3/13/2018 at 6:20 PM, jjeffeory said:
When I watched them play and heard more of the show, I wondered how they were going to pull off playing AND marching some of this music on the field at the same time. This brass book is just insane. Definitely one of the hardest books ever to come out of Rosemont that I can remember. Of course this is only at this time...
My question is: Will they play and march the tough music at the same time? Because in the past - last year in particular - they didn't.
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17 minutes ago, Narrow said:
You can nothings wrong with it, but I found the teaser pretty straight forward for what you expect from a teaser. Nothing really out there or weird, or mystical, or long-winded, or too vague for a teaser. Calling it new age seems really far reaching.
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This is tongue in cheek, right? As in a double meaning? Nothing mystical? Nothing vague? I'll grant it wasn't long. But you have to admit is was nothing if not "out there."
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Sorry - and I mean this in a non-confrontational way - but why can't I characterize the teaser as new age blather. That's what I thought when I saw it.
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1 hour ago, LabMaster said:
SOS is the international distress signal and has a linguistic origin. It is a French translations for "Help Me".
In the interest of historical and linguistic accuracy, I think you might have confused two distress calls. S.O.S. isn't a translation for "help me." Mayday is. It's an English-ized version of the French "m'aidez," which means "help me" in English where it's usually rendered "mayday." S.O.S. in French is S.O.S. - you just pronounce the letters a little differently.
As for the teaser, it feels like more new age blather to me. Here's hoping it's not.
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38 minutes ago, GUARDLING said:
How about the individual corps decides if someone is a member or not and not the public....lol.....Whatever a members status is Im sure was discussed by the member and the corps Admin. If something is (or not ) acceptable is totally up to that person.
I can agree that if someone pays, invests time, travels, there for everything, there should be no reason why they wouldn't be a member BUT certainly is not my call. If it were me I would not be part of something who didn't consider me a member if I put that much into it . It could also not mean much either way to a person. Their call
You might have to explain this me.
Of course, Madison decides what to call the young men and women on the field. Members. Guest Performers. Brothers. Madison picks the terms. Different matter whether we can, should or will discuss. It sounds as you're saying we should lay off. If so, why?
If I'm mistaken in my interpretation, then apologies. It's just that I think this is worthy of discussion on two levels at least. One is what might be a momentous shift in Madison's identity as an all-male corps ... a brotherhood ... pick your description. The second is the "member" term itself, which was denied a previous female despite her integral role in Carmen and is now being accorded anew. Without respect to whether Madison should only march men, I think the respect the "member" designation assigns to this young woman is deserving of our endorsement.
Madison makes the call. We do what we do on DCP: Discuss it till the tedium is too much.
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I was reading an item on SCV's site about encouraging consistency and coordination for brass in both the Vanguard and Vanguard Cadet corps. It included this line:
This effort to align the Vanguard brass programs under a common vision will help to achieve the goal of stronger retention between the two drum corps.
Got me wondering. Which corps does the best job of developing players in the B/Cadet corps for the premier corps. SCV? BD?
I have no idea. Do you?
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2 minutes ago, Tim K said:
... I recall this issue coming up in 2015 when Blue Devils has the young girl appear at the end of the show. There were questions as to whether a marching member was not used so she could be part of the show.
That was a "featured performer." She was member of the C corps, as I recall. She only marched finals week with the BD "A" corps for this specific effect/impact. I hope they gave her a championship ring. Question is whether it was sized to fit her now or forever.
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33 minutes ago, LabMaster said:
Maybe he feels you or anyone not ever being a Scout alum has any kind of a dog in the fight so to speak. Just participating in posting on DCP doesn't necessarily mean you need to comment ...
That attitude doesn't wash (I realize you're explaining, not advocating). And it's indicative of something that has all too often robbed this activity of a better future.
Passionate alums are one thing. Alums who think they have all the rights are another. It would be one thing were they invested in the future. It's another when it's the past that's the priority.
What Madison is doing is a drum corps topic of which Scouts alum are one point not the only point.
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1 hour ago, HockeyDad said:
Really? Relampago wasn't an indicator that something is seriously wrong? I think their problems run much deeper than whether they allow females as members. Like - what do they want their identity to be? WTF was last year? ...
I fear you won't believe, me, but I agree with you. Scouts have put some utterly embarrassing programs on the field this century. Last year might have been the worst. Worse than the awful Relampago, if you ask me.
At the same time, there has been this weirdness with women (admittedly more than a decade apart). You can't march a woman and say you're all male. Guest performer was a lie at best. This year they seem to have it right. She's in the show, she's in the corp: A member.
Different question whether that's right for Madison. Believe it or not, on that I don't have a view.
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8 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:
it's not my call or your call to make unless you marched Madison.
I don't understand. Surely you're not saying something as momentous as this is off limits for DCP? A girl in the Scouts and we're supposed to muzzle ourselves because it's only for 149 others marching with her to say? Not even the 150 who marched last year? Or the ones who will march next year? Or maybe even fans who care? You're going to have to explain this to me.
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14 hours ago, HockeyDad said:
And there it is. As predicted. Shall we shutter all the all-girls high schools while we're at it?
Not sure why I would have been quoted in this response. I was merely making the point that if the Scouts think of her as they do any other member, why not call her a member?
As for all-girls schools, if you have men as students, you have men as students.
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As long as some people thought Jim Crow was okay, it was okay? I don't agree.
Let me put it another way ... If Madison were calling this flugel a "guest perfomer" instead of "member" would that be okay? Not with me.
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1 hour ago, Jeff Ream said:
why just the girl in Carmen? she was in all year, paid dues. One offs arent always a bad thing
Are you playing dumb? In Carmen, Madison was explicit that she wasn't a member. You can call it "one off." I call it hypocrisy. She pays. She performs. She is a member. Now, a decade later, it appears Madison is doing the right thing. This flugel apparently will be a member. I applaud that.
As for those who want to characterize my motives in this thread, I said "applaud." That's as in expressing pleasure. Or as in endorsing. Those sorts of verbs are the ones to apply to me and my motives.
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1 hour ago, Ghost said:
Are you implying that a person who only marches with a corps for one season cannot be considered an alumni member? Not too many BD alumni around I guess.
I'm not implying anything. I'm just reporting history. Madison went to great lengths to make clear in 2005 that the woman who was central to their Carmen show WAS NOT a member. They used the circumlocution "featured performer" to describe her instead. With that as context, I'm merely asking could she now be a member of the brotherhood as an alumnae of the corp - particularly if this latest young woman is to be an actual member, future almuna and potential "brother."
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“In developing the 2018 production, we have dedicated ourselves to pushing the boundaries of the organization’s identity, while honing in on our long history of captivating the DCI community through performance,” said Program Coordinator Nick Monzi. “We see this role as an opportunity to improve the accessibility, intrigue, and entertainment value of the production, while opening the Scouts family to another outstanding musician and person.”
Quoted from the article with emphasis added.
Dedicated to pushing the boundaries of the Scouts identity. In my surprise at the use of the term "member" in the announcement, I missed that in my initial read. Sounds major.
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10 hours ago, Ghost said:
No, but they can become alumni.
Can they? Are the "featured performers" who weren't members in the past members of the brotherhood as alumnae?
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36 minutes ago, N.E. Brigand said:
If the Scouts do eventually go co-ed, should they retroactively grant membership status to the female featured performers of 1971 and 2005?
They should have been members in the first place. If you're in the show, you're part of the corps. The rest is just gender.
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2017 Programs: Direction to follow? Direction to abandon?
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Boston's pacing? I watched that video recently for the first time since the summer and was struck by how slow they seemed to move. In that respect, it's one of the things I'd most like to change across the board. Hoping for more simultaneous demand in drill and music.
Or maybe we're talking about two different things?